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koreasilver
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On December 21 2010 02:36 Edmon wrote: Oh ho ho, look who saw these changes coming a mile away 3 weeks ago  .On interceptors, please attend school: http://www.playstarbattle.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=322 I think you are missing my point. While armor upgrades, micro control and well placed splash attack can negate interceptors, the chance is that your team is made up of you, one or two skilled players, and the rest are consist of inexperienced ones, the vulnerable sector. The fact does not change. An interceptor build deals insane amount of DPS, enough to tip the balance of power within the first couple skirmishes. | ||
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koreasilver
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
On December 21 2010 07:16 koreasilver wrote: I don't really find it all that different from how like half your team would die in the first five minutes to obnoxious flux + speed first void ray builds when void rays first came out. Bad players will die to pretty much anything anyway. Flux + speed first void rays take 500 years to kill you though? | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On December 21 2010 07:16 koreasilver wrote: I don't really find it all that different from how like half your team would die in the first five minutes to obnoxious flux + speed first void ray builds when void rays first came out. Bad players will die to pretty much anything anyway. I found playing the Voidray to be annoying, in the sense that I can't actually dish out any DPS until I got some proper farming done. The initial damage output of Voidray is pretty pathetic. Unless the opponent is truly horrendous, Voidray has little relevance to the earlier stages of the game. Theoretically a coordinated Voidray team is OP. But face it, how many times have you seen your mates coordinating with you in an average game? | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
What I'm saying is that these same bad players are always going to die to stupid things regardless of what they are. The fighter carrier builds that people are using after the recent patch is kinda the same thing, to my eyes. It has weaknesses and with some proper responses they can be dealt with. Just like how people used to totally underestimate void ray gank builds and wouldn't run when they see one (people really need to check upgrades on other ships), people are just dying to the new fighter builds because they don't know what they're doing. Once people get used to it I think people will die much less absurdly than they are right now against fighter carrier builds. | ||
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
On December 21 2010 06:15 VelRa_G wrote: 11+ tentacle is the most common thing in the world late game to begin with. I'm not talking about 5-10 minutes. Also, see Edmon's school for the bit about a) surviving them with armor and b) not having 45-60 chase you at once with good movement. Your "guide" even mentions how ineffective armor ups is for leviathan, which you seemed to have forgotten about, and even sticking in a group, having 45 interceptors on the same focus fired person is not uncommon, neither is having pug team mates who don't know how to aoe. 1 person aoeing (esp a non-instant aoe) is not sufficient for that many interceptors. Also, carriers can warp them in, and can be quite distant from target provided they have sight. interceptors were UP before, OP now, will likely get toned down again. Don't try to act like they aren't a bit imbalanced in current state. And they are a hell of a lot cheaper then any other build due to requiring less upgrades and not relying on energy at all... they easily outdamage bile swarm/missiles after a few upgrades and you also don't have to worry about upping range due to the fact they can follow as far as they survive. | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
On December 21 2010 07:38 koreasilver wrote: Void ray builds that go straight into attempting ganking is always really horrible and unless your opponent has a lot of really bad players and not lose ships then that void ray becomes quickly useless. The thing is, people really -are- that horrendous and when void rays first came out lots of people died to void rays in the first few minutes regardless of coordination of the opposing team. What I'm saying is that these same bad players are always going to die to stupid things regardless of what they are. The fighter carrier builds that people are using after the recent patch is kinda the same thing, to my eyes. It has weaknesses and with some proper responses they can be dealt with. Just like how people used to totally underestimate void ray gank builds and wouldn't run when they see one (people really need to check upgrades on other ships), people are just dying to the new fighter builds because they don't know what they're doing. Once people get used to it I think people will die much less absurdly than they are right now against fighter carrier builds. Ha, my first experience with the interceptor build was pretty hilarious. I had no idea about the patch and didn't read the notes when I played my first post-patch game. It was when carriers can still carry up to 20 interceptors at a time. While besieging the enemy base, one enemy carrier with 12 upgrades in interceptor launched all 20 buggies at me. They literally chased me across the entire map. Despite in green health when I started fleeing, they killed me right before I reached the base. I killed 19 interceptors with my 4 laser upgrades. The last interceptor killed me before dying to the Prism plasma ball. Despite repeatedly pinning the map, none of my teammates warped in to help, likely because I was attacked by not a ship, but 20 interceptors hot on my ass. My "proper" Voidray strategy is taking Warp, 3 speed upgrades and one range, and then just go ninja farm. Watch the minimap like a hawk and run like hell if you see a hint of enemy. Upgrade laser for farming, get cloak, flux, shield armor, armor and everything else into energy, cloak upgrade and damage upgrade. With enough upgrades, the Voidray can hunt any injured ship down with ease. The problem is, of course, you have no deciding power in the outcome of the earlier skirmishes. If your mates decide to suicide, not much you can do about it. If you ditch farming to babysit your teammates, an under-upgraded voidray is just a drag to the team, not contributing enough DPS to be noticeable and not enough HP to tank even the interceptors. Worse yet, your speed advantage is not even guaranteed to be a survival tool as enemy voidrays can keep pace with you. Oh right, and pray to god that the enemy team is composed of dumbass who don't know what an EMP is. Lost so many games with Void, that I stopped using it. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
While besieging the enemy base, one enemy carrier with 12 upgrades in interceptor launched all 20 buggies at me. They literally chased me across the entire map. Despite in green health when I started fleeing, they killed me right before I reached the base. I killed 19 interceptors with my 4 laser upgrades. The last interceptor killed me before dying to the Prism plasma ball. This made me lol though. I'd rage pretty hard if that happened to me. | ||
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VelRa_G
Canada304 Posts
I don't see the point in discussing balance for pub-level gameplay. What if SC2 was patched for Bronze to low Diamond players? Inteceptors might have their niche, but they will always be a gimmick that cannot carry a team nor lead to them dominating tournament play. | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
Hopefully the next patch will better reveal balance issues. | ||
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baconbits
United States419 Posts
On December 22 2010 06:30 Ryalnos wrote: Because there are no chat channels devoted to Star Battle or a competitive scene, it's hard to judge either balance or longevity, because we can only determine how fun it is for the casual/pub scene. Hopefully the next patch will better reveal balance issues. this. Most people don't have premade teams setup, or coordinate on IRC with other premades since there is no ingame chat/meeting ground. faster/easier and little other option beyond hitting join game and clicking star battle. And since there is no matchmaking, whoever joins is who you get. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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liano
20 Posts
I go with 4 lasers into interceptor with graviton beam. then 7 lasers and finally missile. my aim is to get 7 in all 3 weapons. graviton beam is such a good upgrade because you can launch all your interceptors without losing your momentum and with less laser/missile DPS loss since it's faster to launch | ||
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cutelittlescv
United States1 Post
1.71 movement speed Energy Nova 225/225 energy ---[~600-800minerals]--- 1.81 movement speed Purifier Beam Charge 325/325 energy ---[~600-800minerals]--- 1.91 movement speed [as to the following get whichever is important first] Blink Cloak 425/425 energy ---[~600-800minerals]--- Shields: 1 Plating: 1 Shields: 2 Plating: 2 Shields: 3 Plating: 3 Shields: 4 Plating: 4 Shields: 5 Plating: 5 etc, etc HUGE economic advantage early game. In addition, provides protection from those annoying Carrier-Interceptor builds.Kill enemy wraiths, interceptors, mutalisks, phoenixes, etc, etc People click on my Void Ray and wonder where all the upgrades into Prismatic Beam, Plasma Disrupters, etc, etc, but as soon as they see Purifier Beam (combined with Charge) it's game. I ordinarily don't upgrade Prismatic Beam, seeing that it must be combined with Charge, speed dmg upgrades, etc. Purifier Beam is a no brainer for me. Have fun with the build!  | ||
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Ryalnos
United States1946 Posts
1. Lasers > energy nova early on. 2. Purifier beam is not really that strong and is the weakest of the energy-drain abilities. Prismatic beam is the most cost effective dps in the game (+18% damage per upgrade) and has great synergy with charge. 3. Blink+cloak+high speed ups+shield+plating is too much money spent on safety. Rely more on game sense and channel that money into being useful to the team. | ||
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LastEmperor
United Kingdom1 Post
Does anyone have any ideas on how to prevent this? Thanks! | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
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Aeo
United States113 Posts
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