ZvT on Steppes - Drone rush - Page 2

On January 04 2011 23:01 danielsan wrote:
never happened to me but i'd:

cancel barracks

flee with all workers out of base, in the open field

put workers on queue

micro rally point and each scv created out of base to eventually meet the rest

repeat 3 times, as you'll have the minerals from racks.

A-move with all workers


as i always scout at 9 or 10, and wall vs zerg i'm feel fairly safe. when seeing hordes of drones incoming i'd pull 6 workers to block remaining 2 slot entrance, put 3 on hold, 3 on repair and work from there.

On January 04 2011 05:16 Saracen wrote:
T can just wall off to stall until he gets the worker advantage.

On January 05 2011 00:36 ReachTheSky wrote:
If the terran decides to wall in at the bottom of the ramp, your totally screwed.

On January 04 2011 23:01 danielsan wrote:
never happened to me but i'd:

cancel barracks

flee with all workers out of base, in the open field

put workers on queue

micro rally point and each scv created out of base to eventually meet the rest

repeat 3 times, as you'll have the minerals from racks.

A-move with all workers


as i always scout at 9 or 10, and wall vs zerg i'm feel fairly safe. when seeing hordes of drones incoming i'd pull 6 workers to block remaining 2 slot entrance, put 3 on hold, 3 on repair and work from there.

Now, that would probably cripple the rush. Do you know if the lower-ramp walling will change in the next patch? It's becoming so two pylons can't wall, does the same extend for SD/RAX?

On January 05 2011 00:54 fdsdfg wrote:


If I saw this happening, I'd know you're not mining, and I'd stay by your CC to kill all the scv's coming out.

I'm at work now, but I'll be on later today if any Terran player wants to test this out with me.



I believe an SD/Rax can still wall. However, someone pointed out that you could get a huge surround on the Rax with drones. I'm not sure how long it would take to kill it, but Terran could probably squeeze out an extra SCV in that time.

However, lower-ramp walling is generally really stupid against Zerg. Roaches are range 4 and Barracks are size 3, so even range 6 Marauders can't reach them if they start attacking the rax. Additionally, Lings get a much better surround on the buildings, and ranged units are forced into a choke to defend. I don't generally see T players walling the bottom of their ramp because it switches the roles - now Z gets the concave that it wants and T gets the choke.

On January 05 2011 01:24 Kwanny wrote:
I am 2600 Terran and I did face that twice, once in a tournament against 3200 Zerg, and once in a random custom game. After I lost against that in the tournament, I did some analysis.

I usually cancel everything that's building, split my workers into 3 groups basically. some need to mine, a couple run away out of the base, and some engange/distract the drones. Let him hit you once in a while, so that he thinks, he is doing damage. Or let him attack your command center, either way, just keep him somehow away from the choke.
The goal is to get 200 + a couple of tens of minerals, and build 2 additional supply depots at the choke. If you did that right, you have basically all drones contained inside your own base. Lift your command center to your natural, start mining with those that fled, take 3 and put them on the choke and let them repair the supply depots. He is not able to break though that even with 12 drones, as you can repair faster.

By that time, it's over as the Zerg has nothing left. What the Zerg then can do is to kill his own drones to free up supply and start building drones at his main with the residual minerals. But who does that?

On January 05 2011 01:45 coko wrote:
Or. Lift off with 5 scv's, run the others away from the drones, go to either of the two rock protected expansions, and instantly start a barracks and continue to get your scv count up again.

And with those remaining scv's, keep the drones so busy they can't go back and mine. He won't have a chance in hell of taking down the rocks in time. He'll either GG, or be so far behind when you attack you will win.

On January 05 2011 01:40 fdsdfg wrote:


That's really really clever! But I'm surprised that once the CC lifts off, the drones can't do enough damage to the supply depots before it lands and you start mining again. He has probably a full minute from when it lifts off to when you'd start getting minerals to repair again, and there's 3 supply depots to attack.

Also, what if he forsees this, kills enough SCVs early on that he can sneak out a single drone before you put the supply depots down, and block your CC from landing? You'd be forced to go to the island expo, and that certainly won't be enough time to get repair money.

On January 05 2011 02:01 Kwanny wrote:


when you have 3 supply depots up, the outer ones can be attacked by 5 drones. he has max 5+2 more drohnes. you need two scv to outrepair 5 drones. So in the worst case, you would need around 3 to 4 scvs to repair, but usually 3 because scv's can change the location to repair. By the time you lift off, the wall is already done, and you could still have a max of 5 scv's inside, to keep on distracting him, and you can load them up into the cc, while it is flying. If he has a drone at your nat, you just kill it with the fleeing 4/5 scv's.
The command center needs 40 game seconds to move to your nat, that is not that long. You should have around 200 minerals if you cancel everything, so that you are actually gathering minerals to repair. I posted this because I managed to pull it off.


This is another way of playing, but haven't tried it yet Not sure if it works either. gather 200 minerals, complete the wall, take all scv's you can get, and just go f*cking kill his hatch, as day9 would say.

On January 05 2011 02:18 SilverPotato wrote:
I've defended by sending an early scout out and if I see it I pull 3 extra scvs and attack from behind with my scout, usually I can scare off the 4 harassing drones sometimes killing 1 and losing no SCVs.