EPTPower Rank 10/02/2007 - Page 3
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MoNKeYSpanKeR
United States2869 Posts
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nofAcedAgent
United States952 Posts
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On October 02 2007 16:16 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: There were only two people on par with free in proleague last season - Stork and Sea. Flash was a reliable ace, but he's more readily likened to Calm than to Free, as Free saw a lot more games than Flash did. Those were my thoughts exactly. There is no way you can say that Flash and Free are on the same level in Proleague. Sure they may currently have the same record this season, but Free has the past success to back up his position from last season, while Flash does not have that same success in his past. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On October 04 2007 04:00 semioldguy wrote: Those were my thoughts exactly. There is no way you can say that Flash and Free are on the same level in Proleague. Sure they may currently have the same record this season, but Free has the past success to back up his position from last season, while Flash does not have that same success in his past. I think this position is a bit ridiculous given that Flash got deep into OSL/MSL last season... it isn't about last season, this is the power ranking. Yes, Free's Proleague performance last season is the back of my mind, but I don't think that has much to do with his performance this season, now does it? The claim I made is simply this: Flash has been about on par with Free in this season's Proleague thus far. Disagree with that statement if you want, but placing too much emphasis on one player's past season over another's isn't being terribly logical about things. Sidenote: I'm not a huge fan of Flash by any means, in fact I'm glad he's out of MSL, but I do think that there are arguments for putting him in the 10 spot (I wouldn't put him over Free... personally I think Light is probably getting more benefit of the doubt than he should, so I'd probably stick Free at 9 and Flash at 10). | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
I love seeing Stork hanging so high. He had a rough go in his MSL group, but I have confidence in him. Keep your eye on the bird people. | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On October 04 2007 05:43 zer0das wrote: I think this position is a bit ridiculous given that Flash got deep into OSL/MSL last season... it isn't about last season, this is the power ranking. Yes, Free's Proleague performance last season is the back of my mind, but I don't think that has much to do with his performance this season, now does it? The claim I made is simply this: Flash has been about on par with Free in this season's Proleague thus far. Disagree with that statement if you want, but placing too much emphasis on one player's past season over another's isn't being terribly logical about things. Sidenote: I'm not a huge fan of Flash by any means, in fact I'm glad he's out of MSL, but I do think that there are arguments for putting him in the 10 spot (I wouldn't put him over Free... personally I think Light is probably getting more benefit of the doubt than he should, so I'd probably stick Free at 9 and Flash at 10). Of course performance last season has some to do with performance this season. If someone looks completely in form last season, and hasn't looked to be in decline this season, it can still be assumed that they are in top form. If someone only did good last season and they win a couple games this season, they could have either just hit a lucky streak or be getting better, but we won't know until more games are under that player's belt. Three games is a very small sample size. To make a comparison take a look at the NFL Power rank that ESPN does each week. The Colts, Patriots, Cowboys and the Packers are all 4-0, but the Packers are ranked below the other three because of their performance last season and the caliber of opponents they have played against this season. The Colts, Cowboys and Patriots have their credibility to support them from last season when they all did well. Their power is supported as such and the Packers' power may only just be a lucky streak rather than true power. Back to Flash and Free. In flash games he doesn't display power on the same level as free, in porleague as well. His game sense is not as developed. He may be great at macro and have some good timing builds for the early game, but even in his wins I'm not convinced that he couldn't be playing much better if he had more instinct and knowledge in the game. He is newer to the scene and still needs time to develop these skills. Free on the other hand, has shown more promise in these categories both in more recent and last season's games. To say that last season can't be considered for this power ranking is not logical. I'm not saying that heavy emphasis should be placed there; but all other things being relatively equal (or even just close) then to disregard past performance at all would betray logic. That being said, as far as Power Ranking goes OSL > MSL > PL > Other Events Free is into the MSL Round of 16 at 2-0. Flash is out of the MSL now and hasn't played a game in the OSL. Light got through both Survivor and Dual Tournament into the Starleagues without a single game loss, and having not been qualified for either and making it into both is an accomplishent in itself. Sure the same could be said of Flash, but he has already fallen from one of the leagues, Light hasn't. Light then went on to defeat Hwasin in his first OSL game. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On October 04 2007 09:35 semioldguy wrote: Of course performance last season has some to do with performance this season. If someone looks completely in form last season, and hasn't looked to be in decline this season, it can still be assumed that they are in top form. If someone only did good last season and they win a couple games this season, they could have either just hit a lucky streak or be getting better, but we won't know until more games are under that player's belt. Three games is a very small sample size. That last line would be my point. Inferring too much about how a progamer is going to play in the future based on how they are playing now is walking a fine line. Free's game against Intercalm? He looked pretty terrible. I'd argue the sports analogy is a poor one, because a team very well may play well on the whole, but the individual player's performance in any one game is going to vary quite a bit. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
On October 04 2007 07:03 ManaBlue wrote: This is a milestone indeed. I love seeing Stork hanging so high. He had a rough go in his MSL group, but I have confidence in him. Keep your eye on the bird people. Now that you put it that way, I have a very bad feeling about Stork this season. He's been hit with the ManaBlue curse. | ||
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ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
On October 05 2007 08:06 Purind wrote: Now that you put it that way, I have a very bad feeling about Stork this season. He's been hit with the ManaBlue curse. Ouch. He seemed to sail just fine to an MSL final with my support last season.  | ||
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diggurd
Norway346 Posts
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
On October 05 2007 19:08 diggurd wrote: where the hell is flash? In school. | ||
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
On October 04 2007 07:03 ManaBlue wrote: This is a milestone indeed. I love seeing Stork hanging so high. He had a rough go in his MSL group, but I have confidence in him. Keep your eye on the bird people. Well he already is on top of Kespa... All is left is to win a few starleagues  | ||
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
sea was raped by july and kwanro...... | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37085 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On October 07 2007 22:36 Seeker wrote: Why is Nada off again? He hasn't been on in a long time. | ||
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Clumsy_plz
Korea (South)22 Posts
but that is not a problem.. he is 4th yet. | ||
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Sindri
Australia56 Posts
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heavysmoker
Korea (South)17 Posts
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On October 09 2007 05:08 heavysmoker wrote: I don't agree this ranking. Why is Hwasin 2? Why do you think? | ||
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