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Power Rank 10/02/2007

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DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
October 02 2007 01:24 GMT
#1
Close, but no cigar…

July – With all the love for oov’s wins over a cheesy Bisu, a slumping Nada and Reach, and a never-was ForU, everyone seems to have forgotten that you’re 6-2 since August and in <i>both</i> Starleagues. You need to tread carefully, though; you have the dubious honor of being in the OSL “group of death” with Iris, Hwasin, and Light.

Oov – If you’d made it through the ODT, the decision to add you to the Power Rank would have been made for me. As is, I’m having a hard time overlooking your recent losses to Up, Luxury, and Lomo.

Flash – I hate to keeping saying it, Flash—actually, I love saying it—but your overall game management just isn’t that good. You clearly know how to macro, but your game sense and late-game management betray your lack of experience.
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
October 02 2007 01:30 GMT
#2
Sea ftw.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 02 2007 02:00 GMT
#3
ya savvv
ambit!ous1
Profile Joined September 2007
United States3662 Posts
October 02 2007 02:04 GMT
#4
I knew that light would make top 10.

Free also looks good in top 10

Nice read.
Bisu[Shield] / ♔ SoYeon
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
October 02 2007 02:06 GMT
#5
Well I have to say that if you must go out, go out with a band and I think you accomplished that. You put out a good powerrank that raised a lot of good points. Thanks for all the time you spent writing the power ranks and hf with your newly acquired time!
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
October 02 2007 02:07 GMT
#6
gogo Hwasin over Savior!
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 02 2007 02:07 GMT
#7
I agree from top to bottom, same order and everything
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 02 2007 02:12 GMT
#8
id like jaedong to be higher just because of the amount of ass he is about to kick
but everyone above him has accomplished more recently so i guess thats fair.
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Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
October 02 2007 02:14 GMT
#9
On October 02 2007 11:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I agree from top to bottom, same order and everything
sAviOr...
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
October 02 2007 02:25 GMT
#10
Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.

Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.

Dark_Luster
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)438 Posts
October 02 2007 02:26 GMT
#11
On October 02 2007 11:12 IdrA wrote:
id like jaedong to be higher just because of the amount of ass he is about to kick
but everyone above him has accomplished more recently so i guess thats fair.


agreed from here too. other than that, nice read! and its a hella nice thing that protoss players are reaching higher up these days.. and savior's trying to claw back in good shape as well.
#1 Horangee fan
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
October 02 2007 02:42 GMT
#12
Excellent writeup. I'm sure we all know how that feels Etter (I definately do). We're all thankful for your devotion and the entertainment you've brought here. The Power Rank is probably one of the most simple, yet popular feature offered at TLnet.

As always your analysis is pretty accurate. Whenever I question a judgement I'll read your reasoning and end up being satisfied with those reasons.
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
MaZza[KIS]
Profile Joined December 2005
Australia2110 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-02 02:50:25
October 02 2007 02:45 GMT
#13
Top 6 are P,T,Z,P,T,Z

pretty even considering 3rd placed Z is going through a slump and there's another Z (jaedong) about to charge up the rankings.

Who said SC was imba?

In regards to Savior... well we all know what a Genius Nada is. I mean, if you want someone to defeat an IMPOSSIBLE UMS just call him (as vouched for by Rekrul). The guys an APM machine and he's very knowledgable about Starcraft. But then, why is he not top? Simple... SC is a mindgame. Where as in FPS a good aim can save you, in sc no amount of APM can save you against a perfect counter. We see it all the time with 300 APM players going down to 120 APM players and such.

So, I would like to propose that Savior's lost the mindgame. Opponents are getting used to him and his style of play. They can get inside his head and guess what he's about to do. This is particularly easy for lower rank players who've been able to analyse saviors game, but have not played that many televised games themselves. This is why you see someone like Oov trudge through a set of extremely skilled players and then lose to lesser known/shittier players.

It's the circle of life. It's what keeps SC new and fresh. Coz if you think about it, all these players have similar/same APMs. What sets them apart is their star sense and style of play.

Cheers DJ and FakeSteve.
I really wanted a bigger opponent, like Nate Marquardt, or King Neptune, or Zeus, or Zeus and Fedor, or Fedor on Zeus's shoulders, and they can both punch but only Zeus can kick.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
October 02 2007 02:55 GMT
#14
yay for a new power ranking I especially like the bottom four for some reason.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32281 Posts
October 02 2007 03:31 GMT
#15
I want oov to go up!
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HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
October 02 2007 04:25 GMT
#16
July July

People forget

Some vintage ZvT

Would jog memories.
returns upon momentous occasions.
HaXxorIzed
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Australia8434 Posts
October 02 2007 04:48 GMT
#17
Many thanks for an awesome Power Rank commentary over the months DJ. I fully expect to see Fakesteve be just as hilarious and accurate in his own way. GL to both, and I agree with the PR of this month. Hwasin and Jaedong are going to have an interesting time.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/HaXxorIzed
OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
October 02 2007 05:06 GMT
#18
Nice PR. I definitely agree that Jaedong seems to be playing extremely strong ZvT right now. It's awesome to see him match up against Hwasin.

Nice showing by Savior, GGPlay and Jaedong! ^_^ Zerg Power! (and those other races too :p)
ii.blitzkrieg
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada1122 Posts
October 02 2007 06:51 GMT
#19
On October 02 2007 12:31 IntoTheWow wrote:
I want oov to go up!
iloveoov / Flash / Fantasy / Midas / Boxer -BW forever
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
October 02 2007 06:58 GMT
#20
On October 02 2007 11:25 zer0das wrote:
Meh, I disagree with that particular order, but I can't really say the analysis is wrong. I need to see some games from July before I feel good about him, same with Iris (but I'm not sure I'd notch Iris down so much... Sangho isn't a huge slouch). Flash... I wouldn't drop him quite so far, given his Proleague results have been about on par with Free's, and he's still in OSL. He also got knocked out of MSL by Bisu of all people.

Other than that, Stork's PvZ looks sharper, and I feel really shaky about Savior despite the results. I feel pretty meh about Light too.



There were only two people on par with free in proleague last season - Stork and Sea. Flash was a reliable ace, but he's more readily likened to Calm than to Free, as Free saw a lot more games than Flash did.
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