EPTPhoenixes are support units not air fighters.
A Comprehensive Look at the Phoenix - Page 6
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MythicalMage
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Phoenixes are support units not air fighters. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
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shammythefox
United Kingdom286 Posts
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FortuneSyn
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
Phoenix is overall a good AtA unit like the corsair or devourer, but can also use it's special ability. Many people thought phoenix was horrible when the game came out, but they didn't realize how fast the unit shoots (fastest air aside form BC/carrier/VR), and that it has quite a bit of health/shields. I thought it was hilarious when people were saying that phoenixes would loose when phoenixes outnumbered mutas 1.5:1, because it's really a 1:1.8 ratio in favor of the phoenix. I personally think phoenix is pretty balanced. Maybe it should cost 25 less minerals, but I don't think that would change much. I think infestor and corruptor are much more troublesome units right now. | ||
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
I think the overseer and corruptor need small buffs. If the corruptor did something like +6 extra damage to massive, or +2 damage overall, it would be quiet a bit more useful. It would also be a lot more useful if it had a better ability, like ensnare from Broodwar. | ||
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Calamity
Canada161 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:15 Percutio wrote: Infestors have their own uses, and personally I think they are pretty strong. I think the overseer and corruptor need small buffs. If the corruptor did something like +6 extra damage to massive, or +2 damage overall, it would be quiet a bit more useful. It would also be a lot more useful if it had a better ability, like ensnare from Broodwar. I think overseer is fine but give back the corruptor it's contaminate spell. It's just so uni purposed as it's basically anti-air and a brood lord unit. | ||
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
Contaminate seems fine on Overseers, as they are a little fast and it would help them be minor harass and scouting tools. I just think that ensnare would help Corruptors a lot, because it would help the Zerg army overall, especially with any Broodlords later on. Back on topic, I think the Pheonix has two major strengths that allow it to be useful. 1. It can do a lot of painful harassment, and usually it will lose nothing during the harass because of its speed. 2. Pheonixes can neutralize important units like Siege Tanks, Ghosts, Immortals, Queens, ect. because of graviton beam. This makes the Pheonix an awesome midgame unit. | ||
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Tazza
Korea (South)1678 Posts
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Calamity
Canada161 Posts
On July 04 2010 09:46 Percutio wrote: I think the overseer should be able to produce infested terrans that don't die after a small time limit. It would at least make the overseer a little less crappy than a Raven. Contaminate seems fine on Overseers, as they are a little fast and it would help them be minor harass and scouting tools. I just think that ensnare would help Corruptors a lot, because it would help the Zerg army overall, especially with any Broodlords later on. Back on topic, I think the Pheonix has two major strengths that allow it to be useful. 1. It can do a lot of painful harassment, and usually it will lose nothing during the harass because of its speed. 2. Pheonixes can neutralize important units like Siege Tanks, Ghosts, Immortals, Queens, ect. because of graviton beam. This makes the Pheonix an awesome midgame unit. Infested Terran needs to do more, so I agree with you on that. I don't think that Corruptors need ensnare. They already have fungal growth with infestors with traps and damages units. If they made corruptors with ensnare, it'll be corruptors + brood lords domination. Brood lords are slow so that units can run away from them. Infestors are sometimes used in combo with Brood lords to trap and murder them, but atleast infestors are weak. Give corruptors the ability to slow units and it will stream roll any ground army. | ||
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farseer_dk
Canada71 Posts
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NinjaDrone
United States97 Posts
I do find it really frustrating that the Phoenix has no way to attack buildings but I also realize that is not their role. A Phoenix can't literally win you the game but it can pretty much make the win a guarantee. | ||
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Kerrdezzy
United States50 Posts
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TDC
United States197 Posts
phoenixes are useful in meching terran, which IMO counters any ground army of protoss. especially in a 200-200 fight, pure ground army of protoss is not a match for a hellion/tank/thor/raven force. i think phoenixes are fine right now. | ||
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NeWnAr
Singapore231 Posts
Corrupters are far better than people think. Sure they do bonus dmg against massive, but they are very decent against normal units. By no means are they a useless unit that can only counter massive. Why is their special attack horrible? Apart from the unoriginality, there is nothing wrong with it whatsoever. They accelerate enemy death and they are cheap for their effect. Compared to the graviton beam, it lasts longer and it actually make the enemy die faster. | ||
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scvrush-
United States31 Posts
Here is a couple videos I uploaded on Phoenixes, I have been practicing how to commentate SC2 games, any suggestions are welcome. Phoenix harassment and http://theuen.com/strategies/protoss/lift-harass-workers I have a website with my friend at www.theuen.com you can also see videos and strategies there. | ||
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bobcat
United States488 Posts
Vikings, They beat vikings too. It isn't cost efficient but then again vikings cant lockdown colossuses for 10 seconds or shoot while moving. | ||
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bobcat
United States488 Posts
On July 04 2010 08:01 Xapti wrote: Corruptors are crappy cause they only deal with massive units, and their special attack is absolutely horrible (unstrategic, unoriginal, too simple to use) compared to the phoenix's or any unit for that fact - except the infestor and overseer who are also horrible ATM. Phoenix is overall a good AtA unit like the corsair or devourer, but can also use it's special ability. Many people thought phoenix was horrible when the game came out, but they didn't realize how fast the unit shoots (fastest air aside form BC/carrier/VR), and that it has quite a bit of health/shields. I thought it was hilarious when people were saying that phoenixes would loose when phoenixes outnumbered mutas 1.5:1, because it's really a 1:1.8 ratio in favor of the phoenix. I personally think phoenix is pretty balanced. Maybe it should cost 25 less minerals, but I don't think that would change much. I think infestor and corruptor are much more troublesome units right now. Terrans didn't think tanks were good when the game first came out. You think corruptors and infestors crappy and horrible. Everyone is entitled to be wrong. Phoenixes are a must have for any PvZ game where the Z gets his third base. They deny the muta harass and they can anihilate drone line as fast as you g click. | ||
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Rokit5
236 Posts
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bobcat
United States488 Posts
On July 04 2010 15:24 Kerrdezzy wrote: I view the Phoenix as more of a harass/support unit rather than a straight up AtA fighter. If youre using phoenix's to combat other air then I suggest you start trying out other strategies. Unless it's mutas, then they rock it hard. | ||
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