if HwaSin was 1....this website would be a joke....he is getting good, impressive victories, but considering the situation the two are in, Bisu has had much more impressive victories when it really counted.

Purind

Canada3562 Posts

October 09 2007 03:06 GMT

#62

Which is why Bisu is #1 and Hwasin is #2.

heavysmoker

Korea (South)17 Posts

October 09 2007 08:53 GMT

#63

hwasin had good stuff and impressive play. but he couldn't get any achivement.

so I think bisu is #1. and stork is #2, GGplay #3

hwasin is #4~5.

koryano321

United States309 Posts

October 09 2007 20:40 GMT

#64

ggplay sucked ass in the last OSL match he had, we willl see if that previous osl was a fluke or not. oh by the way, sea wont be on power rank next month.. knocked out of both osl and msl... sucker ><

TheTyranid

Russian Federation4333 Posts

October 09 2007 22:05 GMT

#65

On October 10 2007 05:40 koryano321 wrote:
ggplay sucked ass in the last OSL match he had, we willl see if that previous osl was a fluke or not. oh by the way, sea wont be on power rank next month.. knocked out of both osl and msl... sucker ><

I don't dig the whole "fluke OSL" thing. A player that has won OSL has showed top tier and clutch game. GGPlay displayed one of the best ZvT i have ever seen in his series against Flash, Hwasin and Iris. He owned his group by beating Stork, Up, and even Casy. He also tore through preliminaries and odt 4-0. Winning an OSL with such a strong (14-5) with suck art games is a fluke??? I don't think so. I think the whole "fluke SL" concept is anti - player bias.

CustomXSpunjah

United States1093 Posts

October 10 2007 08:55 GMT

#66

agreed to an extent, although he did WIN the last OSL which makes him rightful claim to his skills. He is a great zerg, with amazing zvt but #3 is really high for a player of his caliber. players like Stork, HwaSin, even Sea deserve it over him

HaXxorIzed

Australia8434 Posts

October 10 2007 13:26 GMT

#67

GGplay's weakest matchup is ZvP and he is weakest in the earlygame. It's natural that Bisu playing at full capacity is going to be an exceptionally difficult matchup for GGplay. that doesn't excuse his loss, but his OSL performance was a great sucess in ZvT for him. He's not really fluke, although I don't think it can be denied he had a good lineup of players with which to demonstrate his best matchup.

neotoss

China217 Posts

October 10 2007 17:22 GMT

#68

On October 10 2007 22:26 HaXxorIzed wrote:
GGplay's weakest matchup is ZvP and he is weakest in the earlygame. It's natural that Bisu playing at full capacity is going to be an exceptionally difficult matchup for GGplay. that doesn't excuse his loss, but his OSL performance was a great sucess in ZvT for him. He's not really fluke, although I don't think it can be denied he had a good lineup of players with which to demonstrate his best matchup.

Why did GGPlay choice Bisu ? If he knows that his weakst matchup is ZvP and Bisu probably the best PvZ in the world.

Sometimes I really get confused from the strategy by choice opponent. I think the OSL curse was actually also caused by stupid decision from the OSL winner.

shinigami

Canada423 Posts

October 10 2007 20:47 GMT

#69

I think he wanted to be at least be known for his courage to take on challenges... even when it's completely stacked against him.

Well, it's better than chickening out and losing fan support over it.

HaXxorIzed

Australia8434 Posts

October 11 2007 14:53 GMT

#70

On October 11 2007 02:22 neotoss wrote:
Why did GGPlay choice Bisu ? If he knows that his weakst matchup is ZvP and Bisu probably the best PvZ in the world.

Sometimes I really get confused from the strategy by choice opponent. I think the OSL curse was actually also caused by stupid decision from the OSL winner.

TBh, I can't fathom why the hell GGplay picked Bisu at all, other than to prove himself. Which seems a little foolish, given GGplay getting to the semifinals would prove far more than an early exit.

Purind

Canada3562 Posts

October 14 2007 14:52 GMT

#71

On October 11 2007 05:47 shinigami wrote:
I think he wanted to be at least be known for his courage to take on challenges... even when it's completely stacked against him.

Well, it's better than chickening out and losing fan support over it.

Maybe he should have picked some super terran instead.

CustomXSpunjah

United States1093 Posts

October 15 2007 08:36 GMT

#72

On October 11 2007 23:53 HaXxorIzed wrote:

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TBh, I can't fathom why the hell GGplay picked Bisu at all, other than to prove himself. Which seems a little foolish, given GGplay getting to the semifinals would prove far more than an early exit.

100% agreed. You cant tell much about his shape from one game against the best pvz in the world, he would have been way higher on the power ranks if he chose a "smart" opponent and made it the semi's with solid play.

Diggity

United States806 Posts

October 16 2007 18:23 GMT

#73

TBh, I can't fathom why the hell GGplay picked Bisu at all, other than to prove himself. Which seems a little foolish, given GGplay getting to the semifinals would prove far more than an early exit.

Beat him early or dont waste your time. I think that is the mentality here.

Its funny how bisu has a couple of bad games and he maintains the #1 spot, sea can lose convincingly to a multitude of players... still remain top 10, but ggplay looks bad in a single game (against the #1) and people are calling him overrated. I don't think he is 1 or 2 but I do put him at 5:

1/2 Bisu/Hwasin (I feel like the winner of this match up will take the championship)
3 Savior
4 Stork
5 GGplay

GGplay lives and dies by his mutalisks. When he is successful with his muta harass, the rest of his game picks up immensly. When its a failure or doesnt even happen, he plays terribly.

Right now, Bisu has brilliant pvt and pvz. Brilliant, but predictable.

Hwasin managed to catch a little bit of a crack in Bisu v terran armor, but if Bisu has opts for psi storm + templar over arbitars, the outcome could have been drastically different. Hwasin needs to move out a little sooner, while he is getting comsat up in my opinon.

Bisu very predictably goes early expand protected by cannons against zerg. You could tell GGplay was experimenting and very uncomfortable with his build. I do think he is on the right track though. A quick macro expand while bisu is in a defensive stance might just make the difference in the long run. This might be a bit unorthodox, but I would almost like to see a dual lair upgrade for into a fast speed upgrade\ fast drop of hydras on bisu's main. The speed upgraded overlords will help defend against the corsair push and allow forces to float by bisu's cannoned in front door. Then there is just contending with the psi storm/reavers in the supply lines, but the damage will be done.

SuperJongMan

Jamaica11586 Posts

October 18 2007 17:26 GMT

#74

JD will be #1 in seconds. All your page long arguments are useless.

HaXxorIzed

Australia8434 Posts

October 20 2007 14:25 GMT

#75

Bisu will be number one again, I should think. Balls of a motherfucking champion.

Diggity, while I do believe you make a number of valid points, IIRC Bisu altered his style from the previously predictable one into the style we see today when he was beaten by Clon and Boxer (could be wrong here however, I don't remember those games well). I wouldn't be surprising if he proved extremley adaptable should people counter his style. After all, it's his supreme Multitasking and clutch abilities that make him so effective as opposed to any brilliance in his build orders.