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CandyHunterz
Canada66 Posts
On April 20 2011 04:57 susiederkins wrote: Select your ovies, hit the drop hotkey and click on the overlord while it's moving rather than a spot on the ground. wow thanks a lot, never wouldve figured it out | ||
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ElPeque.fogata
Uruguay462 Posts
so you send the ovvies to the target location. then having nothing selected hold the drop key and start clicking on all the ovies? really? :| in bw you needed to have all the ovvies in a different control group, then send them all to the target location and then cycle within the groups with the assigned hotkeys while quickly clicking on the portraits (the one to the left so you dont have to move the mouse). i find it more confusing now :| | ||
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susiederkins
United States87 Posts
On April 20 2011 05:27 ElPeque.fogata wrote: could you make it a little clearer? so you send the ovvies to the target location. then having nothing selected hold the drop key and start clicking on all the ovies? really? :| in bw you needed to have all the ovvies in a different control group, then send them all to the target location and then cycle within the groups with the assigned hotkeys while quickly clicking on the portraits (the one to the left so you dont have to move the mouse). i find it more confusing now :| Select all your ovies with stuff in them, tell them to move somewhere in your opponents base (or just test it and tell them to move somewhere on open ground, doesnt matter). As they're moving, while still having them selected, click the drop hotkey (D is default). This will bring up the little cursor thing asking you where to drop, and instead of targetting the ground, you target a single overlord and click. He should drop on the move. You then target the next overlord and click, he should also drop. Etc etc. | ||
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ElPeque.fogata
Uruguay462 Posts
On April 20 2011 05:51 susiederkins wrote: Select all your ovies with stuff in them, tell them to move somewhere in your opponents base (or just test it and tell them to move somewhere on open ground, doesnt matter). As they're moving, while still having them selected, click the drop hotkey (D is default). This will bring up the little cursor thing asking you where to drop, and instead of targetting the ground, you target a single overlord and click. He should drop on the move. You then target the next overlord and click, he should also drop. Etc etc. but i should press shift and then the drop hotkey so i don't have to re-press the key again right?. nice. sounds good. i thought clicking on the overlord whould cause the other overlords to stack with the clicked one. i'll start a game vs easy cpu to test this when i get home  .thank you! | ||
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Morphs
Netherlands645 Posts
On April 20 2011 05:54 ElPeque.fogata wrote: but i should press shift and then the drop hotkey so i don't have to re-press the key again right? Actually, you can even keep the D pressed and then click all the overlords you want to unload. Also works with any other ability. | ||
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RibsNGibs
64 Posts
On April 20 2011 05:54 ElPeque.fogata wrote: but i should press shift and then the drop hotkey so i don't have to re-press the key again right?. I am not 100% sure, but the last time I tried it with shift, it failed miserably (I think it didn't drop anything because it was waiting for the overlords to get to their location first). Don't use shift. | ||
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susiederkins
United States87 Posts
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Ziggitz
United States340 Posts
On April 20 2011 06:19 RibsNGibs wrote: I am not 100% sure, but the last time I tried it with shift, it failed miserably (I think it didn't drop anything because it was waiting for the overlords to get to their location first). Don't use shift. It's very simple: 1.) Select all your overlords. 2.) Tell them to move somwhere. 3.) While they are moving and you have them selected, press 'D' and then click directly on the overlord you want to unload and it will drop while moving. To make multiple overlords do it in quick succession press 'D' and then hold down shift while clicking on all of them, don't hold shift while pressing 'D'. If you hold shift while both pressing 'D' and selecting the overlords, then what you described will happen. The difference is if you hold shift while pressing 'D' AND clicking on all the overlords, you are telling them to first finish traveling and then unload, basically queuing up the commands in succession rather than synchronized or one overriding another. If you press 'D' without holding shift you are just selecting the unload command, then holding shift and clicking just keeps the command loaded on the mouse cursor after you have given the order to a unit rather than reset it back to default. | ||
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xre
France9 Posts
Spanishiwa showcases excellent early queen/spine/ling defense. Outstanding ! | ||
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MagicToto
France19 Posts
On April 20 2011 16:20 xre wrote: CrunCher vs. Spanishiwa VOD by Pomf et Thud (famous french casters) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYthTe3Tt6w Spanishiwa showcases excellent early queen/spine/ling defense. Outstanding ! Xre, I don't if you notice but it is not a French forum and most of people don't speak french, this game has been commented in english as well : | ||
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Opera
France469 Posts
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phyK
Germany73 Posts
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madzumo
United States10 Posts
On April 21 2011 00:14 phyK wrote: I(diamond) just played witht his build on shattered temple close posis.I got pushed with 4 tanks and like 15 marines at 8:30 and just couldnt do anything? Usually I dont play zerg but what should I do? I only scouted one reactored rax and assumed a stimtimingpush so I got alot of spines. but they dont do so well against tanks ... By the 8:30 mark you should already have sufficient units to deal with 4 tanks & 15 marines. Roughly a pair of infestors & +1lings or +1ling/bling depending on the tech path chosen. That can easily handle the above. | ||
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InZil
Canada57 Posts
I read a lot of early posts worrying about the investment in spine crawlers. Essentially without gas you have so many minerals and are so ahead on drones it is a worthwhile investment. It keeps your larvae count high, it defends against a wider range of attacks, you have so much minerals it's not delaying anything, it seems to work well with the positioning that is laid out. (Queens at ramp, spine in range of ramp, spread out to avoid splash, etc). The lack of aggression is a bit hard to swallow, as people get more used to the build I believe you could get out a strong timing attack against some of the players who will mimic you but get less defense, effectively trying to pull ahead in the econ race. If they out-base you it should be easy to harass. The genius is that there is no way to out econ this build from early-midgame which is building in zergs favor for mid-late. The typical response is early aggression, which weakens your economy even further. Spanishiwa has come up with a realistic, resilient early defense that, without much decision making, holds almost all early pressure. I'm looking forward to see how the vZ matchups evolve, thanks so much for this golden nugget! | ||
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weaintmagical87
35 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
(got my answer for ZvT/however ZvP is unclear..) Since apparently if i understood it right then 16 drones on minerals and 6 on gas is what you want maximum on each base? If thats right i had insane luck with this build. Also youd make more lings and such zvz yeah? or use queens more to defend(maybe more than 4?) | ||
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Helluva
United States651 Posts
always so entertaining with his builds. -destroying the meta game ~~ | ||
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drcatellino
Canada346 Posts
Versus protoss, still not 100% comfortable with it. I can deal huge amounts of damage to the economy, do crazy harass, but I feel that at anytime protoss can just decide to come crush me. | ||
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RobotBodies
47 Posts
On April 20 2011 04:38 Morfildur wrote: You didn't read the followup of the build. Tech to lair, get drop tech and use it to drop his base => contain hurt him more than you. No I get that. It's gimmicky stat that only works some of the time. Drops can be effective if the conditions are just right, but they can also be a big waste of time, larva and money and overloads. Researching ovi speed and sacks takes time. Infestors have much of the same problem. FG and infested terrans work for harassment if everything goes right and the opponent doesn't see it coming. But you can't consistently win games that way. This is actually the exact complaint that most zerg pros have with the infestor and drop play as a viable tournament stratagy. Vs Protoss, if you have your army around the map harassing, they can just walk into your base and kill you. | ||
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shuckyducky
United States19 Posts
On April 21 2011 02:19 RobotBodies wrote: No I get that. It's gimmicky stat that only works some of the time. Drops can be effective if the conditions are just right, but they can also be a big waste of time, larva and money and overloads. Researching ovi speed and sacks takes time. Infestors have much of the same problem. FG and infested terrans work for harassment if everything goes right and the opponent doesn't see it coming. But you can't consistently win games that way. This is actually the exact complaint that most zerg pros have with the infestor and drop play as a viable tournament stratagy. Vs Protoss, if you have your army around the map harassing, they can just walk into your base and kill you. I think Spanishiwa's follow up is a little bit more varied than autoteching to drop play. The viability of drop play is dependent upon the matchup, scouting information, map, etc. On his stream, Spanishiwa often notes that drops won't be effective in certain situations. When he was on Day9, Spanishiwa pointed out that Zerg has a quite few means of harassment at its disposal and even a very good player will have difficulty shutting down all of them. By delaying gas and not committing to any particular tech, Spanishiwa's economy allows him to explode aggressively to whatever is exploitable from the overseer scouting information. Regarding your earlier comment regarding 4 gate contains - I don't find there's much to fear. If the four gate doesn't cause significant economic damage, how will Protoss keep up in production of of one base when Spanishiwa switches into agression? How will Protoss keep a sizable containment army and defend against sling runby's aiming to deny any expansion? | ||
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