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On October 23 2008 22:37 Polar_Bear wrote:
If Stork won 50 games in a row and JD lost 50 games in a row, would they put Stork above Jaedong?
well... maybe.
Even if Storks loses to Forgg and Best he has to be above Jaedong.
It was kind of lucky that JD had to face Free, not only for him, but also for the fans. At least there were some entertaining games to watch, not like Forgg vs. JD.
JD dropped 5 games to medium players last month, Stork dropped 5 games to medium players during the last 6 months.
Players who stand a chance vs. Stork in a bo3/bo5: Best, Bisu, Jaedong, (July)
Players who stand a chance vs. Jaedong in a bo3/bo5: free, Bisu, (Jangbi)... how many Terran's are there in Kespa top 100?
stfu, u clearly are a JD hater ,and u say alot of stupid shit, no offence.
I agree that JD shouldn`t be #1 next PR. But only coz he lost to free u say that he`ll lose to all terrans, chh, I don`t even know why I bother with u...I`m almost sure there are more players that can beat stork in a BoX.
...and no, if stork loses to forgg and best he wouldn`t be above JD, Best would.
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Yes,Stork is really more impressive right now,but if he loses 3-0 to Best and 2-1 to ForGG,there is no way in hell he has to be above JD. Who do you call mediocre player? Free? Free is one of the best tosses out there right now. Sangho? He is truly mediocre,but shit happens. Stork even lost an ace match against Type-b,who is not really good against P. So first,watch some fuckin' games. And Jd the underdog against all terran players? Go and get help.
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United States13143 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [MSL spoilers] +Ignoring for the moment the order of Jaedong, Best, and Stork(since that will partially get decided by matches that haven't been played yet), I think that free needs on the rank, probably replacing Hwasin. After all, free has been doing really well in proleague and just eliminated Jaedong from the MSL in a ridiculously good game, while Hwasin has managed to get eliminated from both the MSL and GSL and can't seem to consistently win anything but TvTs since he lost to Jaedong in the last MSL.
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bisu needs to go up in the rank.
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+ Show Spoiler +No,Hwasin has nothing to do on PR,even last month,he did not belong there. Even in his strongest MU,he has been losing to Effort and type-b,who are great players, don't get me wrong, but if somebody is the best T v Z player,he should defeat every zerg,except for maybe one. I think the winner of tomorrows games should be given the top spot,no matter what Stork does in the Msl. The loser should be on 2nd or 3rd,it depends. Jaedong should be on 2nd,3rd or 4th,depending on how he will play the rest of his games this months,and how do Fantasy, Stork and Best perform. On fifth,I think Free is the right choice,he is that fucking impressive lately. Bisu on 6th,people will crucify me,but Flash on 7th,because he didn't do anything impressive lately. 8th FBH,because he is pretty good and solid. 9th should be Jangbi,because he is great lately,and 10th ForGG. But it's too early,there still is a week till the next month,and at least one other week till the new PR(prove me wrong FS and OneOther) This is just my opinion.
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I honestly think flash should drop out of PR all together, unless he starts to play decent again
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Hes playing good again, he held off 2fact with a 14cc build. But I wouldn't place him too high, those were easy opponents. He just delivered like he was supposed to.
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United States10774 Posts
On October 23 2008 20:03 Darth Peter wrote:
Best's P v T=Stork's P v T. Everybody is talking about Storks P v T being much,better,than Best's, but Best hasn't shown any weakness in P v T either in the last two months,so I think they are equal.
Best's PvZ<Stork's P v Z. In this Mu,Stork is clearly better,but he cannot beat JD either,and the list of Zerg players dominating Best is still short,and I think except Jd or July,he can still beat any zerg in a bo series. Not to mention Storks's P v Z isn't the best either,losing for example to Type-b,who is great against T, but not so great against P.
And the P v P. I think Best's is better by far,but we will see that tomorrow. My point is,that no matter who wins tomorrow,he should definitely be no1 in the next PR,should it be Best or Stork.
Yes, I agree. Whoever wins tomorrow will most likely be #1, unless Fantasy wins I guess? By the way I don't think it's fair to use Stork's game against Type-B as an example. He lost to an all-in. Any Protoss player can drop a game to any Zerg if the all-in is executed flawlessly.
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@critical people: I've been following the scene since Grrrr... beat TheBoy in 2001 and I watched nearly all the games on Jon747's and nevake's account (and several 100s replays etc.), so I might actually know, what I'm talking about. Probably my point doesn't seem to be that obvious at the moment, so I'd like to explain it. I'm not a JD hater, in fact, I agree that he is one of the greatest players of all time (hard to say, but maybe #5 or s.th. like this). At the moment, Zerg is a little underrepresented, so he's a very important player as well (SC with only 2 races would be boring imo).
JD's micro is insane (especially Mutas vs. Z) and his games are also quite interesting to watch, cause he does creative things frequently (e.g. early borrow). The thing is, that after WCG Korea, Stork has been playing just much better than JD. He gets better results and plays far more convincing. Stork's play vs. mediocre players is extremely solid (imo mediocre means not kespa top 15, but not really bad), when he loses, it's almost always vs. other top players. JD's ZvT looks fucking shaky at the moment, watch his games vs. Frozean and gogo. And without participation in any important league, I don't see any reason for putting JD above Stork. It's obvious, that JD gets good results vs. Stork when he faces him directly, but that's not the point. Stork dominates players like forgg and JD gets dominated by them. Plz be true to yourself: Could you imagine free beating Stork in a bo3 at the moment? Right now, JD is in a slump, though his records are still pretty impressive. His PL wins vs. Flash and Best were just total failures by the opponents. Flash's 14 CC in TvZ was just nuts, and Best... well, it was his worst televised game. JD is still the 2nd best player in the world atm, but he has to recover to hold this or to get the top spot back. As a Bisu fan, I don't really like Stork, I just think, that people should give him the credit he deserves and his latest games were just great.
And just one word about free: He is good vs. Zerg, but the last time he beat the best Zerg player was in 2006. I might be wrong, but I don't consider him as a possible champion anytime soon. He has shown very good games recently, but I think Frozean or Bisu will be too much for him.
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Now that's a good post,you make points there,and you are absolutely right. I agree with everything you said. I am too a Bisu fan,and I don't like Stork,so I can only hope that Best pawns him today.
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Jangbi and Yarnc for PR
Hwasin out...
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On October 24 2008 14:19 Polar_Bear wrote:
@critical people: I've been following the scene since Grrrr... beat TheBoy in 2001 and I watched nearly all the games on Jon747's and nevake's account (and several 100s replays etc.), so I might actually know, what I'm talking about. Probably my point doesn't seem to be that obvious at the moment, so I'd like to explain it. I'm not a JD hater, in fact, I agree that he is one of the greatest players of all time (hard to say, but maybe #5 or s.th. like this). At the moment, Zerg is a little underrepresented, so he's a very important player as well (SC with only 2 races would be boring imo).
JD's micro is insane (especially Mutas vs. Z) and his games are also quite interesting to watch, cause he does creative things frequently (e.g. early borrow). The thing is, that after WCG Korea, Stork has been playing just much better than JD. He gets better results and plays far more convincing. Stork's play vs. mediocre players is extremely solid (imo mediocre means not kespa top 15, but not really bad), when he loses, it's almost always vs. other top players. JD's ZvT looks fucking shaky at the moment, watch his games vs. Frozean and gogo. And without participation in any important league, I don't see any reason for putting JD above Stork. It's obvious, that JD gets good results vs. Stork when he faces him directly, but that's not the point. Stork dominates players like forgg and JD gets dominated by them. Plz be true to yourself: Could you imagine free beating Stork in a bo3 at the moment? Right now, JD is in a slump, though his records are still pretty impressive. His PL wins vs. Flash and Best were just total failures by the opponents. Flash's 14 CC in TvZ was just nuts, and Best... well, it was his worst televised game. JD is still the 2nd best player in the world atm, but he has to recover to hold this or to get the top spot back. As a Bisu fan, I don't really like Stork, I just think, that people should give him the credit he deserves and his latest games were just great.
And just one word about free: He is good vs. Zerg, but the last time he beat the best Zerg player was in 2006. I might be wrong, but I don't consider him as a possible champion anytime soon. He has shown very good games recently, but I think Frozean or Bisu will be too much for him.
ok so firstly, JD isn`t slumping...but we`ll have to see. He maybe is in the begining of a slump.
Secondly, ur point isn`t correct. Here`s an example: JD>July (it may not be 100% the case in every game, but still it is) and July>Stork. But even better JD>stork. The same maybe with best...but i dunno if best > stork ^^. The thing is the PR isn`t about this(direct matches or blabla)
+ have u watched JDs games vs go.go and frozean ? I so, why do u count them as examples ?
...but all in all ur post is OK, and I actually agree with u: stork>jd this month, but this month only 
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Valhalla18444 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [OSL SPOILER] +a certain someone COULD BE #1 next month.. is fakesteve really going to put him there?
has the world has gone topsy-turvy?! tune in november to find out!
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On October 24 2008 20:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:+ Show Spoiler [OSL SPOILER] +a certain someone COULD BE #1 next month.. is fakesteve really going to put him there?
has the world has gone topsy-turvy?! tune in november to find out!
I hope u do the November's PR :s
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On October 24 2008 20:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:+ Show Spoiler [OSL SPOILER] +a certain someone COULD BE #1 next month.. is fakesteve really going to put him there?
has the world has gone topsy-turvy?! tune in november to find out!
Yes I agree, its time for Bisu to take the #1 again :-) You could however wait until after he wins MSL if you must. NonY will have to settle for #2 atm.
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On October 24 2008 20:33 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:+ Show Spoiler [OSL SPOILER] +a certain someone COULD BE #1 next month.. is fakesteve really going to put him there?
has the world has gone topsy-turvy?! tune in november to find out!
HELL IT'S ABOUT TIME !!!!
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
the PR should be released right after the OSL finals imo (Nov. 1st), and the winner of that should be No.1+ Show Spoiler +you know, so "he who must not be named" isn't first
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United States10774 Posts
Jaedong is getting demoted two spots
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On October 25 2008 05:57 OneOther wrote:
Jaedong is getting demoted two spots
WTF 2 spots ? Seems fair , but who will take the second spot Free ? I can't think of enyone who is worthy .....
And BTW please don't let it be Fantasy he sucks even if he is in finals and even if he wins it 
I think despite Fantasy being in the final if he doesn't put up a good fight he doesn't deserve second .
Am i the only one who thinks if ForGG beats Stork somehow in MSL he should sky rocket to second ? You really throwed him in the garbage where he has only lost one series vs Stork and Much ( before like 2 or 3 months) when he was hot . ForGG 2 - 0 his though TvT group in MSL and he seems untouchable in TvT when you look at the PL and that was his worst MU couped with that he is the defending MSL champion if he somehow beats Stork he should be high .He got axed to 9 place after he beat his MSL group no problem where Bisu and Hwasin weren't that much impressive , and Flash sucked .
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