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IronManSC
United States2119 Posts
On May 18 2012 18:24 moskonia wrote: Map Name: Shomem Map Author: me, Mosko Map Overview: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pdryh.jpg) Playable Map Bounds: 140x140 Map thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333197 So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map? | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 19 2012 02:20 IronManSC wrote: So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map? You sound a bit angry about something dude. It's clear he's a newer mapper than you, it's not like he's part of TPW or anything. Using a Blizzard map as a starting point is a good way to get going and get familiar with the editor, and if he wants to enter something he made in that way, so be it. Back off him, maybe? EDIT: You misunderstand, the TLMC was a separate contest, requested by Blizzard. The winner was determined by the average of both a public and staff vote, that's what he's referring to. Honestly, I would kinda like to see some, say, superlative awards, such as best aesthetics, or weirdest concept. They shouldn't have much at all to do with overall mapmaking excellence, because they're extra awards, as opposed to straight up 1st place. They would lighten things up a little bit, which I would say is the only real failing of MotM at this point. | ||
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IronManSC
United States2119 Posts
On May 19 2012 02:24 NewSunshine wrote: You sound a bit angry about something dude. It's clear he's a newer mapper than you, it's not like he's part of TPW or anything. Using a Blizzard map as a starting point is a good way to get going and get familiar with the editor, and if he wants to enter something he made in that way, so be it. Back off him, maybe? Ok, then do me a favor? Open up the Ohana map file. Take the rocks off the fourth, create a slightly tighter choke on the 3rd, and change the rock texture. Are you the author of Ohana now (or if you prefer calling it an entirely different name)? Putting a tag on it after making a small change (like adding neutral depots) such as GSL, DH, MLG, etc is understandable and acceptable - but to claim authorship of something you didn't actually create at all, and even changing the map name, just feels and looks very unacceptable. If anything, the map is still authored by blizzard, and the name should be like 'Desert Oasis RE', re-worked by [name]. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On May 19 2012 02:24 NewSunshine wrote: EDIT: You misunderstand, the TLMC was a separate contest, requested by Blizzard. The winner was determined by the average of both a public and staff vote, that's what he's referring to. Honestly, I would kinda like to see some, say, superlative awards, such as best aesthetics, or weirdest concept. They shouldn't have much at all to do with overall mapmaking excellence, because they're extra awards, as opposed to straight up 1st place. They would lighten things up a little bit, which I would say is the only real failing of MotM at this point. The way he phrased the sentence was that the winner will be decided by 100% public vote. Which, as I've mentioned, is stupid because people won't play the map to know how well it works (or doesn't), and will just see pretty pretty stuff and click a button. Edit: Deleted some stuff that's pretty bitter. | ||
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IronManSC
United States2119 Posts
On May 19 2012 03:13 Heh_ wrote: The way he phrased the sentence was that the winner will be decided by 100% public vote. Which, as I've mentioned, is stupid because people won't play the map to know how well it works (or doesn't), and will just see pretty pretty stuff and click a button. I'll put it in the context of your map: It won't win, because there isn't enough doodads and texturing to make it "pretty". The fact that the natural is godawful will be overlooked by many. Wow dude, could you be any more ignorant? He isn't even trying to take merit for his own work. He's saying MotM should do something similar to TLMC as far as votes (does not mean poll winner is motm winner), plus the addition of random awards that make map-making feel fun and more expandable. Why you decide to bash his map as a means of proving your point and shutting him up is beyond me. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On May 19 2012 03:18 IronManSC wrote: Wow dude, could you be any more ignorant? He isn't even trying to take merit for his own work. He's saying MotM should do something similar to TLMC as far as votes (does not mean poll winner is motm winner), plus the addition of random awards that make map-making feel fun and more expandable. Why you decide to bash his map as a means of proving your point and shutting him up is beyond me. The part about his submission is out of place. I've deleted it in my original post. I was criticizing the idea about having a map contest that is 100% popularity based; upon re-reading NewSunshine's post, he has a good point. | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
On May 19 2012 03:06 IronManSC wrote: Ok, then do me a favor? Open up the Ohana map file. Take the rocks off the fourth, create a slightly tighter choke on the 3rd, and change the rock texture. Are you the author of Ohana now (or if you prefer calling it an entirely different name)? Putting a tag on it after making a small change (like adding neutral depots) such as GSL, DH, MLG, etc is understandable and acceptable - but to claim authorship of something you didn't actually create at all, and even changing the map name, just feels and looks very unacceptable. If anything, the map is still authored by blizzard, and the name should be like 'Desert Oasis RE', re-worked by [name]. While I do agree that the map looks really much like desert oasis, even thou it has many more changes than what you claimed. + Show Spoiler [desert oasis] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kjwjx.png) I do not understand why do you act like moskonia chopped off your dick by entering MOTM with that map. Especially since your own map making team mate (when you still were TPW) made it into top5 of MOTM doing the exact same thing. + Show Spoiler [shakuras] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/HhXxD.jpg) | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 19 2012 03:06 IronManSC wrote: Ok, then do me a favor? Open up the Ohana map file. Take the rocks off the fourth, create a slightly tighter choke on the 3rd, and change the rock texture. Are you the author of Ohana now (or if you prefer calling it an entirely different name)? Putting a tag on it after making a small change (like adding neutral depots) such as GSL, DH, MLG, etc is understandable and acceptable - but to claim authorship of something you didn't actually create at all, and even changing the map name, just feels and looks very unacceptable. If anything, the map is still authored by blizzard, and the name should be like 'Desert Oasis RE', re-worked by [name]. Technically, all of our maps are owned by Blizzard, so I see little difference between a "Desert Oasis RE", and what he's submitted. Clearly, there is a line to be drawn at the higher levels of mapmaking in this regard, but Moskonia is a newcomer, compared to you or Superouman, or any other of a sizable list of accomplished mappers. I wouldn't mind you saying: On May 19 2012 02:20 IronManSC wrote: So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map? if Archvil3 or Ragoo suddenly decided they felt lazy and decided to submit a rehash of a Blizzard map, but that's not what we have here. What we have here is someone who's learning the ropes of mapmaking, so cut him some slack. On May 19 2012 03:18 IronManSC wrote: Wow dude, could you be any more ignorant? He isn't even trying to take merit for his own work. He's saying MotM should do something similar to TLMC as far as votes (does not mean poll winner is motm winner), plus the addition of random awards that make map-making feel fun and more expandable. Why you decide to bash his map as a means of proving your point and shutting him up is beyond me. Exactly. I'm not trying to promote my work. Every time I've mentioned something like this to try and spice up MotM people somehow get the impression I'm just doing it for myself. I'm trying to suggest these things because MotM feels extremely competitive the way it is now, and although it is, it also feels far too serious for my taste. I don't mind it being competitive, but it could also be a lot more fun than it currently is. Themes for the contest itself, as well as extra awards besides who made the absolute best maps, would make the whole experience more enjoyable. Clearly, there would have to be some determination of what those themes/awards would be, so as not to downplay what we have now, but that's not to say it has no place in MotM. I strongly urge those behind MotM(Lefix, I guess) to think about this. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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SiskosGoatee
Albania1482 Posts
On May 19 2012 03:13 Heh_ wrote: The way he phrased the sentence was that the winner will be decided by 100% public vote. I do so beg to differ, at least, what I interpreted is add another award on top, have both the jury and the public prize. So did IronManSC so yeah, I don't think the text implies that at all. Personally, I'm all for adding more categories 'Best overall map', 'most original map', 'best public vote map', 'most beautiful map' etc etc. On May 19 2012 03:41 Sea_Food wrote: Have to agree with this honestly. The layout is superficially similar to Desert Oasis but it's not just a retexture, if this is a ripoff then Blizzard should've named Crossfire 'Peaks of Baekdu RE by blizzard'. It's obvious the map was inspired by Peaks of Baekdu and the general layout is similar but there are some definite changes and it's far from a reskin.While I do agree that the map looks really much like desert oasis, even thou it has many more changes than what you claimed. + Show Spoiler [desert oasis] + I do not understand why do you act like moskonia chopped off your dick by entering MOTM with that map. Especially since your own map making team mate (when you still were TPW) made it into top5 of MOTM doing the exact same thing. + Show Spoiler [shakuras] + | ||
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moskonia
Israel1448 Posts
On May 19 2012 02:20 IronManSC wrote: So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map? That is insulting, if you actually look at the map, you will see I have changed it almost everything there, only the basic structure remains (which I wanted to use ), the fact you're an experienced map maker doesn't mean you can be a douche. | ||
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wrl
United States209 Posts
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
One can hope... :D | ||
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lefix
Germany1082 Posts
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
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wrl
United States209 Posts
On May 19 2012 05:26 SidianTheBard wrote: Hot damn this MOTM is already starting off strong with the amount of drama already. I can't wait til the results thread. Although, without ESV I have a feeling the drama won't be as good. Here's to hoping TPW takes all 5 spots in the top 5. That'd be epic. One can hope... :D You heard it here first folks. TPW taking top 5 spots with only 2 maps!  | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 19 2012 05:38 wrl wrote: You heard it here first folks. TPW taking top 5 spots with only 2 maps! Obviously the better of the 2 maps would take the top 3 spots, then the other map would have the last 2. Duh. | ||
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EatThePath
United States3943 Posts
I'll probably do that when submissions close just because I'm curious now. | ||
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Timmay
United States112 Posts
Map Author: Timmay Map Overview: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KWTFd.jpg) Playable Map Bounds: 156 x 156 | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On May 19 2012 06:22 EatThePath wrote: If you want a Public Choice map winner, just make a poll... I'll probably do that when submissions close just because I'm curious now. Nonono I do it! :p | ||
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