MotM May - Submissions - Page 6

On May 10 2012 07:34 Diamond wrote:
Sorry to disappoint, but with no prize either there is not a single reason for us to enter. And if one of our maps that could have been a killer map gets rushed and sucks even once for a tournament with no prize and no tournaments that use the results, that is one map too many.

I think mapmaking has got to the point where you NEED to have tournament backing or prizes, you would not expect EG to play in tournaments with no prize, why should we?

Either way, regardless of the reasons, the decision stands at this point, sorry.

On May 19 2012 11:06 a176 wrote:


what a ridiculously elitist and shameful statement

On May 19 2012 11:06 a176 wrote:


what a ridiculously elitist and shameful statement

On May 19 2012 15:47 SiskosGoatee wrote:
There's also a subtle hidden fallacy in the logic. The point is that EG specifically plays for tournaments and wouldn't have played those matches if the tournament wasn't there. Whereas people are going to make those maps anyway regardless of MotM, so you might as well submit it.

On May 19 2012 10:40 PandaZerg wrote:
I have inspected Rainbow Road via NA servers. Nice work on textures

On May 19 2012 17:09 MarcusRife wrote:
I don't see the BIG deal with ESV's decision. There were a ton of teamless mappers who were complaining about not having a chance in MOTM if you weren't on a team. I understand where their feelings were coming from. They received no recognition. No feedback on how they can improve to receive recognition in the future and given the relationship between judges and mappers on teams it gives the appearance of cronyism. I don't believe that to be the case but given the amateur's position I can see how they jump to that conclusion. Therefore given that the only benefit at this point to MOTM is recognition and ESV has that in abundance right now because of their recent success just slapping ESV on a map gives it instant recognition, they are bowing out of MOTM. The recognition is not as beneficial to them as it is to a small time mapper, they want to focus on getting their maps in tournaments i.e. they want to produce the highest quality maps possible, and they stop crowding others out. The way I see it they are being somewhat generous.

On May 19 2012 15:47 SiskosGoatee wrote:
There's also a subtle hidden fallacy in the logic. The point is that EG specifically plays for tournaments and wouldn't have played those matches if the tournament wasn't there. Whereas people are going to make those maps anyway regardless of MotM, so you might as well submit it.

On May 19 2012 22:24 NewSunshine wrote:

That's one way to see it. However, the winner of a MotM where ESV doesn't participate has to question whether they would still have won otherwise, or even made it to the top 5 selection. Don't get me wrong, everyone's entitled to their own view of it, but I think the recognition would be so much more significant if it was earned despite ESV's presence, not because of the lack of it. That, and they all put out really cool stuff, and I can always use more inspiration.

On May 20 2012 00:45 monitor wrote:


That's the point exactly- we actually don't have maps regardless of MotM. It happens all too often that we rush out maps to submit to motm, and it degrades the quality of them. That is the major reason why we're backing out at this point. I can see where all the criticism comes from, but right now it hurts our maps when its not necessary, since there aren't any tournaments or prizes for the competition.