PvZ Trouble - Zerg 2 base ling + Baneling drops!. - Page 5

On March 16 2011 09:16 Tyrant0 wrote:
The second I see the bling nest, I start teching to HT's, cboost straight to +3. +3 archons/zealots with storm tear this apart. I add on gates afterwards up to six. Until storm is done, I use mostly sentry/stalker and rely on perfect forcefields/blink micro, but then transition into pure zealot/HT.

I've stopped this -almost- every time, mostly low-mid master league zergs. It really comes down to pristine forcefields. Scouting is a non-issue unless he drops.

On March 15 2011 21:04 PaPoolee wrote:

Voidrays will NOT work against this type of attack, the zerg himself said that he would have killed me if i got to the point where i am outside his base, i did move out to the watch tower and i stayed there for a good 2 minutes or so! the way you posted in your previous post made you look like nothing more than an idiot! Going higher tech against this build won't work unless you knew it was coming before the game started! if you have a Europe account i'll be glad to observe some games of you playing against it! the attack comes too early for you to put down a Stargate after you scout it AND get 2 Voidrays out!.

You said i should have proper FF's to stop my natural from dying while the voids take care of my main, had you seen the replay you would have seen that he had TWO overlords dropping my main and like 7 dropping in my natural! forcefields do not block the path of air units, in case you didn't know Mr. 3700 masters .

On March 16 2011 05:33 KillerPlague wrote:
so i watched the replay and basically your problem can be dumbed down to 1a. i could point out how you scouted only lings and banelings so you would want either air, or faster colossus but your army was equipped to deal with his attack. your probe dodging is very poor. your army is grouped to 1 hotkey and is balled up which is perfect for banelings. if you simply spread your forces the banelings dont get multiple hits off, you counter and win. you can see after the attack he had vitually no roaches up leaving him vulnerable to attack. next time you see banelings ff and spread everything.

3500 masters if it means anything

edit: sigh for everyone saying you have the wrong unit composition. he could have made the colossus faster since there was absolutely no threat of air, but other than that his units were fine. the whole problem is dumbed down the the fact that amandil overmade on banelings. the protoss clumped everything together and lost his army. if his army were spread the few lings left over would easily be cleaned up and the zerg would instantly lose to a counter attack. ive played amandil a few times so if he tries this on me ill be sure to post the replay of how to not clump and show you how bad banelings are vs stalker, colossus.

On March 16 2011 10:45 Validity wrote:


Oh I'm playing against people much higher than 3700 due to mmr but thanks.

You're saying that it comes way before voidrays but the speed of the attack was completely dependant on your lack of agression and letting him get to 41 drones (read: 2 drones on every mineral patch, 6 on gas + some to spare) before he had to do anything. The attack hit at 11 minutes. That's really easy to a couple immortals/VR's off a 3 gate expand.

Oh and you had 6 sentries 2 cannons and 1 zealot at 10 minutes. I wonder why an attack killed you. You didn't have pylons around your base either. I thought that was basic for a super pro 3600 masters who can decide that everyone else who posts are "bronze league professionals." He could have ling roach dropped you and had the exact same effect (his timing was off too as a roach ling drop can hit at 10 minutes, provided he gets to drone for free at start).

Also yes, FF's would have kept your nat safe because your obs saw the lings running in (didn't react till your stalker shot them though), which would have let you FF all of the out/prep units/spread since you see overlords + baneling nest). Maybe not using 1 control group for all your army would help too (yes, you have like each individual unit on a diff hotkey but really, you just used 5 to select all of them), ie stalkers on 1 and zealot sentry on 2.

Btw 8 minute scout of bling nest > drop stargate lets you get 2 voidrays out fine for an 11 minute attack. And getting a stargate following an expand is great regardless in pvz because VRs can be mixed into any army composition/make pre hydra aggression painful for z and being able to mix in phoenix if he suicides by going muta is great too.

Your thread really seems like "oh hey i let a terran a rax no gas fe to a gold and then he did a 7 rax stim shield +1 timing attack and it destroyed me, what can i do against this imba strat," and when people tell you not to let him fe to the gold off 1 rax no gas you call them incompetant.

oh hey lookie being aggressive = both hitting 45 workers at a similar time! No, he didn't go blings but if he did then it would have been with a much lower economy/later.

I tried doing this, but then the zerg switched to mass roaches ( and had a ton of spine crawlers to prevent attacks.) It's incredibly frustrating.

On March 17 2011 10:59 Chocobo wrote:
3000 masters zerg, and hoooooly crap is that strong. I'm doing this all the time now.

How is protoss supposed to stop that? Seems like they have to severely delay teching and mass up zealot/stalker and keep on the lookout for overlords flying into the main.

Unless I'm mistaken, 9-10 minute zerg drops against protoss are going to be a gamechanger. Can't wait to see this used in tournaments.

On March 17 2011 11:55 SaroVati wrote:
Alright, instead of TELLING you, I decided to just show you. Here's a link to a game I JUST played.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/150948-1v1-protoss-zerg-xelnaga-caverns

Baneling dropped, ling pushed, ling's + blings dropped at my natural. I was in the open, and thought of the most obscure thing ever. Forcefield your own army. Guess what happened. His first baneling bust just crumbled.

This replay shows just about everything. If you engage this drop in the open without FF's over your army, my huge army got massacred by banelings. However if you engage with semi-decent micro and some FF's his banelings are useless. And once you get a few VR's out and 2-3 colo's, banelings just lose period.

Gl hf, an awful game to be honest (first of the day) but hey no excuses!