July – With all the love for oov’s wins over a cheesy Bisu, a slumping Nada and Reach, and a never-was ForU, everyone seems to have forgotten that you’re 6-2 since August and in <i>both</i> Starleagues. You need to tread carefully, though; you have the dubious honor of being in the OSL “group of death” with Iris, Hwasin, and Light.
Oov – If you’d made it through the ODT, the decision to add you to the Power Rank would have been made for me. As is, I’m having a hard time overlooking your recent losses to Up, Luxury, and Lomo.
Flash – I hate to keeping saying it, Flash—actually, I love saying it—but your overall game management just isn’t that good. You clearly know how to macro, but your game sense and late-game management betray your lack of experience.
Well I have to say that if you must go out, go out with a band and I think you accomplished that. You put out a good powerrank that raised a lot of good points. Thanks for all the time you spent writing the power ranks and hf with your newly acquired time!
id like jaedong to be higher just because of the amount of ass he is about to kick but everyone above him has accomplished more recently so i guess thats fair.
Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.
Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.
On October 02 2007 11:12 IdrA wrote: id like jaedong to be higher just because of the amount of ass he is about to kick but everyone above him has accomplished more recently so i guess thats fair.
agreed from here too. other than that, nice read! and its a hella nice thing that protoss players are reaching higher up these days.. and savior's trying to claw back in good shape as well.
Excellent writeup. I'm sure we all know how that feels Etter (I definately do). We're all thankful for your devotion and the entertainment you've brought here. The Power Rank is probably one of the most simple, yet popular feature offered at TLnet.
As always your analysis is pretty accurate. Whenever I question a judgement I'll read your reasoning and end up being satisfied with those reasons.
pretty even considering 3rd placed Z is going through a slump and there's another Z (jaedong) about to charge up the rankings.
Who said SC was imba?
In regards to Savior... well we all know what a Genius Nada is. I mean, if you want someone to defeat an IMPOSSIBLE UMS just call him (as vouched for by Rekrul). The guys an APM machine and he's very knowledgable about Starcraft. But then, why is he not top? Simple... SC is a mindgame. Where as in FPS a good aim can save you, in sc no amount of APM can save you against a perfect counter. We see it all the time with 300 APM players going down to 120 APM players and such.
So, I would like to propose that Savior's lost the mindgame. Opponents are getting used to him and his style of play. They can get inside his head and guess what he's about to do. This is particularly easy for lower rank players who've been able to analyse saviors game, but have not played that many televised games themselves. This is why you see someone like Oov trudge through a set of extremely skilled players and then lose to lesser known/shittier players.
It's the circle of life. It's what keeps SC new and fresh. Coz if you think about it, all these players have similar/same APMs. What sets them apart is their star sense and style of play.
Many thanks for an awesome Power Rank commentary over the months DJ. I fully expect to see Fakesteve be just as hilarious and accurate in his own way. GL to both, and I agree with the PR of this month. Hwasin and Jaedong are going to have an interesting time.
On October 02 2007 11:25 zer0das wrote: Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.
Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.
There were only two people on par with free in proleague last season - Stork and Sea. Flash was a reliable ace, but he's more readily likened to Calm than to Free, as Free saw a lot more games than Flash did.
On October 02 2007 11:25 zer0das wrote: Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.
Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.
There were only two people on par with free in proleague last season - Stork and Sea. Flash was a reliable ace, but he's more readily likened to Calm than to Free, as Free saw a lot more games than Flash did.
On October 02 2007 11:25 zer0das wrote: Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.
Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.
There were only two people on par with free in proleague last season - Stork and Sea. Flash was a reliable ace, but he's more readily likened to Calm than to Free, as Free saw a lot more games than Flash did.
On October 02 2007 11:12 IdrA wrote: id like jaedong to be higher just because of the amount of ass he is about to kick but everyone above him has accomplished more recently so i guess thats fair.
ya i was a little sad that Jaedong isn't getting the respect he deserves. I think he also has a strong ZvZ matchup that people forget about
I'm curious about one thing... why do you always leave iloveoov off your powerrank? I mean give me a break.. the guy is definately top 10 in the world right now. He was on a massive winning streak last time I checked. WHERE IS OOV????
btw, i think jaedong hasn't played that much zvz lately, that's why it's not mentioned. His skill is in no doubt in that match-up. Last (or previous?) season went almost undefeated in zvz... and i remember that game vs Clon with 1 less bugged drone :D
On October 03 2007 00:43 stk01001 wrote: I'm curious about one thing... why do you always leave iloveoov off your powerrank? I mean give me a break.. the guy is definately top 10 in the world right now. He was on a massive winning streak last time I checked. WHERE IS OOV????
His last 6 wins consist (According to TLPD):
NaDa, who iloveoov has always been crushing, NaDa is also considered slumping right now.
Nal_KeKe, pretty much a no-name, nothing special in winning this guy.
Reach, ..not considered a "top-progamer", nothing special in winning him.
Bisu, thats the only nice win out of these in my opinion, and its just a 1-0.
And before those games he went on a 5 lose streak.
etter, your ranking is great and i am for one glad that people still have faith in savior. he's not out just because of a few proleague losses, everyone knows a champion shows results in individual leagues
On October 03 2007 01:42 PePe QuiCoSE wrote: he is in close but no cigar
btw, i think jaedong hasn't played that much zvz lately, that's why it's not mentioned. His skill is in no doubt in that match-up. Last (or previous?) season went almost undefeated in zvz... and i remember that game vs Clon with 1 less bugged drone :D
The reason he doesn't play a lot of ZvZ is because it's his strongest, the other coaches avoid it if possible.
I've seen 3 Savior games over the past month. 1 of them was that loss to Flash, the other two were absolutely UNREAL ZvP's. He looked every bit savior-like in those two games, defending himself from impossible situations and taking hopelessly dire situations and turning them into wins. I think it's definitely fair to say Savior belongs in top 5 strongest players at the moment
On October 03 2007 08:37 Purind wrote: I've seen 3 Savior games over the past month. 1 of them was that loss to Flash, the other two were absolutely UNREAL ZvP's. He looked every bit savior-like in those two games, defending himself from impossible situations and taking hopelessly dire situations and turning them into wins. I think it's definitely fair to say Savior belongs in top 5 strongest players at the moment
Unfortunately, most of the games that he looks lost in are against Terrans... it feels like the only ones he's managed to beat as of late are the weaker ones he's had to face in MSL/OSL. It'll be interesting to see if he finds himself in the later rounds.
Sorry to see you go etter, but i kind of thought it was coming after that odd amount of wating time, but i'm glad you passed the torch to a worthy person atleast, fakesteve should do a great job, looking forward to his colorful personality making a splash all over the power rank. It's very respectable that you stepped down when you released your quality could decline if you continue doing it without your heart into it. It's a shame to lose both you (somewhat) and the legend manifesto7 all in one month, almost too much to bear.
On October 02 2007 11:25 zer0das wrote: Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.
Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.
There were only two people on par with free in proleague last season - Stork and Sea. Flash was a reliable ace, but he's more readily likened to Calm than to Free, as Free saw a lot more games than Flash did.
Those were my thoughts exactly. There is no way you can say that Flash and Free are on the same level in Proleague. Sure they may currently have the same record this season, but Free has the past success to back up his position from last season, while Flash does not have that same success in his past.
On October 02 2007 11:25 zer0das wrote: Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.
Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.
There were only two people on par with free in proleague last season - Stork and Sea. Flash was a reliable ace, but he's more readily likened to Calm than to Free, as Free saw a lot more games than Flash did.
Those were my thoughts exactly. There is no way you can say that Flash and Free are on the same level in Proleague. Sure they may currently have the same record this season, but Free has the past success to back up his position from last season, while Flash does not have that same success in his past.
I think this position is a bit ridiculous given that Flash got deep into OSL/MSL last season... it isn't about last season, this is the power ranking. Yes, Free's Proleague performance last season is the back of my mind, but I don't think that has much to do with his performance this season, now does it?
The claim I made is simply this: Flash has been about on par with Free in this season's Proleague thus far. Disagree with that statement if you want, but placing too much emphasis on one player's past season over another's isn't being terribly logical about things.
Sidenote: I'm not a huge fan of Flash by any means, in fact I'm glad he's out of MSL, but I do think that there are arguments for putting him in the 10 spot (I wouldn't put him over Free... personally I think Light is probably getting more benefit of the doubt than he should, so I'd probably stick Free at 9 and Flash at 10).
On October 02 2007 11:25 zer0das wrote: Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.
Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.
There were only two people on par with free in proleague last season - Stork and Sea. Flash was a reliable ace, but he's more readily likened to Calm than to Free, as Free saw a lot more games than Flash did.
Those were my thoughts exactly. There is no way you can say that Flash and Free are on the same level in Proleague. Sure they may currently have the same record this season, but Free has the past success to back up his position from last season, while Flash does not have that same success in his past.
I think this position is a bit ridiculous given that Flash got deep into OSL/MSL last season... it isn't about last season, this is the power ranking. Yes, Free's Proleague performance last season is the back of my mind, but I don't think that has much to do with his performance this season, now does it?
The claim I made is simply this: Flash has been about on par with Free in this season's Proleague thus far. Disagree with that statement if you want, but placing too much emphasis on one player's past season over another's isn't being terribly logical about things.
Sidenote: I'm not a huge fan of Flash by any means, in fact I'm glad he's out of MSL, but I do think that there are arguments for putting him in the 10 spot (I wouldn't put him over Free... personally I think Light is probably getting more benefit of the doubt than he should, so I'd probably stick Free at 9 and Flash at 10).
Of course performance last season has some to do with performance this season. If someone looks completely in form last season, and hasn't looked to be in decline this season, it can still be assumed that they are in top form. If someone only did good last season and they win a couple games this season, they could have either just hit a lucky streak or be getting better, but we won't know until more games are under that player's belt. Three games is a very small sample size.
To make a comparison take a look at the NFL Power rank that ESPN does each week. The Colts, Patriots, Cowboys and the Packers are all 4-0, but the Packers are ranked below the other three because of their performance last season and the caliber of opponents they have played against this season. The Colts, Cowboys and Patriots have their credibility to support them from last season when they all did well. Their power is supported as such and the Packers' power may only just be a lucky streak rather than true power.
Back to Flash and Free. In flash games he doesn't display power on the same level as free, in porleague as well. His game sense is not as developed. He may be great at macro and have some good timing builds for the early game, but even in his wins I'm not convinced that he couldn't be playing much better if he had more instinct and knowledge in the game. He is newer to the scene and still needs time to develop these skills. Free on the other hand, has shown more promise in these categories both in more recent and last season's games. To say that last season can't be considered for this power ranking is not logical. I'm not saying that heavy emphasis should be placed there; but all other things being relatively equal (or even just close) then to disregard past performance at all would betray logic.
That being said, as far as Power Ranking goes OSL > MSL > PL > Other Events
Free is into the MSL Round of 16 at 2-0. Flash is out of the MSL now and hasn't played a game in the OSL.
Light got through both Survivor and Dual Tournament into the Starleagues without a single game loss, and having not been qualified for either and making it into both is an accomplishent in itself. Sure the same could be said of Flash, but he has already fallen from one of the leagues, Light hasn't. Light then went on to defeat Hwasin in his first OSL game.
On October 02 2007 11:25 zer0das wrote: Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.
Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.
There were only two people on par with free in proleague last season - Stork and Sea. Flash was a reliable ace, but he's more readily likened to Calm than to Free, as Free saw a lot more games than Flash did.
Those were my thoughts exactly. There is no way you can say that Flash and Free are on the same level in Proleague. Sure they may currently have the same record this season, but Free has the past success to back up his position from last season, while Flash does not have that same success in his past.
I think this position is a bit ridiculous given that Flash got deep into OSL/MSL last season... it isn't about last season, this is the power ranking. Yes, Free's Proleague performance last season is the back of my mind, but I don't think that has much to do with his performance this season, now does it?
The claim I made is simply this: Flash has been about on par with Free in this season's Proleague thus far. Disagree with that statement if you want, but placing too much emphasis on one player's past season over another's isn't being terribly logical about things.
Sidenote: I'm not a huge fan of Flash by any means, in fact I'm glad he's out of MSL, but I do think that there are arguments for putting him in the 10 spot (I wouldn't put him over Free... personally I think Light is probably getting more benefit of the doubt than he should, so I'd probably stick Free at 9 and Flash at 10).
Of course performance last season has some to do with performance this season. If someone looks completely in form last season, and hasn't looked to be in decline this season, it can still be assumed that they are in top form. If someone only did good last season and they win a couple games this season, they could have either just hit a lucky streak or be getting better, but we won't know until more games are under that player's belt. Three games is a very small sample size.
That last line would be my point. Inferring too much about how a progamer is going to play in the future based on how they are playing now is walking a fine line. Free's game against Intercalm? He looked pretty terrible. I'd argue the sports analogy is a poor one, because a team very well may play well on the whole, but the individual player's performance in any one game is going to vary quite a bit.
if HwaSin was 1....this website would be a joke....he is getting good, impressive victories, but considering the situation the two are in, Bisu has had much more impressive victories when it really counted.
ggplay sucked ass in the last OSL match he had, we willl see if that previous osl was a fluke or not. oh by the way, sea wont be on power rank next month.. knocked out of both osl and msl... sucker ><
On October 10 2007 05:40 koryano321 wrote: ggplay sucked ass in the last OSL match he had, we willl see if that previous osl was a fluke or not. oh by the way, sea wont be on power rank next month.. knocked out of both osl and msl... sucker ><
I don't dig the whole "fluke OSL" thing. A player that has won OSL has showed top tier and clutch game. GGPlay displayed one of the best ZvT i have ever seen in his series against Flash, Hwasin and Iris. He owned his group by beating Stork, Up, and even Casy. He also tore through preliminaries and odt 4-0. Winning an OSL with such a strong (14-5) with suck art games is a fluke??? I don't think so. I think the whole "fluke SL" concept is anti - player bias.
On October 10 2007 05:40 koryano321 wrote: ggplay sucked ass in the last OSL match he had, we willl see if that previous osl was a fluke or not. oh by the way, sea wont be on power rank next month.. knocked out of both osl and msl... sucker ><
agreed to an extent, although he did WIN the last OSL which makes him rightful claim to his skills. He is a great zerg, with amazing zvt but #3 is really high for a player of his caliber. players like Stork, HwaSin, even Sea deserve it over him
GGplay's weakest matchup is ZvP and he is weakest in the earlygame. It's natural that Bisu playing at full capacity is going to be an exceptionally difficult matchup for GGplay. that doesn't excuse his loss, but his OSL performance was a great sucess in ZvT for him. He's not really fluke, although I don't think it can be denied he had a good lineup of players with which to demonstrate his best matchup.
On October 10 2007 22:26 HaXxorIzed wrote: GGplay's weakest matchup is ZvP and he is weakest in the earlygame. It's natural that Bisu playing at full capacity is going to be an exceptionally difficult matchup for GGplay. that doesn't excuse his loss, but his OSL performance was a great sucess in ZvT for him. He's not really fluke, although I don't think it can be denied he had a good lineup of players with which to demonstrate his best matchup.
Why did GGPlay choice Bisu ? If he knows that his weakst matchup is ZvP and Bisu probably the best PvZ in the world.
Sometimes I really get confused from the strategy by choice opponent. I think the OSL curse was actually also caused by stupid decision from the OSL winner.
On October 11 2007 02:22 neotoss wrote: Why did GGPlay choice Bisu ? If he knows that his weakst matchup is ZvP and Bisu probably the best PvZ in the world.
Sometimes I really get confused from the strategy by choice opponent. I think the OSL curse was actually also caused by stupid decision from the OSL winner.
TBh, I can't fathom why the hell GGplay picked Bisu at all, other than to prove himself. Which seems a little foolish, given GGplay getting to the semifinals would prove far more than an early exit.
On October 11 2007 05:47 shinigami wrote: I think he wanted to be at least be known for his courage to take on challenges... even when it's completely stacked against him.
Well, it's better than chickening out and losing fan support over it.
Maybe he should have picked some super terran instead.
On October 11 2007 02:22 neotoss wrote: Why did GGPlay choice Bisu ? If he knows that his weakst matchup is ZvP and Bisu probably the best PvZ in the world.
Sometimes I really get confused from the strategy by choice opponent. I think the OSL curse was actually also caused by stupid decision from the OSL winner.
TBh, I can't fathom why the hell GGplay picked Bisu at all, other than to prove himself. Which seems a little foolish, given GGplay getting to the semifinals would prove far more than an early exit.
100% agreed. You cant tell much about his shape from one game against the best pvz in the world, he would have been way higher on the power ranks if he chose a "smart" opponent and made it the semi's with solid play.
TBh, I can't fathom why the hell GGplay picked Bisu at all, other than to prove himself. Which seems a little foolish, given GGplay getting to the semifinals would prove far more than an early exit.
Beat him early or dont waste your time. I think that is the mentality here.
Its funny how bisu has a couple of bad games and he maintains the #1 spot, sea can lose convincingly to a multitude of players... still remain top 10, but ggplay looks bad in a single game (against the #1) and people are calling him overrated. I don't think he is 1 or 2 but I do put him at 5:
1/2 Bisu/Hwasin (I feel like the winner of this match up will take the championship) 3 Savior 4 Stork 5 GGplay
GGplay lives and dies by his mutalisks. When he is successful with his muta harass, the rest of his game picks up immensly. When its a failure or doesnt even happen, he plays terribly.
Right now, Bisu has brilliant pvt and pvz. Brilliant, but predictable.
Hwasin managed to catch a little bit of a crack in Bisu v terran armor, but if Bisu has opts for psi storm + templar over arbitars, the outcome could have been drastically different. Hwasin needs to move out a little sooner, while he is getting comsat up in my opinon.
Bisu very predictably goes early expand protected by cannons against zerg. You could tell GGplay was experimenting and very uncomfortable with his build. I do think he is on the right track though. A quick macro expand while bisu is in a defensive stance might just make the difference in the long run. This might be a bit unorthodox, but I would almost like to see a dual lair upgrade for into a fast speed upgrade\ fast drop of hydras on bisu's main. The speed upgraded overlords will help defend against the corsair push and allow forces to float by bisu's cannoned in front door. Then there is just contending with the psi storm/reavers in the supply lines, but the damage will be done.
Bisu will be number one again, I should think. Balls of a motherfucking champion.
Diggity, while I do believe you make a number of valid points, IIRC Bisu altered his style from the previously predictable one into the style we see today when he was beaten by Clon and Boxer (could be wrong here however, I don't remember those games well). I wouldn't be surprising if he proved extremley adaptable should people counter his style. After all, it's his supreme Multitasking and clutch abilities that make him so effective as opposed to any brilliance in his build orders.
On October 19 2007 02:26 SuperJongMan wrote: JD will be #1 in seconds. All your page long arguments are useless.
Ummm, isn't JD going to be #2, with Casy being #1 since he can get back to practicing? Or maybe JD will take it in seconds, whereas Casy needs a few minutes to get his shape back up
On October 21 2007 11:38 TheTyranid wrote: Extremely lucky would be a more accurate description.
Now Bisu is getting a free pass into the semis. I PRAY that Nal_rA will be able to take him out. (If he does, Savior will win this MSL )
Nobody besides rA has a chance against Bisu.
Everyone in the tournament has a chance against Bisu. I mean, come on, this is Starcraft, where the most untouchably dominant players in their prime lose a third of their games.
That is true. In SC, or any sport, any player could theoretically beat Bisu. But Bisu has such odds against the others in the MSL that it is safe to assume that Bisu will beat them. Kwanro COULD beat Bisu but do you honestly believe that's going to happen?
After I saw Savior vs. Stork game 2, I was sure that Savior had little chance of Beating Bisu. Stork use the same mass sair/reaver harass into goon/zeal/temp steamroll that Bisu used vs. GGGplay. Savior was able to defend 2 waves of Stork's units, of course because Stork's PvZ is not polished and Savior has great defence and micro. Against Bisu, the king of mass sair harass, Savior just won't stand a chance if the game will be similar to those two.
edit: Zerg just haven't come up with a counter yet for a polished mass sair+ dt/reaver harass.
On October 22 2007 15:23 TheTyranid wrote: Kwanro COULD beat Bisu but do you honestly believe that's going to happen?.
Nope, I don't believe it's going to happen, but I didn't believe that Flash would 2-0 Bisu, nor did I believe that Mind+Mania+Xellos would advance, nor did I believe that PJ would beat Savior, but it's Starcraft, these things happen, and to say that 6 out of 7 players don't have a chance is a very bold statement
I'll agree that Bisu is the favourite to win MSL, but I wouldn't give him more than a 65% chance to win the whole tournament
On October 22 2007 15:23 TheTyranid wrote: edit: Zerg just haven't come up with a counter yet for a polished mass sair+ dt/reaver harass.
the problem isnt in the strategy, or z's would have problems with more than just bisu. bisu is just head and shoulders above everyone else in execution and multitasking, he would dominate with any build. the harass oriented style just happens to make best use of his multitasking.
How about dropping Iris and GGplay since since Last OSL they have done nothing but lose PL. Move Rock up. Obvious reasons. He's great. Is light really a choice when Anytime is 9-1 in Proleague? and OFC, Xellos. You guys don't see it but he's winning another MSL.
On October 28 2007 02:49 SuperJongMan wrote: How about dropping Iris and GGplay since since Last OSL they have done nothing but lose PL. Move Rock up. Obvious reasons. He's great. Is light really a choice when Anytime is 9-1 in Proleague? and OFC, Xellos. You guys don't see it but he's winning another MSL.
1. Bisu he is in the ro4 of MSL and in the group stages of OSL, he beats GGPlay, Hwasin and he is showing dominance. In proleague in 1vs1 he is inconsistent (probably due to the fact that he is in both individual leagues ), in 2vs2 however he has a good form
2. sAviOr he is in the ro4 of MSL and in the group stages of OSL, he is little by little showing his monstrouous form, in proleague he is not good, but he swept Stork
3. Hwasin, despite his lost against Bisu in the MSL he is in the OSL, and he is the BeSt terran at this time, however he is showing mediocre result in proleague....
4. Stork, he is qualified for ro8 in OSL bu was beaten by sAviOr in MSL in ro16, he is very good but made some mistake against player like soo and RuBy
the 4 that i ve listed are goood in all matchup
5. Jaedong, despite showing incredible performance vT (14-0 xinning streak, 11-0 according to fifo and 4-0 vZ winning streak, 10-0 acccording to fifo) he lacks agianst P, he is not in the MSL, he is in the ro8 of OSL, he is 5-1 in proleague
6. Anytime, he is not in the MSL or in the OSL but he is so strong (he is 8-1) i rank him 6
7. Iris, he is in the OSL, not in the MSL but he made so little match that i dont know how his current form is....
8. Light, he has been knoked out of the MSL by Kwanro (and that is saying a lot !!! ) but he is in the OSL, i don't like him....dunno why
9. Sea, he isnt in the MSL or OSL but he is 5-1 (something like this) in proleague, he is still strong macro monster
10. GGPlay.... despite knoked out of OSL he is 4-1 in proleague but he is not material champion anymore.....
free ???? no he is showing mediocre result...... Rock???? O_O Kal ????? lol
lol Anytime. Zero individual leagues and his 9-1 proleague record is meaningless when all of his wins were against people no-names like PianO and Haran or slumping vets like rA, NaDa, and the karma-ridden FBH.
lol Anytime. Zero individual leagues and his 9-1 proleague record is meaningless when all of his wins were against people no-names like PianO and Haran or slumping vets like rA, NaDa, and the karma-ridden FBH.
lol.. that's just the same players scrambled. I think I can name 9 players hotter atm than Iris.. or Light.
Some players are moving up others are moving down, hence yes it is scramble like. I cant put someone like upmagic or reach above ggplay or light in good faith. Both players are too solid to be counted out just yet.
I dont think the top 10 is about being hot, its about being consistent. Otherwise Kwanro would be top 25 which isn't realistic :/
If I was to have a 11/12 it would probably be Nal_ra, oversky. I would put Nada up there if it wasn't for that streak of losses.
other power ranks had more replies because either A) Etter was slacking and didn't put up a power rank for more than a month or two, or B) a lot of people disagreed with the rank... this month's is pretty solid
1. bisu 2. savior 3. jaedong 4. stork 5. hwasin 6. iris 7. light (i really dont like him, but i think he is still in the osl no?) 8. anytime 9. free 10. kwanro (if it wasnt bisu, he woulda advanced... T_T)
worth mentioning? sea[shield] YET AGAIN HE BLOWS AT INIDIVIDUAL LEAGUES... when will he ever rise and take one of these things...
EPT
Im happy.
