EPT[G] ZvP Sheth's Guide - Page 7
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Alou
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
Ultras are not in time for a protoss midgame push from what I've seen. They are however probably your best choice if you can live long enough to get them out. Does anyone have a build that gets a reasonable number of ultras out on time without staying on 2 base? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On July 03 2010 10:13 FaZe wrote: With all due respect - if this is Sheth's thread, I think that people should be asking him questions about his builds - not posting theirs. There's so much misinformation out there, it's tough enough for a player who's just starting out to find a good thread without it being poisoned by people's "Never get lings or use spawn larvae and always wall off with Evo chambers" builds. If someone is posting their ideas (Especially in another person's thread), it's much more productive to be blunt than have Bronze and Silver players doing some wonky BO because they don't know any better. With all due respect that isn't how forums work. If the post is topical IE he is arguing for refined methods/preferences etc etc.. then it is fine. It isn't like someone makes a thread and we are only allowed to ask questions about it or say "cool" or "bad" ?? | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
it's a bad trend with sc2 players. Everyone and their mother is diamond rank so somehow everyone thinks they are more right or something. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
On July 03 2010 03:57 3clipse wrote: What are your thoughts on roach openings? I find that most P's don't expect them post-patch and I can win a lot of games with roach all-ins. If I scout adequate defense I can use my roaches to deny scouting, maintain the threat of an all-in and power as with a standard build. In my opinion, it won't matter if a protoss doesn't expect them if he can still scout them and figure it out later (or just be prepared even if unexpected). Roaches are just at a major disadvantage in this game in many (more standard) situations. A great situation to use roaches though, is when protoss is fast expanding, and it's on a map with a backdoor - incineration zone, kulas ravine, blistering sands (especially), scrap station, or possibly even desert oasis although I doubt they'd FE on that map. You can go 1 base roach with burrow - try to keep it as secret as possible of course though. Using roaches to deny scouting is a bad idea, due to the fact that they aren't fast (unless they are on both creep and have speed upgrade). You'd have to keep roaches outside their choke, which is an invite to stalkers owning them, or even sentrys blocking them from escaping, and killing with zealots and/or immortal. If you use lings you will keep them in the dark as to what you're getting, as well as keeping your troops pretty safe. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 04 2010 05:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote: also that was a minor point I was making. Catz was being a e-thug and claiming some kind of superiority through sheth's ITL titles lol and why that meant he was more right. it's a bad trend with sc2 players. Everyone and their mother is diamond rank so somehow everyone thinks they are more right or something. Yeah I also said the same thing I don't think it was right in any way of how Catz responded in any way. Hopefully next time he doesn't do it like that  . Sheth do you plan on writing a zvt guide soon? | ||
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FaZe
Canada472 Posts
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groms
Canada1017 Posts
About the guide I hope sheth can find the time to add some stuff about ZvZ and ZvT which I find to be my toughest matchups. Thx | ||
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skYfiVe
United States382 Posts
On July 04 2010 05:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote: also that was a minor point I was making. Catz was being a e-thug and claiming some kind of superiority through sheth's ITL titles lol and why that meant he was more right. it's a bad trend with sc2 players. Everyone and their mother is diamond rank so somehow everyone thinks they are more right or something. It's pretty sad an older member is stooping down to the level of all the new members that just flood threads with useless chatter. You said yourself many times that it is a forum, and everyone has there own opinions, yet you rant on at other people for their opinions. You don't contribute to threads at all, and no one cares more about your opinion than that of anyone else. Every time you talk, you try to make it sound like you are on this pedestal talking down to all the noobs of the world. For being such an old member of TL, I would expect some respect or maturity, but I guess you can just flood threads with useless comments, clearly stated in the TL rules that you should PM the person if you have a problem with them, in this case being CatZ. And yes, I did not PM this, because I think it is important other people, especially admins realize that people, especially older members like yourself need to mature up and follow the rules as well. | ||
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everytimee
United States122 Posts
no one talk crap about my man blades either or elseee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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skYfiVe
United States382 Posts
On July 04 2010 15:25 everytimee wrote: i cant believe people talk so much crap on here especially since some of these people see eachother in real life. Using vulgar language and threats on the internet is lame and so is telling someone there opinion is horrible on a game that is still in beta. no one talk crap about my man blades either or elseee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's pretty sad man, there's no doubt. I just wish there was more of an effort from the admins, but it seems that the important aspects are just ignored, and they have more fun banning people who use "troll" than helping the site out. | ||
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FaZe
Canada472 Posts
On July 04 2010 15:36 skYfiVe wrote: It's pretty sad man, there's no doubt. I just wish there was more of an effort from the admins, but it seems that the important aspects are just ignored, and they have more fun banning people who use "troll" than helping the site out. Oh yeah, you'd know all about that - having been around since April 2010. | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On July 04 2010 16:25 FaZe wrote: Oh yeah, you'd know all about that - having been around since April 2010. FaZe please stop waving your credentials arround elitism is never fun | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On July 04 2010 05:51 {88}iNcontroL wrote: also that was a minor point I was making. Catz was being a e-thug and claiming some kind of superiority through sheth's ITL titles lol and why that meant he was more right. it's a bad trend with sc2 players. Everyone and their mother is diamond rank so somehow everyone thinks they are more right or something. It's amazing to me, that the same person who would openly accuse me and my ally of "listening to your stream" after losing 4-1 to us, with a ton of viewers watching, is willing to come here and try to teach me how I should behave. See the difference between you being an "e-thug" and me being an "e-thug" is I know when I do wrong and apologize. For this amongst many other reasons (that I have always chosen to ignore to keep a nice professional relationship) it is really hard for me to take any sort of advice from you. I really hope you understand this. Despite all this I made an effort and explained my reasoning, more than once, for the sake of good will... But you continue to poke at the same issue, why, I don't understand. but if it will make you stop posting, here you go again: Flop I am sorry (AGAIN), I thought that you posting a guide on top of a guide was disrespectful and replied without thinking carefully enough (AGAIN). I was frustrated, elitism is not a good thing and for this I apologize (AGAIN). So, (again) next time you have a problem with one of my posts or any other thing, PLEASE, PM me, or talk to a Mod so that they can do their job and fix whatever issue they consider pertinent. | ||
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
On July 04 2010 15:25 everytimee wrote: i cant believe people talk so much crap on here especially since some of these people see eachother in real life. Using vulgar language and threats on the internet is lame and so is telling someone there opinion is horrible on a game that is still in beta. no one talk crap about my man blades either or elseee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No one messes with my everytime or blade! | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4514 Posts
might check out the guide later | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
The thing that stunned me most about this thread was finding out Sheth was Chosen. Oh my god. Was wondering where that Zerg prodigy went. I missed you man. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
On July 04 2010 16:37 CatZ.root wrote: It's amazing to me, that the same person who would openly accuse me and my ally of "listening to your stream" after losing 4-1 to us, with a ton of viewers watching, is willing to come here and try to teach me how I should behave. See the difference between you being an "e-thug" and me being an "e-thug" is I know when I do wrong and apologize. For this amongst many other reasons (that I have always chosen to ignore to keep a nice professional relationship) it is really hard for me to take any sort of advice from you. I really hope you understand this. Despite all this I made an effort and explained my reasoning, more than once, for the sake of good will... But you continue to poke at the same issue, why, I don't understand. but if it will make you stop posting, here you go again: Flop I am sorry (AGAIN), I thought that you posting a guide on top of a guide was disrespectful and replied without thinking carefully enough (AGAIN). I was frustrated, elitism is not a good thing and for this I apologize (AGAIN). So, (again) next time you have a problem with one of my posts or any other thing, PLEASE, PM me, or talk to a Mod so that they can do their job and fix whatever issue they consider pertinent. Incontrol should probably relax a bit now. It's not a big deal and we all got egos and throw shittalk around like its our job. At least you had 100x the courtesy of the average internet denizen. On top of that you're totally right in that guide on top of guide can be a little undermining (at least the way I wrote it). Sheth: I've found that at the higher level most people are still struggling with the midgame and there's a lot of opinions and not a lot of concrete arguments yet. Openings and earlygame strategy are very beneficial to the average player, but I'm really interested in how you approach midgame. Any ETA on a section regarding that? | ||
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