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CrudeClown
Germany8 Posts
Thanks. On July 11 2010 17:39 icezar wrote: I find that with the new patch, slings are not so good anymore. P just kills me so fast with FF. I think there is something wrong with FF. And here I thought Zealots were the ones being nerved. Longer built time, slower attack-rate. What else has changed with the patch to make you come to this conclusion? | ||
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icezar
Germany240 Posts
On July 11 2010 19:09 CrudeClown wrote: Very nice guide Sheth! Thanks. And here I thought Zealots were the ones being nerved. Longer built time, slower attack-rate. What else has changed with the patch to make you come to this conclusion? I just told you, FF! now they are bigger and they trap the lings inside If he does a push with 6Z and 3S no amount of lings will be able to hold it if he knows how to use those FF. Since phase2 is back i have played 36games with 8 losses all against Protos. | ||
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CrudeClown
Germany8 Posts
Have a look at PsyStarcrafts latest video at around 8:40. It all comes down to positioning. Granted, this has nothing to to with Sheth's Build/Guide, and he is using roaches. Should be even easier with speed lings which you should have a ton of if he is pressuring (using Sheth's Guide) and you see those coming. | ||
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ZergSecs
Sweden10 Posts
He gets a nice amount of Stalkers, Zealots and Immortals which deals nicely against Muta, ling, roach combo and honestly that's the only thing I can think of. And to do an early aggression is kind of hard, cause they tend to turtle pretty hard with cannons... So, what the heck should I to do to beat it or make it harder for them? They pretty much walks in and destroy everything. Yes, I suck. Low/Mid Silver. Anyone got any ideas? :-) | ||
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Luperts
Sweden28 Posts
 Looking forward to reading your guides on ZvT or ZvZ if you plan to make them. Would also be intresting to read some more late- and mid-game tips. | ||
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aLt)nirvana
Singapore848 Posts
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Chex
United States87 Posts
In general this is the tactic I use versus Protoss. My mid game I transition to a few Hydras (no more than about 6 to 7) and roaches and then finally into Ultras after taking a third and getting upgrades. In response to some of the comments about Roach builds I'll just post some of my observations. I've been experimenting with Roaches versus speedlings versus Toss and I'm much more comfortable with early speedlings for a few reasons. First, I'm not crazy about roaches without the speed upgrade. Sure they shut down zealots, but with 1 stalker things change very quickly off of creep. Second I find that getting roaches early precludes you getting an FE. I would much rather invest in Spine Crawlers over roaches and use my lings to just barely defend and then surge forward. I've been modeling my playstyle off of Artosis' ZvP in one of Day9's recent dailies and I've found that ZvP has become one of my most solid match ups. Finally, on my reasoning for getting Ultras vs Brood Lords: I just don't have a good enough APM to effectively micro air - especially mutalisks. I also think Ultras transition much better upgrade wise and generally wreck typical Protoss armies (think heavy gateway collossi). This is especially true if I'm showing Hydra's in the mid game. If he goes immortals its a pretty simple thing to just pump more hydras. Anyway a really great guide, that takes into account a lot of the considerations of Zerg openers. | ||
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bbulzibar
United States80 Posts
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Escape
Canada306 Posts
I need all the help I can get to move out of bronze! sigh.... | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
Just a quick question: I know you said you may be working on a ZvT or ZvZ guide in the future, but do you mind just posting your basic build order for these matchups? Just wondering what you very generally like to do versus the other races Thanks again! | ||
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Antimage
Canada1293 Posts
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RawrAnOcean
United States359 Posts
Looking forward to more guides. | ||
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FC.Strike
United States621 Posts
I've already posted in this thread, but thanks again Sheth for all of your hard work. You da man | ||
Liquid`Sheth
United States2095 Posts
Ok time to answer all the questions I've missed so far! CrudeClown: Glad you liked my guide, right now zealots havn't gotten nerfed :D Icezar: Yea FF's are quiet tough to deal with now.. however getting speedlings and spinecrawlers you can eventually surround if they attack you! ZergSecs: Against that combination you can do plenty of things! The one I recomend in my ZvP guide is simply to make MANY MANY zerglings with spinecrawlers in your natural! Try it out while teching to hydras. Let me know how it works ^^ Luperts: Thanks :D Nirvana: Ok I'll puit one in the OP whenever I can! Chex: Thanks for reading the guide, and ultralisk roach is a very strong combinatoin. Never get too sucked into always doing one build order tho! bbulzibar: Awesome! Glad you tried it out and liked it. Its by no means a guide saying only do that, but thats a very solid build that I don't see that many zerg's using. Escape: ZvT guide up! Go check it out :D Subversion: Thanks for reading my interview. I try and keep a GM attitude, sometimes it falls threw when we don't have beta! Either way I posted my ZvT basic build orders up. My ZvZ changes rapidly... 14 hatch 13 pool, 13 pool 13 gas.. or other build orders for that one. Antimage: Sure dood! Galneryus: Thanks, yea making enough drones is tricky, but its definetly very solid and gives you plenty of chances to rebound. FC.Strike: Ah thanks. I appreciate it! Time to bump it nback to the first page ! ^^ | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
I'm also not sure why you say to make hydralisks vs biomech. In my experience people who make hydralisks are worse off then people who make pure roach. Have you done extensive testing on this (keep in mind good players will target your hydras with tanks once the banelings are dead.) Also, how do you upgrade your units vs biomech or mech to prepare for lategame. What upgrades take precedent? | ||
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bontez
United States165 Posts
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
Its very important to continue scouting here. Send those 2-4 drones to go run up your opponents ramp and to run back. I think you meant "lings." | ||
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raybasto
United States151 Posts
What to you do against Terran BioMech (Rine/Rauder/Tank/Medivac)? I've been trying to go Ling/Baneling/Muta or Ling/Baneling/Roach but I feel like I cant get my Banelings close enough to kill the Rines. Adding to this, what unit mix do you get late game? I've been trying to do Artosis' Corruptor/Broodlord but the Broodlords get tore up by Vikings and my Corruptors get killed by Marines/Thor. Thanks in advance | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
I have two questions for ZvT mid-game. You covered what to do against factory w/reactor, factory w/tech lab, factory w/starport (no addon), and starport w/techlab. But there's 2 situations you didn't cover that I'm interested in: 1. Terran FE. Some terran will respond to zerg FE with FE of their own. What is your mid-game response and goals against terran FE? 2. 2+ barracks. So you scout your opponent's wallin, and you see a 2nd barracks building, or possibly you scout a bit late and you see 2 barracks, with a 3rd barracks building. Now what? Also, some terrans will wallin and make 2 marines, and then hide their tech somewhere in their base that you can't see from the top of the ramp. They could be going mass hellions, igniter hellions, banshees, vikings, thordrop, marine/tank, mech, mass marauders, mass marines, anything. Do you have a catch-all safe build that you use when you are unable to scout? Or do you always sac an overlord if your zerglings don't scout anything useful at the ramp? | ||
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shutdown_exploded
United States133 Posts
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