EPT2 spawns, 11.5 bases, 3.5 golds, 104 x 118. Sooo tiny.
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Syphon8
Canada298 Posts
2 spawns, 11.5 bases, 3.5 golds, 104 x 118. Sooo tiny. | ||
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SwedenTheKid
567 Posts
On August 11 2015 11:39 Syphon8 wrote: Made this more as an effort at improving proportioning and layouting than anything, not sure if I should texture it. 2 spawns, 11.5 bases, 3.5 golds, 104 x 118. Sooo tiny. I've been looking at this map for about a minute now and can't seem to get the slightest sense of what's going on. Anyway, it is way to small for a melee map. Proportions are off for the main base, and other areas, if you want to work on that, I guess. | ||
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SwedenTheKid
567 Posts
Thanks, the picture was very clear and it is similar to what I had in mind. Guess now I'll just raise the entire map and hope the proportions translate. Small progress so far + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VYRqYCI.jpg) | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
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Syphon8
Canada298 Posts
On August 11 2015 15:53 SwedenTheKid wrote: I've been looking at this map for about a minute now and can't seem to get the slightest sense of what's going on. Anyway, it is way to small for a melee map. Proportions are off for the main base, and other areas, if you want to work on that, I guess. Of course it's too small, the entire point was making as small of a small of a complete map as I possibly could :p Which areas? Do you think the main is too big or too small, and why? | ||
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SwedenTheKid
567 Posts
On August 12 2015 01:37 Syphon8 wrote: Of course it's too small, the entire point was making as small of a small of a complete map as I possibly could :p Which areas? Do you think the main is too big or too small, and why? Mains take up almost half the map and are very exposed. It's unclear how you are expected to take a 3rd base and defend it. Additionally the gold bases in the center are reserved only for the victor and will very rarely be used. | ||
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Syphon8
Canada298 Posts
On August 12 2015 02:42 SwedenTheKid wrote: Mains take up almost half the map and are very exposed. It's unclear how you are expected to take a 3rd base and defend it. Additionally the gold bases in the center are reserved only for the victor and will very rarely be used. Third is either the backdoor or the gold. Both can be defended from the main. Did you miss the backdoors? Also I think it's worth noting that the main isn't nearly as exposed as it looks, you can really only blink in right at the middle because the walls are extra wide, for example. Air play is probably the biggest threat. No doubt it's much more aggressive than standard but I haven't seen anything too outrageous on it from a couple plays. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
Also I think it's worth noting that the main isn't nearly as exposed as it looks, you can really only blink in right at the middle because the walls are extra wide, for example. Air play is probably the biggest threat. Hmm... have you checked that in game? It looks to me like you can blink in directly from anywhere except the middle (where you blink then go up a ramp). | ||
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SwedenTheKid
567 Posts
•middle is low ground •widened some paths •aesthetic changes ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P47ePwa.jpg) + Show Spoiler + -edited | ||
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Fatam
1986 Posts
I think people might complain because there's no great 3rd for zerg? Then again if inject is gone then queens can always tumor from the get-go so you get a head start on creep-spread.. so maybe it's ok. Someone with better knowledge of zerg / the beta would have to comment on that. Here is an update of a previous WIP that I'm still tinkering with every now and then, if anyone wants to comment. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/euEfVIP.jpg) | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
Apart from that I love the flows during all stages of the game I think this design could be a big winner | ||
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SwedenTheKid
567 Posts
For my WIP, do you think it would be improved if I reversed the position of the rocks to the other 2x2 ramp on the 3rd? Would that fix the Zerg issue? Sketched this out with LotV in mind. 156x144 [dark areas are unpathable] ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Bh5y4jp.jpg) | ||
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Fatam
1986 Posts
On August 14 2015 09:23 EatThePath wrote: ^ You're forcing zerg to in-base expo, the 6/12 are too far for a safe natural. But it's very vulnerable to cliff based attacks, esp terran 1base all in with tanks and medivacs type stuff. I think you're forced to make it more defensible. Perhaps instead of cliffable from the far vertical base, make a gap there and extend the ledge from the main ramp to give access to a tank spot on the minerals. That way mass ling defense wouldn't get hardcountered by elevator play cause the distance would be reasonable. And in general an expanding player would be less susceptible to dirty cheese/allin stuff. Apart from that I love the flows during all stages of the game I think this design could be a big winner thanks, I think an easy alternative would be to simply move the in-base nat mineral line away from the cliff (would probably mean adjusting a few other things, such as the main's mineral line, and the shape of the cliff). Do you think that is a good fix or does it make things too boring? If zerg can safely take the in-base as a nat then I think the third is a very reasonable distance away. On August 14 2015 14:20 SwedenTheKid wrote: For my WIP, do you think it would be improved if I reversed the position of the rocks to the other 2x2 ramp on the 3rd? Would that fix the Zerg issue? I think that could work. The other option is to leave them where they are but make the ramp 1x bigger (so that the ramp has a small opening) so that initial defense can happen with queens and such, but the rocks can be taken down to properly defend it. | ||
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Caviar
70 Posts
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hottis
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qLq6Y29.jpg) You can take the vertical 3rd (easier access to 4th), the horizontal 3rd (easier to defend against air and closer together) or the gold, but the gold is super vulnerable to high ground harassment. | ||
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SwedenTheKid
567 Posts
very cool, has potential imo. Only issue is it could suffer from circle syndrome, not sure. Good luck. @RoomOfMush Good concept. I like the gold option and I remember trying to do something similar. I think the map would be better with 2 more bases, maybe at 12 and 6 o'clock positions horizontal to the low ground (non-gold) 3rd. More importantly, you cant wall off your natural without exposing your nexus, so that will be an issue. Perhaps block the natural's large ramp with rocks, but leave one small opening that can be walled by one Pylon/Depot. That way your map will have more of a Blue Storm effect, the fastest rout to your opponent is the most risky, and the walling issue is solved. Fully blocking the ramp with rocks would be a bad move imo. Also, with rocks blocking most of that ramp, Blink all in play will be easier to deal with until the rocks are down. Good Luck! | ||
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SwedenTheKid
567 Posts
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The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
@RoomOfMush, hello Match Point :D! Needs some changes so that it's its own map IMO. Right now it plays pretty much the same as a match point port and I think you want the map to be your own. @Caviar, can you connect the nat/third with two creep tumors without breaking the rocks? If you can't, you may have to rework the base layout a bit before it works. Even if you can, both thirds look really close to the center (typically bad for zerg in ZvT). | ||
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SwedenTheKid
567 Posts
…How did I not see that right away + Show Spoiler + Match Point | ||
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