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Griffith`
Profile Joined September 2010
714 Posts
March 27 2011 16:58 GMT
#61
On March 28 2011 01:50 abominable wrote:
LOL i see what you did there OP.


spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +
april fools gag, it doesnt work


This actually works. I just tested it.
griffith.583 (NA)
Prae
Profile Joined April 2010
Belgium77 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 17:01:27
March 27 2011 16:59 GMT
#62
and what about the roaches/hydras below the broods? all in all if almost every unit in the army consumes pdd's energy you have a very limited uptime
Griffith`
Profile Joined September 2010
714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-27 17:01:23
March 27 2011 17:01 GMT
#63
On March 28 2011 01:59 Prae wrote:
and what about the roaches/hydras below the broods? all in all if every unit in the army consumes pdd's energy you have a very limited uptime


Roaches don't use up PDD's energy, and hydras are just a joke in TvZ
griffith.583 (NA)
XXXSmOke
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1333 Posts
March 27 2011 17:03 GMT
#64
On March 28 2011 01:59 Prae wrote:
and what about the roaches/hydras below the broods? all in all if almost every unit in the army consumes pdd's energy you have a very limited uptime


Im pretty sure that roach/hydra is the least of any Terrans worrys, that is the easiest army composition to counter from Z. Tanks destroy both units quickly, and effciently.
Emperor? Boxer disapproves. He's building bunkers at your mom's house even as you're reading this.
XXXSmOke
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1333 Posts
March 27 2011 17:04 GMT
#65
I have decided that this thread + Griffiths hellion thor vs BL trick should have a child. You guys should add links to each others thread in the op as they are both new ideas at combating BL's.
Emperor? Boxer disapproves. He's building bunkers at your mom's house even as you're reading this.
abominable
Profile Joined March 2011
101 Posts
March 27 2011 17:06 GMT
#66
it's buggy.

PDD shoots broodlings fired at units but not broodlings fired at buildings.
Reqq
Profile Joined January 2011
43 Posts
March 27 2011 17:08 GMT
#67
Great find. I feel like ravens are pretty underused as is, despite their ability to deny creep.

That said, I can't imagine it being intentional. Stopping the broodling but not the direct damage portion of a blords attack just seems like broodlings are unintentionally being classified as an "enemy missile."

We'll see if Bliz is happy with the mechanics next patch I guess, way to spoil it
HeroMystic
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1217 Posts
March 27 2011 17:08 GMT
#68
What the fuck...

This is like.. so simple, yet hardly used.

How did anyone (myself included) not know this?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
March 27 2011 17:11 GMT
#69
On March 28 2011 02:06 abominable wrote:
it's buggy.

PDD shoots broodlings fired at units but not broodlings fired at buildings.

hmm, you're right. also noticed broodlords only fire 1 broodling at a time after the first volley.
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Sv1
Profile Joined June 2010
United States204 Posts
March 27 2011 17:12 GMT
#70
Wow that's a good find, ravens are a good tvz late game unit but you have to get a few of them and you have to keep them alive (+1 ship armor though a hefty investment, isn't too bad for what it will do)

Vs Mutas, I think unless you have a ton of energy stored up and a few ravens, I think seeker missle is the best use of energy vs those buggers, it forces them to keep moving, as good as pdd is, it will almost be used up instantly, even if it did just block 90 damage, it's also stationary, if a zerg player decides to disengage, you are kind of out of luck.

Vs Corrupters, not really sure why zerg would have them unless you flashed a fusion core or a battlecruiser, they kind of fire too slow and have kind of poor range if they're going to be going to take out medivacs, I thnk zerg's best bet is to save them to be morphed to BLs.

vs Brood Lords, similar to mutas, seeker missle still does pretty good, If you have enough ravens to drop a PDD I think by all means you should, but if it's a choice between a PDD and a seeker missile I might opt for the missile.

Really good find though.
STALLONEZONE
Profile Joined December 2010
Ireland115 Posts
March 27 2011 17:13 GMT
#71
I've never understood why Ts don't build Ravens. PDD is some irritating shit.
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KiaL.Kiwi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany210 Posts
March 27 2011 17:20 GMT
#72
If you want to go casters ZvT Lategame go Ghosts, not Ravens. They are not only extremly good vs Broodlords because Snipe, but at the same time able to handle Muta-switches, Ultra-switches and Infestor-play a lot better then Ravens.

Especially since Broodlords are always accompanied by Infestor/Corruptor to defend them against Vikings, both of which are easily able to Snipe Ravens and eat up PDD charges as well.

Nice find, but imho really not the way to go when you can just use Ghosts and be much better of
abominable
Profile Joined March 2011
101 Posts
March 27 2011 17:24 GMT
#73
i think the big point to note about this is not that ravens actually own broodlords, but that ravens are pretty useful before broodlords.... so you can blindly make ravens and not suffer a whole lot.

- auto-turret to kill workers
- detection for burrow & creep tumour
- PDD to stop queen, hydra, corrupter, broodlord and muta


seeker missile is a bit crap alone, but if you have a good number of raven's for multiple volleys it can be devastating.
SecretA5DC
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)225 Posts
March 27 2011 17:24 GMT
#74
This is a great find because Ravens will also help detect Infestors which seem to be the central ZvT build these days.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
March 27 2011 17:25 GMT
#75
On March 28 2011 02:20 KiaL.Kiwi wrote:
If you want to go casters ZvT Lategame go Ghosts, not Ravens. They are not only extremly good vs Broodlords because Snipe, but at the same time able to handle Muta-switches, Ultra-switches and Infestor-play a lot better then Ravens.

Especially since Broodlords are always accompanied by Infestor/Corruptor to defend them against Vikings, both of which are easily able to Snipe Ravens and eat up PDD charges as well.

Nice find, but imho really not the way to go when you can just use Ghosts and be much better of

i think both have their merits. ravens seem much better for holding map control, like just sitting at a pivotal area and hunkering down with PDDs and possibly flying around harassing with turrets. ghosts are better at head on attacks and emping infestors. the thing about ghosts is that they also take barracks time so if you want a decent number of them quickly you have to sacrifice marine production, whereas with ravens you sacrifice medivac production and most armies dont benefit from being medivac heavy anyway.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Aron Times
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States312 Posts
March 27 2011 17:30 GMT
#76
Random player here, which means that anything good for any race is good for me. Thank you for the information, kind sir. This is what I like about the TL forums. You learn something new everyday.
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SecretA5DC
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)225 Posts
March 27 2011 17:32 GMT
#77
I'm not sure what's the best way to add this though.

Should I be having a Reactor Port and a Tech Port late game? or do I hotswitch...
Sterling
Profile Joined December 2009
United States182 Posts
March 27 2011 17:32 GMT
#78
hunter seeker missile also rapes broodlords
SecretA5DC
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)225 Posts
March 27 2011 17:33 GMT
#79
On March 28 2011 02:32 Sterling wrote:
hunter seeker missile also rapes broodlords


ya but you can only get like 1 off and it's prob best used for 2x pdd
ki11z0ne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States427 Posts
March 27 2011 17:39 GMT
#80
wow good shit for the raven very nice would love to see this in a show-match game or something and ever 1 starts flipping out haha
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