EPTAlso do you have good tips on how
How to do a good FG? It's kind of hard on muta cuz they run away so fast.
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Andre112
Canada52 Posts
Also do you have good tips on how How to do a good FG? It's kind of hard on muta cuz they run away so fast. | ||
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
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daywiss
United States83 Posts
it does not feel strong against protoss unfortuately(unless they let you mass ultras), but againts zerg and terran, it can work well. im still working the kinks out of the build, mainly for team play, but i think this style of play has potential. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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noggster
Sweden37 Posts
Also I've noticed you sit around with a ton of minerals even tho you're only at 110-120 food (with larva to spend), since it will be the gas restricting you from making more ultras later wouldn't it be better to keep making lings/drones. Love your style of play, it's alway so fun seeing people ragequit cause they're contained and starved for resources. BTW will you be streaming anything today? | ||
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SpaceYeti
United States723 Posts
Now, my bigger problem has been holding 4-gates and/or subsequent colossi/stalker/zealot attacks. NP is a joke, or at least in my hands. I'm thinking of trying a roach/bling/corruptor build against protoss, using the fast lair strat. Does anyone have thoughts on this? | ||
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Andre112
Canada52 Posts
On September 17 2010 02:01 PrinceXizor wrote: to the people having trouble with early bio pushes, did you scout he was early bio pushing you? if you did, did you run your infestor outside of yoru base and fungal him in transit and attack? you know when he is the most spread out? or did you wait for him to ball up at your base? in addition did you scout him moving out with a ling spotter? did you notice you wouldn't be able to hold based on the info you recieved from your overseer? and did you make spine crawlers once you saw he was going to push soon. Yes, I scouted 3 rax. No. My infestor wasn't pop until he's in my nat. I FG him when he was in a ball so I could get all of them in one FG. Was I wrong? I only had 1 infestor at the time I saw him move out with a ling spotter. I thought I could have a few more infestors before he got to me but I was wrong. No spinecrawlers. Would you make baneling nest ahead if you were in this situation? or just speedlings? | ||
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Hammurabio
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FG has two components, the damage over time and the immobilization. If you FG him while he is in your base, he can still shoot stuff. Better is to FG away from your base. He takes the full damage without being able to shoot anything. The video shows a neat trick to get the marines to ball up, by sending out a couple of lings. | ||
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noggster
Sweden37 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 17 2010 02:41 noggster wrote: Hey Xizor was watching your replay-pack ZvTs and notice you pretty much always teched hive around 12minutes, but you couldn't really afford any ultras untill the 15-16minute mark. Don't you think it would be better to perhaps throw down a second Evo sooner instead and delay the Hive tech untill 14minutes or so (gives you time for ultra den and the armor upgrade)? Also I've noticed you sit around with a ton of minerals even tho you're only at 110-120 food (with larva to spend), since it will be the gas restricting you from making more ultras later wouldn't it be better to keep making lings/drones. Love your style of play, it's alway so fun seeing people ragequit cause they're contained and starved for resources. BTW will you be streaming anything today? Yeah i've been working on my macro. it would be better to make ling or drones i agree :D that was just bad play by me. i get hive early for adrenal glands even if i can't get ultras right away, sometimes i squeeze out an ultra or two earlier just to block. it's more of that it is there if i need it. Yeah contain + drain is a very fun way of playing and it's pretty much what i do every game. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 17 2010 03:14 Andre112 wrote: Yes, I scouted 3 rax. No. My infestor wasn't pop until he's in my nat. I FG him when he was in a ball so I could get all of them in one FG. Was I wrong? I only had 1 infestor at the time I saw him move out with a ling spotter. I thought I could have a few more infestors before he got to me but I was wrong. No spinecrawlers. Would you make baneling nest ahead if you were in this situation? or just speedlings? Well speedings and a spine (as he moved out) along with an evo blocker. (an evo chamber put near your spine crawler to be a target and restrict movement inward.) can hold it off. if it's one of those all marine pushes (which you should be able to scout with your overseer) then you can just stall until fungal hits then run away sac the spine + evo in order to attack with lings after the fungal ends. i can get the lair up around 4:03, lair takes 80 seconds so thats 5:23, and infestor comes out 130 seconds after that, so 7:33 is when your infestor can be there at the earliest, the latest you want it out is 8:03 vs any sort of early push. you delay it vs reapers mostly. or if you make a mistake. | ||
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Splinter
United States188 Posts
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Morik
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On September 13 2010 08:42 PrinceXizor wrote: 1. This thread is awesome. 2. The 2gate reference above is not a part of my ZvT build. it was a random question i got. i'm not the best vs Protoss (worst matchup by far), and so i'm still experimenting i do a different openning vs protoss. and for fungal growthing + NP templar it's very hard to do, and i don't bother to pull it off against micro-players. it works vs the macro style protoss that just want alot of stuff and don't micro as well. and it's good as a surprise with burrow but thats it. 3. I scout on 9 specifically for reaper or banshee timing. also i get an overseer (if i'm playing well) as soon as my lair finishes to keep scouting throughout the game. Hi Prince, What specifically do you look for? I lack the information necessary to make good decisions... if I scout on 9 and see gas, does that always (well, unless they are being wacky) mean reapers/banshee? Or is it early double gas (how early?) for banshees, early single gas means reapers? I'm woefully ignorant about T build orders (I'm more familiar with toss, but not great...) Thanks! | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 17 2010 06:25 Morik wrote: Hi Prince, What specifically do you look for? I lack the information necessary to make good decisions... if I scout on 9 and see gas, does that always (well, unless they are being wacky) mean reapers/banshee? Or is it early double gas (how early?) for banshees, early single gas means reapers? I'm woefully ignorant about T build orders (I'm more familiar with toss, but not great...) Thanks! when you scout on 9 you can tell reapers by gas earlier than normal, and banshees by a second gas earlier than normal. the best way to get a hang of it is watch replays of when it happens vs you until you see the trend on gas timings gas timing is one of the 2 only useful reasons for a 9 scout, the 2nd is slight harrass of the construction | ||
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Andre112
Canada52 Posts
So your ZvT build is 9 scout 9 OL 14 hatch 14 pool 13 gas 16 Queen at nat, Lair at main as soon as 100 Gas 18 OL, 2 pairs of lings to 20/20 Correct? When should I start 2nd Gas? as soon as I start Lair? I saw you sometimes start late sometimes early without particular reason (or so it seemed) | ||
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Splinter
United States188 Posts
On September 17 2010 21:39 PrinceXizor wrote: when you scout on 9 you can tell reapers by gas earlier than normal, and banshees by a second gas earlier than normal. the best way to get a hang of it is watch replays of when it happens vs you until you see the trend on gas timings gas timing is one of the 2 only useful reasons for a 9 scout, the 2nd is slight harrass of the construction One thing that helped me identify opponent builds was to write down the common ones for each race and use each one myself a few times in custom games and team games. I think it really helps not only with recognizing the builds, but also with understanding the capabilities and weaknesses of the builds. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 18 2010 02:18 Andre112 wrote: PX, So your ZvT build is 9 scout 9 OL 14 hatch 14 pool 13 gas 16 Queen at nat, Lair at main as soon as 100 Gas 18 OL, 2 pairs of lings to 20/20 Correct? When should I start 2nd Gas? as soon as I start Lair? I saw you sometimes start late sometimes early without particular reason (or so it seemed) i get the 2nd OL while pool is being made (recently). around 16 as well, and the 2nd gas i'm playing with the timing a bit (which is why you see me start it at seemingly random times) i'm just playing around with when i can get stuff and when i can't. i'm liking at about 25% lair currently. | ||
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flanksteak
Canada246 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On September 18 2010 05:23 flanksteak wrote: Hey, watched your stream, really awesome, great decision making. I think it's a travesty my ranking is even close to yours, lol. Once your mechanics get better you're going to be absolutely amazing. Thanks!. also there is another replay pack available (9 more replays) at the link provided in the OP | ||
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Cider
United States198 Posts
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