dezi's map thread

On November 24 2010 18:40 iGrok wrote:
I'm really liking Beau Geste so far. What does that mean?

And did you use the liquid upload tool?

On November 25 2010 03:57 dezi wrote:
Mh, updated the OP once again with the 1.0 version of Verdun.

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On November 25 2010 06:54 dezi wrote:
Another ramp? Gonna look how this will affect the distances and about the HY - if you look at LT / Meta it's also imbalanced if both start close and one takes the HY. So i don't gonna change this.

On November 30 2010 16:27 dezi wrote:
So you would like to see a more open middle area? This map will be tested in a small tourney on the page i'm in to and i'll hopefully gonna get enough input to do necessary changes then :D

On December 01 2010 07:57 dezi wrote:
To clearfy this - you can't pass those cliffs in the mid.

On December 09 2010 12:50 Antares777 wrote:
Why wouldn't a Terran lift his CC off right at the start and take their island on Sedan?

On December 09 2010 12:50 Antares777 wrote:
Why wouldn't a Terran lift his CC off right at the start and take their island on Sedan?

You need to totally rethink those in base islands on that map. Maybe move the DR to cover the actual base sight instead of the choke to it? That would fix it.

I am really impressed with all of the ramps and their placements on Verdun, it reminds me of BW maps in a strange way

On December 09 2010 12:55 DeliciousPi wrote:


If you lift to the back base, you'll lose a ton of time producing nothing. Meanwhile your opponent can produce anything they want to get ahead. You'd be better off walling your ramp with whatever you're going to be building anyway.

On December 09 2010 10:19 visual77 wrote:
I think on a map of this size, watch towers are almost a must. There are simply too many routes that drops could take to just rely on spread out scout units. The tower coverage should have holes, of course, but to have no towers at all is too extreme on the other side.

On December 29 2010 22:54 Dezire wrote:
i like ure nick x]

On January 09 2011 19:02 Icebergue wrote:
Very nice maps. You shoul've used Tambora in the Map of The Month Tournament

On January 09 2011 17:55 TheMonkeyMon wrote:
One quick question: What are the chances that we'll see these maps on the NA server? I love playing on new maps, and yours look beautiful.

On January 09 2011 16:33 Deekin[ wrote:
Awesome maps. Why dont you guys here making maps go together and try to write a letter or two to Blizzard or Gom.tv (GSL) suggesting some of the maps you have made here on teamliquid.net. I think it would be really cool since GSL recently announced (well kind of) through NsP.Genius that they will remove some maps until the next GSL and they obviously want to fill those spots with some other maps and maybe even add a couple more even.

Gj so far

On January 09 2011 16:33 Deekin[ wrote:
Awesome maps. Why dont you guys here making maps go together and try to write a letter or two to Blizzard or Gom.tv (GSL) suggesting some of the maps you have made here on teamliquid.net. I think it would be really cool since GSL recently announced (well kind of) through NsP.Genius that they will remove some maps until the next GSL and they obviously want to fill those spots with some other maps and maybe even add a couple more even.

Gj so far

On January 10 2011 02:47 dezi wrote:
You want me to contact them? I would rather suggest that the map community from TL as whole should get in contact with the GSL.

On January 10 2011 02:47 dezi wrote:
You want me to contact them? I would rather suggest that the map community from TL as whole should get in contact with the GSL.

On January 10 2011 08:57 dezi wrote:
I'm proud to announce that The Crucible made it in the Top 5 of the MotM #1 (check here).

On January 13 2011 09:39 Antares777 wrote:
I like the concept for Verdun. I like how that even though there is high ground outside the natural, but it is still hard to put a contain on the defending player because of the path into the third that is on the same ground. This is a really good feature to have on a map. The low ground in the middle of the map would only receive attention in cross spawns I think, which isn't a bad thing. Aesthetics are really good and get across the demolished wasteland environment of the map.

I do not like the location of the XWTs. They are too easy to mass units at in their current location.

On January 13 2011 10:26 dezi wrote:

Im also not that satisfied about the but i currently don't know a better alternative.

On January 14 2011 03:08 Madsquare wrote:
About Verdun:
- I would just remove the watchtowers if you feel they serve no layout relevant prupose anymore.
- If you spawn clockwise of your opponent, theres just those small ramps connecting your third. With new the passage to the third the counter clockwise spawning player has more room.
One player can actually move an army to his third while the other is very truncated. I think you should widen the ramps to the clockwise thirds.

On January 14 2011 02:42 Samro225am wrote:
i am unsure if protoss might be underpowered on this map. no real chokes anywhere. only opportunity might be the highround at centre with blink/cliffwalking, but then there is the extra higground ontop that will be unwalkable I guess.
probably you want to add two expansions on central cliff at the positions where you now have the extra cliff level. you will have to expend the cliff a bit towards third(?) creating a choke on lowground there.

On January 14 2011 20:44 dezi wrote:
Mh, changing the mid to low ground means i have to scrap the lvl 2 areas and raise the now level 1 areas to level 2 and level 0 to level 1. That's why i'm unsure if this would still fit the theme i want to give this map.

- widen the ramp blocked by rocks if possible (should still be blocked by 1 or 2+ sets of rocks)

On January 15 2011 02:47 dezi wrote:
Gonna work on those ideas tomorrow (gonna go watch Bundesliga soon ^^). Gonna see how this will look like (but for now concept 1 seems the to be the best version). Btw. where do you suggest to place those small ramps you mentioned Madsquare (PS: The name comes from the K-Pop band T-ara i was listening to while working on this one).

FYI: The blocked ramp is a double wide ramp blocked by a 6x6 rock.

Also drew another 4 player concept. It takes some ideas of Verdun but concludes in a complete different shape.

-136x136 playable size
-will use a pimped agria tileset (different man made cliff and some other textures)
-maybe gonna flood some areas like in Flushing Meadows

On January 15 2011 19:05 Samro225am wrote:
reminds me of ICCup Europa with all these ramps from nat up and back down into third in both directions
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generally good concept. in comparison to Europa i lke that there is no extra ramps into a lower centre.

i think it could be interesting to have a really different centre. why not try something different? get rid of xelnagawatchtower and make a diamondshape plateau (pretty much between all small stone towers in centre). then you can only control a fourth in the middle when you control this little mountain top :D
think this would make it a bit more unique and interesting. make it motm-2
tiara is nice, but probably a bit conservative/boring imho..

On January 16 2011 04:11 Antares777 wrote:
I like Samro's version and your version, they are both really good and the middles are entirely different. I can't really chose one over the other.

When is iCCup going to add you to their mapping team lol?

On January 22 2011 22:56 Samro225am wrote:
inner part of central area could be bigger. pathing will be painfull with bigger groups of units when entring via the LoSBs and turning left or right towards ramp. make it a bit wider here.

the highground at nat entrance could be shorter, then yopu have more space in front to contain and punish turtling. imagin a terran turtling up there with siegetanks, then you cannot pass by in front of ramp without getting killed instantly.

On February 10 2011 04:19 dezi wrote:
Also got 2 additional concepts i don't want to share right now :p

On February 27 2011 07:25 dezi wrote:
There are so much good maps in this board (the maps from the iCCup guys, maps from Samro, NullCurrent, funcmode, johanaz, Madsquare, ... and so much more that it's just a shame i can't recall their names right now) that i still wonder WHY blizz still tries to create stupid maps instead of just get in contact with some of us.

On February 27 2011 10:02 dezi wrote:
One Must Fall, Krakatoa and The Crucible are now also available at NA and the first 2 also at SEA, thanks to you guys who helped me to publish them there (don't want to spoil your names here, you're allowed to do this on your own ^^).

On February 28 2011 07:12 MavercK wrote:
one must fall is your newest?
i love it.

BUT.
the rocks in the center i'd rather see as a permenant wall/gap

also considering using it for SC2BW. will get back to you on that

On February 28 2011 02:59 spinnaker wrote:
///edit³: just played on Sedan. Awesome layout!

On March 03 2011 00:34 spinnaker wrote:
One must fall
Some Zergs complained, that they can be contained into their Main + Natural quite easily. I am not really sure if that's a balance issue or more of a skill issue since many maps allow for that kind of contain. But here's an (imho) nice idea that came up: Placing a backdoor with rocks to the main would give Zerg an additional opportunity to break out and to be aggressive thus adding some additional strategic depth. Dunno if it can be done that easily since the height difference is 2 instead of 1.

On March 03 2011 00:34 spinnaker wrote:
Sedan
Pretty cool macro-oriented map, but it felt like the backdoor expo can be taken too easily by terran. An really easy way to fix this might be just placing the rocks right on the expo-spot instead of the choke. Also removing some of the buildings in the middle would help Zerg a lot by providing more space. I'm not sure if it would be better to remove the center building or the four buildings. The first option would give a fairly big central space to fight on, while still restricting access to the ramps while removing the four surrounding buildings would grant more access to the ramp but also provide some sort of ring to fight on but also leave the watch towers kinda in the open.

On March 03 2011 00:34 spinnaker wrote:
Verdun
At first we were pretty concerned that this map would punish zerg a lot, because of the cliffs at the Natural and that the 3rd is quite far away. But with proper map control and positioning this isn't a big issue. You also place the cliff at the natural in a manner that the siege tank is always in roach range when he wants to shell the hatchery. Kudos on that! Only issue is, that the middle could be a bit more open. We almost never broke the rocks in the middle, since destroying them doesn't offer much of an advantage.
Also, i was ordered to praise you by our zerg players for providing a huge amount of small cliffs to place overlords on (orange dots). They provide a good way of getting map control even with the abscence of watch towers. Nicely done and a cool, unique feature of the map.

On March 03 2011 00:34 spinnaker wrote:
Could you also pm me your char-id? Would be very cool . Mine is Diamond/598 on EU.

On March 03 2011 01:37 dezi wrote:
I'm sorry, but i don't think gonna add a backdoor to the main. I hate them on my own and it might put the defender on a bigger disadvantage. I would also need 2 ramps (get "climb" those two cliffs) which wouldn't look good and i'm actually very happy how the map feels when playing.

If i encounter furthermore problems with this i might gonna create a backdoor but i might gonna block both of the needed ramps, too.

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This is how this might look like and if you ask me: this will create the same issue as on Shakuras Plateau with on the connected spawns > tanks there and rines moving in and out to roflstomp your main (tech).
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On February 28 2011 04:26 ImmortalTofu wrote:


Haha, I'll take my due credit for One Must Fall, Krakatoa, and The Crucible on NA! Thanks for all the work you do dezi!

On July 18 2011 23:46 dezi wrote:

Texture job finally done on Dylarian Shipyards ... took years -_-

On July 19 2011 00:10 spinnaker wrote:
I can spot a P and a W, but where it the T to complete TPW?