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Samro225am
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany982 Posts
December 26 2010 19:50 GMT
#21
very, very nice map. i totally like the layout of the possible expansions.
on the visual side I love the way you created something individual with simple cliff-"brushwork".

some spots look too tight though - I cannot play the map, i try to understand it just from looking - nat to third is quite a long and narrow choke. also the central highground could be more open with only one tower. also i am unsure about the gold being so difficult to hold once you do not have complete control over centre. it looks like only one player can have it actually, but I guess you guys tested the map well and it works
2-_-n
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden24 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-26 22:29:29
December 26 2010 19:52 GMT
#22
Sure!

I don't see why not, since I'm quite sure more than me would want to get their hands on this one!

I'll pm you my email.
ruskig on bnet
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
December 26 2010 21:20 GMT
#23
On December 27 2010 04:50 Samro225am wrote:
very, very nice map. i totally like the layout of the possible expansions.
on the visual side I love the way you created something individual with simple cliff-"brushwork".

some spots look too tight though - I cannot play the map, i try to understand it just from looking - nat to third is quite a long and narrow choke. also the central highground could be more open with only one tower. also i am unsure about the gold being so difficult to hold once you do not have complete control over centre. it looks like only one player can have it actually, but I guess you guys tested the map well and it works


Yeah, it works just the way it is supposed to. In-game, the choke to the third is not very long. It has not proved to be a problem (even in a 200/200 battle), more of a strategic area.
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baskerville
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
541 Posts
December 26 2010 22:16 GMT
#24
no angled pictures...?
http://www.teamliquid.net/mirror/smilies/random-big.gif
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
December 26 2010 22:39 GMT
#25
On December 27 2010 07:16 baskerville wrote:
no angled pictures...?


Good point, I'll stick in an angled overview.
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MavercK
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia2181 Posts
December 26 2010 22:42 GMT
#26
i really like it.
really really like it.

great work
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monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
December 26 2010 22:45 GMT
#27
On December 27 2010 07:42 MavercK wrote:
i really like it.
really really like it.

great work


Hey thanks!

I added a Low Quality overview (sorry, hard to get a high quality) to the thread.
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BoomStevo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States332 Posts
December 26 2010 22:56 GMT
#28
I don't quite understand the 1-gas expansion. I think the 1-gas expo is somewhat equivalent to a mineral-only expo in BW, but a mineral-only expo usually represented a low-risk, low-reward base. With that said, the placement of your 1-gas expo doesn't feel low-risk to me. It is close to the center, near the main attack path, and spotted by a watchtower. I feel as if the corner base would be taken as a third and for a fourth I would most likely take the gold expansion outside of my third. The gold represents nearly the same risks but gives a higher reward while protecting the entrance to my third.

The center is tight. I'm glad you removed the extraneous LOS blockers.

Aesthetically, I think it could use some work. From the top-down view my biggest concern is the sameness of each space. The same textures are used throughout which makes it difficult to distinguish the different spaces. Upon closer inspection I think you could tighten up the 'jigsaw' effect of the textures better by making them line up more naturally. And while I'm nitpicking, you have asteroids placed around the edges which are high up. With air units in these areas they can fly through or below the asteroids.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=158246 - My Maps
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
December 26 2010 23:09 GMT
#29
On December 27 2010 07:56 BoomStevo wrote:
I don't quite understand the 1-gas expansion. I think the 1-gas expo is somewhat equivalent to a mineral-only expo in BW, but a mineral-only expo usually represented a low-risk, low-reward base. With that said, the placement of your 1-gas expo doesn't feel low-risk to me. It is close to the center, near the main attack path, and spotted by a watchtower. I feel as if the corner base would be taken as a third and for a fourth I would most likely take the gold expansion outside of my third. The gold represents nearly the same risks but gives a higher reward while protecting the entrance to my third.

The center is tight. I'm glad you removed the extraneous LOS blockers.

Aesthetically, I think it could use some work. From the top-down view my biggest concern is the sameness of each space. The same textures are used throughout which makes it difficult to distinguish the different spaces. Upon closer inspection I think you could tighten up the 'jigsaw' effect of the textures better by making them line up more naturally. And while I'm nitpicking, you have asteroids placed around the edges which are high up. With air units in these areas they can fly through or below the asteroids.


The 1gas expo is there for a specific reason. When containing, which is pretty easy, if it had 2gas, it'd be too powerful. I needed to keep contains balanced.

I've heard positive and negatives about the aesthetics. Somewhat I agree that from the overview it is hard to distinguish areas, but in-game its really not.

The high up asteroids are outside of the map bounds last I checked, but I can check again.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
December 26 2010 23:25 GMT
#30
As far as the textures go, they could be really improved by simply tightening them up. Particularly the small "grid" texture, making its bounds on the edges of the squares themselves would make them nicer. But to be honest that texture doesn't quite fit anyways.

I do like that you used the avernus plates texture well. its a hard one to do so.
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WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
December 27 2010 01:29 GMT
#31
the design looks really good monitor. i think the texturing needs more contrast to make the map really shine though. too much of the same imo.
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
December 27 2010 01:56 GMT
#32
On December 27 2010 10:29 WniO wrote:
the design looks really good monitor. i think the texturing needs more contrast to make the map really shine though. too much of the same imo.


Okay, thanks!

I'll take a look at the aesthetics more, hopefully clean them up. In-game, they're looking fine, have you seen them? Let me know.
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monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 17:40:25
December 29 2010 17:30 GMT
#33
OP updated with a new image. Seen here:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


iCCup Pawn 2.0 Changes:
-HY 1x ramp replaced with low ground path
-textures sharpened, exaggerated
-center high ground removed
-3rds moved closer to center
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2-_-n
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden24 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 21:42:56
December 29 2010 21:42 GMT
#34
The updated version is now up on eu.
ruskig on bnet
MadZ
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark111 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-29 22:44:42
December 29 2010 22:26 GMT
#35
the map looks really fucking amazing im gonna play on right now.. if only blizzard would try using theese maps..


i cant find this on eu ?
SpoR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1542 Posts
December 29 2010 22:47 GMT
#36
very nice, If i had to make one change it would be to spread the bases a little more out. If you look at the pathing lines, you can see there are too many bases on it, or just off the beaten path. Giving zerg really only 1 safe place for a third base.
I'd at the least move the 13k bases North and South respectively, into that open space behind them.
A man is what he thinks about all day long.
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
December 29 2010 22:52 GMT
#37
On December 30 2010 07:47 SpoR wrote:
very nice, If i had to make one change it would be to spread the bases a little more out. If you look at the pathing lines, you can see there are too many bases on it, or just off the beaten path. Giving zerg really only 1 safe place for a third base.
I'd at the least move the 13k bases North and South respectively, into that open space behind them.


I think the bases are fine from testing.

I've made a couple revisions to 2.0, and the HY is pushed into the center more. I've also opened up numerous chokes (not naturals), and cleaned textures a bit more. Seen here:

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/Monitor
monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
December 29 2010 22:57 GMT
#38
On December 30 2010 07:26 MadZ wrote:
the map looks really fucking amazing im gonna play on right now.. if only blizzard would try using theese maps..


i cant find this on eu ?


Should be up, 2-_-n published it as far as I know.
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iGrok
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5142 Posts
December 29 2010 23:03 GMT
#39
that choke into the HY looks better open.
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monitor
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2409 Posts
December 29 2010 23:14 GMT
#40
On December 30 2010 08:03 iGrok wrote:
that choke into the HY looks better open.


The problem in testing was the choked up areas of the map. There were too many chokes, so I had to open it up. By doing this, it also made the center smaller, promoting the side expansion game play that it was originally meant to have. The HY is also harder to defend now, because its closer to the rush path to your enemy. It'll be scouted more often and harassed earlier. The openness also makes it harder to hold without the small choke point.
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