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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25558 Posts
October 29 2011 11:09 GMT
#8761
On October 29 2011 09:56 Dr.MOoO wrote:
this seemed the most appropriate place to ask, i've searched but haven't found a definitive answer.
Since the change in barracks build time is it better to cut SCV production for those 5 seconds to get your orbital out, or is it better to build one more scv and consequently delay your orbital ?


A lot of people opt for the OC at 15 scvs for the earlier mule, but I've seen some math that says long run you'll be ahead by like 40 minerals if you go for a 16-scv orbital.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Sufr1r
Profile Joined February 2010
Spain78 Posts
October 29 2011 12:53 GMT
#8762
Can you still cast feedback by clicking on the minimap?
Dota 2 ||| CLG Na`Vi Mouz mTw Zenith. Too much good teams to support!
envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
October 29 2011 15:17 GMT
#8763
On October 29 2011 13:28 Chinesewonder wrote:
Not really a strat question but why does ladder make you play like 10+ games of the same race in a row? It's kinda annoying when you want to practice against a certain race, also it gets kind of tiring playing 10+ zvz

It may be the case that the maps you have veto'd are also veto'd by a lot of other zergs, causing you to run into other zerg players more frequently because there is a smaller map pool to choose from. (smaller sandbox, more collisions). Other than that there is no bias when selecting your opponent.
Check out this thread for more info:
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"Good works do not make a good man, but a good man does good works" -Martin Luther ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Drowzee
Profile Joined June 2011
40 Posts
October 29 2011 15:24 GMT
#8764
i have been struggling in pvp with 4gate

is it still viable to do a 4gate rush in pvp/pvt/pvz?
if yes: should i prefer taking two geysers or one?

Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8233 Posts
October 29 2011 15:26 GMT
#8765
On October 29 2011 21:53 Sufr1r wrote:
Can you still cast feedback by clicking on the minimap?


Yes. I wont recommend it thought. I have personally had mixed results doing it in an actual battle, and theres a good chance you might spend the feedback on medivacs instead of the crucial ghosts. No pros do this either, I'm going to assume they reached the same conclusion.
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 15:34:24
October 29 2011 15:31 GMT
#8766
On October 30 2011 00:24 Drowzee wrote:
i have been struggling in pvp with 4gate

is it still viable to do a 4gate rush in pvp/pvt/pvz?
if yes: should i prefer taking two geysers or one?



PvZ: Yes. You can either make stalkers and zealots, and kite your way to victory. or you can place down a second geyser and make mostly sentries and zealots, and spam forcefields.

PvP: Yes. Only take one of your gasses, and attack with zealots and mostly stalkers.

PvT: Extremely situational. If he doesn't scout it and go 1rax expo, then it will work. If he walls off his front, you'll have a 100% fail rate trying to break through.

Should be noted that every single player in diamond and above knows about the 4gate timing very well, and have most likely focused their builds around preparing for it. Thus its not really viable any more. It can still work in some situations and/or on some maps (Tal'darim for instance is a 4gate fest map in PvP. There is no way the opponent can hold it without that ramp)
Zoomacroom
Profile Joined September 2011
36 Posts
October 29 2011 15:37 GMT
#8767
On October 29 2011 10:55 Dr.MOoO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 10:18 Zoomacroom wrote:
If I'm responding to a 1-gate or 3-gate expand against Protoss with a roach-ling attack, at about what time should I be hitting the front of their base, and with how many roaches/lings? How many drones should I make before moving into unit production?

It depends, are you trying to bust his front and cause significant damage, or threaten him to secure a faster 3rd base?
If it's still a solid strategy, busting the front is ideal, even if that means I'm all-in. I know P was struggling with that for a long time. I'd be open to pressure > expand if that's the sounder strategy, though.
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
October 29 2011 15:52 GMT
#8768
On October 29 2011 21:53 Sufr1r wrote:
Can you still cast feedback by clicking on the minimap?


Yes. In general, you can cast any targeted ability via the minimap.
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
October 29 2011 17:29 GMT
#8769
how many vikins should i build if i play against a P who makes 2 colo and then switches into ht tech?
i used to build like 10 but i feel its too much becuase then i snipe his colo but get killed by his chargelots.
ToastieNL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands845 Posts
October 29 2011 17:57 GMT
#8770
So, we've all seen Day9 Daily 365, in which he talks about IMMVPs 2 fact reactor hellion into 2 fac tank 2 reactorrax marine style.
I'm looking for similar builds for tvp and tvt. Liquipedia seems outdated. Who could help me ?
Ty!
Zerg lategame is imbalanced as shit. Also: "Protoss is really strong recently. Perhaps, it's time for there to be some changes for Terran." -MMA. Even MMA asks for buffs. Srsly Blizzard. Srsly.
SovietHammer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States166 Posts
October 29 2011 20:20 GMT
#8771
I'll looking for a replay of a korean pro doing the 1-1-1 with patch 1.4, anyone have a link to one?
All the replay sights seem to only have really old reps...
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
October 29 2011 20:52 GMT
#8772
Quick question - does anyone know of this specific PvP build:

12 gate, 15 pylon, 16 core, 5 chronos on WG, scout after core, put down 2 extra gate, put down 2 pylons in first 2 bases for 4p map, or in front of ramp for last base scouted.

I've been trying to look it up to see exactly how the timings work because I've been doing it on ladder(high diamond) and it's working well, but I'm floating a lot of money, so I want to find a way to sneak in a 4th gate or something(speed up WG?) to make it smoother.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
October 29 2011 23:15 GMT
#8773
super stupid question, but i havent played in ages and now it says 5 outstanding placement matches - is this normal for season 4 or have they removed my mmr because i havent played a single game in season 3?
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
MysteryHours
Profile Joined September 2010
United States168 Posts
October 29 2011 23:47 GMT
#8774
On October 30 2011 08:15 Black Gun wrote:
super stupid question, but i havent played in ages and now it says 5 outstanding placement matches - is this normal for season 4 or have they removed my mmr because i havent played a single game in season 3?

If you skip a season your standing is completely reset
Promethium
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia32 Posts
October 29 2011 23:56 GMT
#8775
However your MMR is never reset, ever. Seems like they just reset your placement matches to 5 instead of 1 to better gauge where to place you.
That which does not kill you has made a tactical error.
Mvrio
Profile Joined July 2011
689 Posts
October 30 2011 03:01 GMT
#8776
is there a difference in points lost or MMR points lost depending on how you lose? like quit instantly will get -12 points for example or normal quitting a game once you given up gets you -10 or when it says you no longer have any forces and quit because you have no buildings/forced to you know?

can you check what your MMR also?
On October 03 2011 Jinsho wrote: Everyone is just a speck of fly dirt on the wall compared to Greg playing at his best :D
SovietHammer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States166 Posts
October 30 2011 06:41 GMT
#8777
On October 30 2011 12:01 Mvrio wrote:
is there a difference in points lost or MMR points lost depending on how you lose? like quit instantly will get -12 points for example or normal quitting a game once you given up gets you -10 or when it says you no longer have any forces and quit because you have no buildings/forced to you know?

can you check what your MMR also?


No, to both questions. MMR is based only off wins/losses and who you beat/lose too. It only relates to their mmr, which you also can't see. You can guess the general level of your mmr by judging the general level of people your being matched against.
Migge
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland1 Post
October 30 2011 11:15 GMT
#8778
How I can beat blueflame hellion, marine, marauder, tank combo as zerg? its little bit early push so I cant have broods that fast. I have been lost to this combo many times.
Vandroy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden155 Posts
October 30 2011 12:05 GMT
#8779
On October 30 2011 20:15 Migge wrote:
How I can beat blueflame hellion, marine, marauder, tank combo as zerg? its little bit early push so I cant have broods that fast. I have been lost to this combo many times.


Muta/zergling/baneling is your best bet against this combo becasue investing in marauders and helion will diminish his marine count by a bit. You will be able to keep your opponent in his base longer and also pick off tanks and such easier.

The other thing is the army engage, the only good thing marauders do is soaking damage and killiing buildings so as long you move command your banelings to the marines I think this composition shouldn't be a problem.

It was a pretty general explantion but your situation was pretty general too.
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
October 30 2011 15:44 GMT
#8780
I was going to answer a question before posting my own, but it seems that you all already jumped on that. D:

My question is pretty simple:

Which maps, if any, in the current map pool, have close positions blocked?

I think I know that Metalopolis and Shakuras do, but is there anything else?
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