EPT2. unify leagues in one organization so we don't have overlapping shit anymore
3. coordinate a say 1 month offseason each year
4. ?????
5. Profit
As a viewer, would you like an official off-season? - Page 7
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Lorch
Germany3690 Posts
2. unify leagues in one organization so we don't have overlapping shit anymore 3. coordinate a say 1 month offseason each year 4. ????? 5. Profit | ||
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Dontkillme
Korea (South)806 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:11 skrotcyk wrote: I don't understand this question.. As a viewer your not obliged to watch every event, nothings gonna happen if you skip an event or two. This. There are plenty of events I don't watch and just read Liquidpedia and catch the best VODS from. For the fans, no breaks are really needed, for the players though, it may be a good idea. | ||
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pseudocalm
Canada98 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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Kompicek
Czech Republic245 Posts
On December 17 2012 05:23 Havik_ wrote: This. There are plenty of events I don't watch and just read Liquidpedia and catch the best VODS from. For the fans, no breaks are really needed, for the players though, it may be a good idea. For the players its also not needed, its much better to have more tournaments, because they can structure their schedule much better. They are in the same position as us fans, they dont have to attend every event. | ||
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:27 bbm wrote: Sure it is. I'll be out of the loop, I won't know about the most recent upsets, who's on form, who's not, what state matchup X or Y is in, etc. Six months ago Rain hadn't played a televised series (and all we'd really seen of kespa players was some of the hybrid proleague, and the small side-tourney at anaheim). Seed had just won a GSL. Taeja had just been beaten by Tassadar in the GSTL. He hadn't even played in the IPL TAC 3 yet. DRG had just won an MLG. Life was still on ZENEX, Naniwa was still on quantic, etc. Now the scene's completely different. People rise, people fall, it happens very quickly in our scene and if you take a month off you'll miss out, and there's no easy way to catch up on previous months going ons (as I found out while writing this post) This guy gets it. The StarCraft scene is moving WAY too fast, seasons need to be longer and there should be significant downtime inbetween major tournaments so that it feels like a real culmination of something big. Also, longer seasons = less flavour of the month players, hopefully. | ||
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FlashBerg
Sweden18 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_Tournaments I can't imagine that this situation is good for the pros. Sure there's tons of opportunities for them to make money which is good but the knowledge that they're missing out on so much gotta be pretty stressfull. | ||
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
When KeSPA's leagues were still Brood War competitions, I did watch MLG and DreamHack as well - but trying to keep up even with just the premier tournaments is almost impossible while working a full-time job and even those weekend events have fallen out of my schedule. | ||
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Bullet
United States280 Posts
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On December 17 2012 10:14 FlashBerg wrote: So this year we have had no less than 72 Tournaments with a price pool of 15 000$ or more, 58 with 20 000$ or more, 34 with 30 000$, 29 with 40 000$, 24 with 50 000$. This includes regional tournaments like the wcs nationals and team leagues. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_Tournaments I can't imagine that this situation is good for the pros. Sure there's tons of opportunities for them to make money which is good but the knowledge that they're missing out on so much gotta be pretty stressfull. Spectators maybe but I don't think players are missing much. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Aber
Sweden332 Posts
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Phil0s0pher
Australia317 Posts
As many have already pointed out a mix of the two "somewhat" oppositional attitudes is needed. This is to say how do we, as an e-sports community at large, balance between the need of the players and the want of the spectators. I agree with those who think there is a current oversaturation of the market. Its not only Tournaments, but also streaming, now there is nothing at all wrong with either of those categories, but when you have people who are constantly streaming as well as attending tournaments, that has to be overwhelmingly stressful and can lead to stress induced illnesses (Something, I think everyone, doesn't want players to have). From the spectators position, there is such a thing as viewer fatigue, when you have so much of one thing going on it tends to get overwhelming. I feel, sometimes, that I need to tune into an event because I want e-sports to grow. But when there are a lot of events going on at once, and streams going on. It does get a tad overwhelming. I think as posters have already pointed out, it is not in the e-sports structure to be able to qualify for 'Off-season'. E-sports isn't dictated upon by weather like other sports, but I think the solution would be less "BIG" tournaments which have greater prize pools and more smaller tournaments. If you had 4 major tournaments a year then players wouldn't be under so much stress, fatigue from traveling etc and if you had more smaller tournaments then this might encourage more "casual players" to enter into the fray. I think the single most important question that we should be asking ourselves is what structure is most beneficial for the growth of e-sports, in such, that it does not negatively affect the players or viewership. I think by lessening the amount of major tournaments that are held and by increasing the amount of smaller tournaments, this would relieve the stress of players to attend 4-5 weeks in a row of Tournaments but would create more opportunities for viewers to watch games. | ||
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Ephemerality
United States203 Posts
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choe
Germany86 Posts
these events need time to get epic. its just not fun to see the gsl code A caster talking the same stuff evry single day, just because they have to cast way to many matches. i loved the good old wc3 times, when there werent as much big leagues. it was something really really special to see a wc3l or nglone match, cuz they were the absolute best. and usually you were watching smaller cups like zotac cup or fit4gaming if you just wanted to hang out and watch some games. that was especially fun, because it could happen that a clanmate gets streamed there  but today, there are way to many events to really hype something! i mean, gsl,gstl,nasl,mlg,dreamhack,ipl,tsl,hsc... thats just to much. or maybe there should be an event that is bigger then all the others, like valve did with the international for dota2. thats clearly the #1 event of the year for dota2. i would love to see a #1 event for sc2 aswell! for me the most exciting cup is still the homestory cup. its different from the others, its special, not the same old casters talkin same old stuff. | ||
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
On December 17 2012 05:59 Luepert wrote: What would us fans do in the off season? Actually PLAY starcraft??? pffffft No thanks. Yeah I thought about it yesterday, scary, there's infestors waiting out there in the cold dark wasteland that is battlenet. The grass doesn't need to grow back. Nerds, play more for me! Entertain me! This thread, definitely killing esports. | ||
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Laplaces_imp
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paradoxOO9
United Kingdom1123 Posts
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ShotgunMike
Sweden241 Posts
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