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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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CountZero71
Germany89 Posts
Granted, it's a new game, so it will need more attention, but constant "nerf"/"buff" demands are ruining any development by the players. | ||
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Enzymatic
Canada1301 Posts
On March 18 2013 11:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I say 2-3 months. Soonest should be after gsl. Despite my complaints of ZvT and ZvP lategame, I do agree the zerg representation wasn't the best at IEM and MLG and the gsl should be a far better gauge of where zerg is on the top end. ? A Zerg just won mlg. | ||
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Champi
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Creager
Germany1961 Posts
On March 18 2013 18:07 Ackee wrote: I'd say as long as takes before blizzard has figured out how to nerf protoss air play (Void Rays, Oracles) so it becomes weaker but not shit. I really like that protoss got a harass unit but what I don't understand is why it can kill marines. The void ray is just ridic atm, everytime I try to go 1 rax expo (gasless) they just proxxy stargate and 3 gates and just end the game. Example: ROOTLeiya vs (Ragequit)QXC The void ray ATM is a little bit too good. Marines can kill both oracles and MC quite fast, so I don't see a severe problem there, also the prismatic beam of the VR doesn't affect light units so marines aren't killed faster, or am I wrong? It's maybe too greedy to gasless expand at this stage of the game as many people tend to do 1-base play since builds for early pushes are easier to adapt to than figuring out the complexity of the metagame during the later stages... Give it half a year or when clear imbalances are materializing... Blizz overdid a bit it in the earlier days with Terran (before other players really could start to figure out things by themselves) and then after the queenbuff and the discovery of mass infestor chilled for too long until they actually decided to do at least something about it -> resulted in Zerg domination for the last 8 or so months of WoL). Medivac boosts are strong, but not impossible to defend, it just requires adaptation and more routine. Blinkstalker-MC all-in is one tough bastard as well, but yet Mvp and Innovation showed how to hold it off... (Yeah I know, kinda bad example because of medivac's lategame potential etc.) | ||
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Grapefruit
Germany439 Posts
Wow, it's literally 2010 again. On topic, I think they need to roll out a patch soon. Terran and Protoss are fine, they don't need to be nerfed, but Zerg needs to be buffed. Overall Zerg winrate in the IEM and MLG (despite Life winning) is below 40%. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZmbMw5y.png) | ||
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KingMel
France120 Posts
On March 18 2013 11:45 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: I say 2-3 months. Soonest should be after gsl. Despite my complaints of ZvT and ZvP lategame, I do agree the zerg representation wasn't the best at IEM and MLG and the gsl should be a far better gauge of where zerg is on the top end. The game has to be balanced for everbody, not only the best players :/ | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On March 18 2013 20:26 KingMel wrote: The game has to be balanced for everbody, not only the best players :/ No. Everybody (except maybe Code S Koreans) should worry about mechanics first. At lower skill levels balance matters even less. | ||
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ARLEN
Sweden21 Posts
Starcraft is and has always been changing, just like in the "old" days (during BW) when patches came out less frequently and still pro's found ways to change the entire game with new discoveries. It was almost like the game patched/balanced itself because of the development and rethinking of the game. Just dont think everything is impossible just because you saw it on MLG/GSL. If we had the game unpatched for a longer time (5-7 months), do you really believe the builds would be the same, that people still would loose to the same thing? I dont think so. | ||
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duckmaster
687 Posts
On March 18 2013 20:09 Grapefruit wrote: Wow, it's literally 2010 again. On topic, I think they need to roll out a patch soon. Terran and Protoss are fine, they don't need to be nerfed, but Zerg needs to be buffed. Overall Zerg winrate in the IEM and MLG (despite Life winning) is below 40%. Great job, posting statistics with a ridiculously small sample size. edit: should at least try to take into account the player pool, which especially for IEM was just awful for Zerg. Koreans beating foreigner Zergs has nothing to do with balance. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On March 18 2013 20:59 duckmaster wrote: Great job, posting statistics with a ridiculously small sample size. + involving mainly foreign Z Like the majority, I say wait for the first GSL/GSTL. We've seen so many new stuff in one week-end, things will keep evolving. Let the players figure things out rather than nerfing/buffing everything after a tournament. | ||
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Slayer008
United States15 Posts
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Dvriel
607 Posts
On March 18 2013 20:09 Grapefruit wrote: Wow, it's literally 2010 again. On topic, I think they need to roll out a patch soon. Terran and Protoss are fine, they don't need to be nerfed, but Zerg needs to be buffed. Overall Zerg winrate in the IEM and MLG (despite Life winning) is below 40%. Your statistic is quite bad,because foreigner tournmaments only count with 10-12 good koreans.Would you say the american football(Soccer) league is the best? The Champions League,Spain,England,Italy,GErmany and FRance got the best players and teams,so you can make your statistics there,not in Africa or China,ok? As well GSL should not be taken as representative of the actual state of the game.We need at least 1-2 GS(T)Ls... | ||
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Dvriel
607 Posts
On March 18 2013 21:46 Slayer008 wrote: Toss needs a buff. Do you see how screwed they are against medivac drops in their current state? Tosses should not be forced to go air to deal with it. Why not? Terrans are forced to go BIO vs toss,because no Mech is possible.They also need to go Vikings to kill Broodlords or Collosu and Ghosts to try prevent storms or kill HTs.ITs a new game,with new units,why would you want to play the same way? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On March 18 2013 14:12 kochanfe wrote: Soon. Void Ray is game-breaking in PvP. Thats what they said about 4gate and colossi armies LOL | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On March 18 2013 21:46 Dvriel wrote: Your statistic is quite bad,because foreigner tournmaments only count with 10-12 good koreans.Would you say the american football(Soccer) league is the best? The Champions League,Spain,England,Italy,GErmany and FRance got the best players and teams,so you can make your statistics there,not in Africa or China,ok? As well GSL should not be taken as representative of the actual state of the game.We need at least 1-2 GS(T)Ls... This, and we're talking (in absolute percentages) 10% margin of error. The "worst" race won 10% less (or 1 in 5 less games) TvZ would seem to be extremely imbalanced in terrans favor from this, but Life went 4-2 over Flash in games that did not seem at all easy for the terran side. I believe that there was enough pubstomping by better players to throw numbers off to 40/60 and even if there was not - its an acceptable margin in the first week of the game being live. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20343 Posts
On March 18 2013 21:46 Slayer008 wrote: Toss needs a buff. Do you see how screwed they are against medivac drops in their current state? Tosses should not be forced to go air to deal with it. Stargate play pretty early is actually quite powerful. It's not being "forced" to go air if you can do good damage and harass with map control and phoenix's are great at defense, scouting around map while also being great army uses with awesome syncing with colossi (+1 air attack for +20% damage, great anti viking, can kill/reset medivacs, can lift many units) | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On March 18 2013 21:46 Slayer008 wrote: Toss needs a buff. Do you see how screwed they are against medivac drops in their current state? Tosses should not be forced to go air to deal with it. No, they should definitely be able to defend Terran tier 3 tech with gateway units alone. Cuz getting air to defend air attacks is outrageous, right? What Toss needs is to start doing something else other than 2 base colossus or turtling for 200/200 into a-move. the game barely got out, at least try to deal with stuff before asking for nerfs. | ||
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Mouldy
Australia8 Posts
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Kpaxlol
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