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IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
May 18 2012 17:20 GMT
#81
On May 18 2012 18:24 moskonia wrote:
Map Name: Shomem
Map Author: me, Mosko
Map Overview: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Playable Map Bounds: 140x140
Map thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333197


So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map?
SC2 Mapmaker || twitter: @ironmansc || Ohana & Mech Depot || 3x TLMC finalist || www.twitch.tv/sc2mapstream
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 17:32:11
May 18 2012 17:24 GMT
#82
On May 19 2012 02:20 IronManSC wrote:
So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map?

You sound a bit angry about something dude. It's clear he's a newer mapper than you, it's not like he's part of TPW or anything. Using a Blizzard map as a starting point is a good way to get going and get familiar with the editor, and if he wants to enter something he made in that way, so be it. Back off him, maybe?

EDIT:
On May 19 2012 01:55 Heh_ wrote:
No it doesn't. I'll quote it for you.
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 19:10 lefix wrote:
The Map of the Month organization is focused on highlighting the best maps from the community and getting them the attention they deserve and hopefully see them picked up by more organizations.

You misunderstand, the TLMC was a separate contest, requested by Blizzard. The winner was determined by the average of both a public and staff vote, that's what he's referring to. Honestly, I would kinda like to see some, say, superlative awards, such as best aesthetics, or weirdest concept. They shouldn't have much at all to do with overall mapmaking excellence, because they're extra awards, as opposed to straight up 1st place. They would lighten things up a little bit, which I would say is the only real failing of MotM at this point.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
May 18 2012 18:06 GMT
#83
On May 19 2012 02:24 NewSunshine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 02:20 IronManSC wrote:
So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map?

You sound a bit angry about something dude. It's clear he's a newer mapper than you, it's not like he's part of TPW or anything. Using a Blizzard map as a starting point is a good way to get going and get familiar with the editor, and if he wants to enter something he made in that way, so be it. Back off him, maybe?


Ok, then do me a favor? Open up the Ohana map file. Take the rocks off the fourth, create a slightly tighter choke on the 3rd, and change the rock texture. Are you the author of Ohana now (or if you prefer calling it an entirely different name)?

Putting a tag on it after making a small change (like adding neutral depots) such as GSL, DH, MLG, etc is understandable and acceptable - but to claim authorship of something you didn't actually create at all, and even changing the map name, just feels and looks very unacceptable.

If anything, the map is still authored by blizzard, and the name should be like 'Desert Oasis RE', re-worked by [name].
SC2 Mapmaker || twitter: @ironmansc || Ohana & Mech Depot || 3x TLMC finalist || www.twitch.tv/sc2mapstream
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 18:31:35
May 18 2012 18:13 GMT
#84
On May 19 2012 02:24 NewSunshine wrote:
EDIT:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 01:55 Heh_ wrote:
No it doesn't. I'll quote it for you.
On May 08 2012 19:10 lefix wrote:
The Map of the Month organization is focused on highlighting the best maps from the community and getting them the attention they deserve and hopefully see them picked up by more organizations.

You misunderstand, the TLMC was a separate contest, requested by Blizzard. The winner was determined by the average of both a public and staff vote, that's what he's referring to. Honestly, I would kinda like to see some, say, superlative awards, such as best aesthetics, or weirdest concept. They shouldn't have much at all to do with overall mapmaking excellence, because they're extra awards, as opposed to straight up 1st place. They would lighten things up a little bit, which I would say is the only real failing of MotM at this point.

The way he phrased the sentence was that the winner will be decided by 100% public vote. Which, as I've mentioned, is stupid because people won't play the map to know how well it works (or doesn't), and will just see pretty pretty stuff and click a button.
Edit: Deleted some stuff that's pretty bitter.
=Þ
IronManSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2119 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 18:20:52
May 18 2012 18:18 GMT
#85
On May 19 2012 03:13 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 02:24 NewSunshine wrote:
EDIT:
On May 19 2012 01:55 Heh_ wrote:
No it doesn't. I'll quote it for you.
On May 08 2012 19:10 lefix wrote:
The Map of the Month organization is focused on highlighting the best maps from the community and getting them the attention they deserve and hopefully see them picked up by more organizations.

You misunderstand, the TLMC was a separate contest, requested by Blizzard. The winner was determined by the average of both a public and staff vote, that's what he's referring to. Honestly, I would kinda like to see some, say, superlative awards, such as best aesthetics, or weirdest concept. They shouldn't have much at all to do with overall mapmaking excellence, because they're extra awards, as opposed to straight up 1st place. They would lighten things up a little bit, which I would say is the only real failing of MotM at this point.

The way he phrased the sentence was that the winner will be decided by 100% public vote. Which, as I've mentioned, is stupid because people won't play the map to know how well it works (or doesn't), and will just see pretty pretty stuff and click a button.

I'll put it in the context of your map: It won't win, because there isn't enough doodads and texturing to make it "pretty". The fact that the natural is godawful will be overlooked by many.


Wow dude, could you be any more ignorant? He isn't even trying to take merit for his own work. He's saying MotM should do something similar to TLMC as far as votes (does not mean poll winner is motm winner), plus the addition of random awards that make map-making feel fun and more expandable. Why you decide to bash his map as a means of proving your point and shutting him up is beyond me.
SC2 Mapmaker || twitter: @ironmansc || Ohana & Mech Depot || 3x TLMC finalist || www.twitch.tv/sc2mapstream
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
May 18 2012 18:35 GMT
#86
On May 19 2012 03:18 IronManSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 03:13 Heh_ wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:24 NewSunshine wrote:
EDIT:
On May 19 2012 01:55 Heh_ wrote:
No it doesn't. I'll quote it for you.
On May 08 2012 19:10 lefix wrote:
The Map of the Month organization is focused on highlighting the best maps from the community and getting them the attention they deserve and hopefully see them picked up by more organizations.

You misunderstand, the TLMC was a separate contest, requested by Blizzard. The winner was determined by the average of both a public and staff vote, that's what he's referring to. Honestly, I would kinda like to see some, say, superlative awards, such as best aesthetics, or weirdest concept. They shouldn't have much at all to do with overall mapmaking excellence, because they're extra awards, as opposed to straight up 1st place. They would lighten things up a little bit, which I would say is the only real failing of MotM at this point.

The way he phrased the sentence was that the winner will be decided by 100% public vote. Which, as I've mentioned, is stupid because people won't play the map to know how well it works (or doesn't), and will just see pretty pretty stuff and click a button.

I'll put it in the context of your map: It won't win, because there isn't enough doodads and texturing to make it "pretty". The fact that the natural is godawful will be overlooked by many.


Wow dude, could you be any more ignorant? He isn't even trying to take merit for his own work. He's saying MotM should do something similar to TLMC as far as votes (does not mean poll winner is motm winner), plus the addition of random awards that make map-making feel fun and more expandable. Why you decide to bash his map as a means of proving your point and shutting him up is beyond me.

The part about his submission is out of place. I've deleted it in my original post. I was criticizing the idea about having a map contest that is 100% popularity based; upon re-reading NewSunshine's post, he has a good point.
=Þ
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
May 18 2012 18:41 GMT
#87
On May 19 2012 03:06 IronManSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 02:24 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:20 IronManSC wrote:
So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map?

You sound a bit angry about something dude. It's clear he's a newer mapper than you, it's not like he's part of TPW or anything. Using a Blizzard map as a starting point is a good way to get going and get familiar with the editor, and if he wants to enter something he made in that way, so be it. Back off him, maybe?


Ok, then do me a favor? Open up the Ohana map file. Take the rocks off the fourth, create a slightly tighter choke on the 3rd, and change the rock texture. Are you the author of Ohana now (or if you prefer calling it an entirely different name)?

Putting a tag on it after making a small change (like adding neutral depots) such as GSL, DH, MLG, etc is understandable and acceptable - but to claim authorship of something you didn't actually create at all, and even changing the map name, just feels and looks very unacceptable.

If anything, the map is still authored by blizzard, and the name should be like 'Desert Oasis RE', re-worked by [name].


While I do agree that the map looks really much like desert oasis, even thou it has many more changes than what you claimed.
+ Show Spoiler [desert oasis] +
[image loading]


I do not understand why do you act like moskonia chopped off your dick by entering MOTM with that map.

Especially since your own map making team mate (when you still were TPW) made it into top5 of MOTM doing the exact same thing.
+ Show Spoiler [shakuras] +
[image loading]
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 18 2012 18:43 GMT
#88
On May 19 2012 03:06 IronManSC wrote:
Ok, then do me a favor? Open up the Ohana map file. Take the rocks off the fourth, create a slightly tighter choke on the 3rd, and change the rock texture. Are you the author of Ohana now (or if you prefer calling it an entirely different name)?

Putting a tag on it after making a small change (like adding neutral depots) such as GSL, DH, MLG, etc is understandable and acceptable - but to claim authorship of something you didn't actually create at all, and even changing the map name, just feels and looks very unacceptable.

If anything, the map is still authored by blizzard, and the name should be like 'Desert Oasis RE', re-worked by [name].

Technically, all of our maps are owned by Blizzard, so I see little difference between a "Desert Oasis RE", and what he's submitted. Clearly, there is a line to be drawn at the higher levels of mapmaking in this regard, but Moskonia is a newcomer, compared to you or Superouman, or any other of a sizable list of accomplished mappers. I wouldn't mind you saying:
On May 19 2012 02:20 IronManSC wrote:
So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map?

if Archvil3 or Ragoo suddenly decided they felt lazy and decided to submit a rehash of a Blizzard map, but that's not what we have here. What we have here is someone who's learning the ropes of mapmaking, so cut him some slack.
On May 19 2012 03:18 IronManSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 03:13 Heh_ wrote:
The way he phrased the sentence was that the winner will be decided by 100% public vote. Which, as I've mentioned, is stupid because people won't play the map to know how well it works (or doesn't), and will just see pretty pretty stuff and click a button.

I'll put it in the context of your map: It won't win, because there isn't enough doodads and texturing to make it "pretty". The fact that the natural is godawful will be overlooked by many.


Wow dude, could you be any more ignorant? He isn't even trying to take merit for his own work. He's saying MotM should do something similar to TLMC as far as votes (does not mean poll winner is motm winner), plus the addition of random awards that make map-making feel fun and more expandable. Why you decide to bash his map as a means of proving your point and shutting him up is beyond me.

Exactly. I'm not trying to promote my work. Every time I've mentioned something like this to try and spice up MotM people somehow get the impression I'm just doing it for myself. I'm trying to suggest these things because MotM feels extremely competitive the way it is now, and although it is, it also feels far too serious for my taste. I don't mind it being competitive, but it could also be a lot more fun than it currently is. Themes for the contest itself, as well as extra awards besides who made the absolute best maps, would make the whole experience more enjoyable. Clearly, there would have to be some determination of what those themes/awards would be, so as not to downplay what we have now, but that's not to say it has no place in MotM. I strongly urge those behind MotM(Lefix, I guess) to think about this.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
May 18 2012 19:40 GMT
#89
What in the fuck are you freaking out about IronMan, please don't post anymore until you check Skype.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
May 18 2012 19:40 GMT
#90
On May 19 2012 03:13 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 02:24 NewSunshine wrote:
EDIT:
On May 19 2012 01:55 Heh_ wrote:
No it doesn't. I'll quote it for you.
On May 08 2012 19:10 lefix wrote:
The Map of the Month organization is focused on highlighting the best maps from the community and getting them the attention they deserve and hopefully see them picked up by more organizations.

You misunderstand, the TLMC was a separate contest, requested by Blizzard. The winner was determined by the average of both a public and staff vote, that's what he's referring to. Honestly, I would kinda like to see some, say, superlative awards, such as best aesthetics, or weirdest concept. They shouldn't have much at all to do with overall mapmaking excellence, because they're extra awards, as opposed to straight up 1st place. They would lighten things up a little bit, which I would say is the only real failing of MotM at this point.

The way he phrased the sentence was that the winner will be decided by 100% public vote.


I do so beg to differ, at least, what I interpreted is add another award on top, have both the jury and the public prize. So did IronManSC so yeah, I don't think the text implies that at all.

Personally, I'm all for adding more categories 'Best overall map', 'most original map', 'best public vote map', 'most beautiful map' etc etc.

On May 19 2012 03:41 Sea_Food wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 03:06 IronManSC wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:24 NewSunshine wrote:
On May 19 2012 02:20 IronManSC wrote:
So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map?

You sound a bit angry about something dude. It's clear he's a newer mapper than you, it's not like he's part of TPW or anything. Using a Blizzard map as a starting point is a good way to get going and get familiar with the editor, and if he wants to enter something he made in that way, so be it. Back off him, maybe?


Ok, then do me a favor? Open up the Ohana map file. Take the rocks off the fourth, create a slightly tighter choke on the 3rd, and change the rock texture. Are you the author of Ohana now (or if you prefer calling it an entirely different name)?

Putting a tag on it after making a small change (like adding neutral depots) such as GSL, DH, MLG, etc is understandable and acceptable - but to claim authorship of something you didn't actually create at all, and even changing the map name, just feels and looks very unacceptable.

If anything, the map is still authored by blizzard, and the name should be like 'Desert Oasis RE', re-worked by [name].


While I do agree that the map looks really much like desert oasis, even thou it has many more changes than what you claimed.
+ Show Spoiler [desert oasis] +
[image loading]


I do not understand why do you act like moskonia chopped off your dick by entering MOTM with that map.

Especially since your own map making team mate (when you still were TPW) made it into top5 of MOTM doing the exact same thing.
+ Show Spoiler [shakuras] +
[image loading]
Have to agree with this honestly. The layout is superficially similar to Desert Oasis but it's not just a retexture, if this is a ripoff then Blizzard should've named Crossfire 'Peaks of Baekdu RE by blizzard'. It's obvious the map was inspired by Peaks of Baekdu and the general layout is similar but there are some definite changes and it's far from a reskin.
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moskonia
Profile Joined January 2011
Israel1448 Posts
May 18 2012 19:43 GMT
#91
On May 19 2012 02:20 IronManSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2012 18:24 moskonia wrote:
Map Name: Shomem
Map Author: me, Mosko
Map Overview: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Playable Map Bounds: 140x140
Map thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333197


So you connected the islands on Desert Oasis, change the textures, and call it your own map?

That is insulting, if you actually look at the map, you will see I have changed it almost everything there, only the basic structure remains (which I wanted to use ), the fact you're an experienced map maker doesn't mean you can be a douche.
wrl
Profile Joined April 2011
United States209 Posts
May 18 2012 19:58 GMT
#92
RE: Other awards. I don't think there is going to be anything official, but I'd be happy to do a couple random awards for maps that do something I like, but might not be a great map on the whole.
It's funny; I dream a lot, but I'm not a very good sleeper.
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 20:35:16
May 18 2012 20:26 GMT
#93
Hot damn this MOTM is starting off strong with the amount of drama already. I can't wait til the results thread. Although, without ESV I have a feeling the drama won't be as good. Here's to hoping TPW takes all 5 spots in the top 5. That'd be epic and create an awesome thread full of drama.

One can hope... :D
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
lefix
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1082 Posts
May 18 2012 20:35 GMT
#94
I don't even think TPW has that many maps ready this month
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SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
May 18 2012 20:36 GMT
#95
Lefix, pump out another map and tell someone else on TPW to submit it then. Come on buddy, you can do it!
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
wrl
Profile Joined April 2011
United States209 Posts
May 18 2012 20:38 GMT
#96
On May 19 2012 05:26 SidianTheBard wrote:
Hot damn this MOTM is already starting off strong with the amount of drama already. I can't wait til the results thread. Although, without ESV I have a feeling the drama won't be as good. Here's to hoping TPW takes all 5 spots in the top 5. That'd be epic.

One can hope... :D


You heard it here first folks. TPW taking top 5 spots with only 2 maps!
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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 18 2012 21:01 GMT
#97
On May 19 2012 05:38 wrl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 05:26 SidianTheBard wrote:
Hot damn this MOTM is already starting off strong with the amount of drama already. I can't wait til the results thread. Although, without ESV I have a feeling the drama won't be as good. Here's to hoping TPW takes all 5 spots in the top 5. That'd be epic.

One can hope... :D


You heard it here first folks. TPW taking top 5 spots with only 2 maps!

Obviously the better of the 2 maps would take the top 3 spots, then the other map would have the last 2.
Duh.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-18 21:22:49
May 18 2012 21:22 GMT
#98
If you want a Public Choice map winner, just make a poll...

I'll probably do that when submissions close just because I'm curious now.
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Timmay
Profile Joined April 2005
United States112 Posts
May 18 2012 23:05 GMT
#99
Map Name: Psychosurgery
Map Author: Timmay
Map Overview:
[image loading]
Playable Map Bounds: 156 x 156
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
May 18 2012 23:34 GMT
#100
On May 19 2012 06:22 EatThePath wrote:
If you want a Public Choice map winner, just make a poll...

I'll probably do that when submissions close just because I'm curious now.


Nonono I do it!

:p
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