EPTAs a viewer, would you like an official off-season?
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BearStorm
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skrotcyk
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bbm
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On December 14 2012 06:11 skrotcyk wrote: I don't understand this question.. As a viewer your not obliged to watch every event, nothings gonna happen if you skip an event or two. Sure it is. I'll be out of the loop, I won't know about the most recent upsets, who's on form, who's not, what state matchup X or Y is in, etc. Six months ago Rain hadn't played a televised series (and all we'd really seen of kespa players was some of the hybrid proleague, and the small side-tourney at anaheim). Seed had just won a GSL. Taeja had just been beaten by Tassadar in the GSTL. He hadn't even played in the IPL TAC 3 yet. DRG had just won an MLG. Life was still on ZENEX, Naniwa was still on quantic, etc. Now the scene's completely different. People rise, people fall, it happens very quickly in our scene and if you take a month off you'll miss out, and there's no easy way to catch up on previous months going ons (as I found out while writing this post) | ||
KadaverBB
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Targe
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xShoeicide
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TV shows and movies release dates, season spacings, even scene lengths during a single show make or break a show. NFL is massive because fans are frothing for it between seasons (season is only 17 weeks + playoffs. NFL has one of the highest viewships on the planet. Mad fans (like me) will just watch everything. We won't take time off by choice, we will just keep watching even as it dulls our excitement. We need it turned off for us so we can come back more excited than ever. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:10 BearStorm wrote: Breaks are good for high end tournaments like GSL and MLG. They build up hype and make each victory seem more significant, but I wouldn't mind if the less popular events occupied the time in between. The worst is when there is a lot of overlap. My thoughts exactly...and bigger prizepools  | ||
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TheCustodian
Canada9 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:27 bbm wrote: Sure it is. I'll be out of the loop, I won't know about the most recent upsets, who's on form, who's not, what state matchup X or Y is in, etc. Six months ago Rain hadn't played a televised series (and all we'd really seen of kespa players was some of the hybrid proleague, and the small side-tourney at anaheim). Seed had just won a GSL. Taeja had just been beaten by Tassadar in the GSTL. He hadn't even played in the IPL TAC 3 yet. DRG had just won an MLG. Life was still on ZENEX, Naniwa was still on quantic, etc. Now the scene's completely different. People rise, people fall, it happens very quickly in our scene and if you take a month off you'll miss out, and there's no easy way to catch up on previous months going ons (as I found out while writing this post) Wow I can't believe it was that different six months ago, I guess time flies when there is a tournament every weekend. Players definitely need a break, the smaller events should fill the gap between the majors. This would give major players a break and a chance for up and comers to take smaller cups. | ||
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LittLeD
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Sacrilege
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Flench
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snively
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red4ce
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VediVeci
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neptunusfisk
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Cyanocyst
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For instance I wouldn't mind the pros taking their break during the semester. Though im pretty sure the most natural break would be during Winter and new years time. Which i would hate, seeing as winter break is when i have ample time to watch content. | ||
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SirPinky
United States525 Posts
But if you look at a game like HOTS, it might be nice to have a few tournaments then break while each players develops his/her own style - this way you don't have everyone jumping on the "I do what's popular" cart. | ||
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MasterKang
United States1373 Posts
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hootsushi
Germany3468 Posts
edit: forgot IEM. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
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Greendotz
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McFly_terran
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nakedsurfer
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
In other words, give me a cake with a cherry on top instead of one littered with cherries. | ||
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HououinKyouma
Australia152 Posts
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TJ31
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During novemember-early december there were just too many of tournaments for me. After dreamhack winter I just lost any will to watch more for a while. I didn't watched a single NASL4 game, even though I could and had time, watched only some games from IPL5 etc. | ||
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Access
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caradoc
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raf3776
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PhoenixVoid
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Akash1223
United States91 Posts
There's very little upside to having breaks from a viewer perspective, and there's the huge downside of no content being available for viewers who want it. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
Before it was possible to watch everything because everything was important- now only the BIG main events are- GSL, OSL, MLG, DH, IPL, IEM. Besides these- I have no time left. | ||
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Zenniv
United States545 Posts
Baseball, basketball, football, soccer all have off seasons for a reason. If esports currently lacks communication and organization between events, we really need to work on being more professional towards this. Also i'm all for having "the best" games, which include the best players from the world. But the fact is, 80% of them are all koreans. And we get situations like Koreans quitting KR teams cuz its too hard in Korea, and they become "bounty hunters" for foreign tournaments. I feel for the players in Korea since competition there is extremely intense. But it certainly does not help local sc2 scenes when random Koreans players show up and take all the prize money. How can foreigners get motivation to train as hard as Koreans if they just get face-own3d every tournament? Also seeing the same players at every single LAN gets boring. For example, WCS Europe finals were awesome and refreshing. I LOVE the GSL/OSL and Proleague (RIP BW too), but seeing the same players every LAN sucks... | ||
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churb
Canada2 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:11 skrotcyk wrote: I don't understand this question.. As a viewer your not obliged to watch every event, nothings gonna happen if you skip an event or two. I may not be obliged but I have this need to watch every event. Even when there is not overlap I get played out having watched the same players compete every week end at another event. Two weeks or a month off would be a nice off season. GSL champions have short lives. | ||
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MatiaasS !
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Danglars
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banzaiib
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PavelDatsyuk88
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peekn
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skyyan
United States74 Posts
As for the problem of watching more, I find personally (curious if this is true for the average SC2 viewer) that I spend more time watching players' individual streams more than I watch tournament broadcasts. I see no reason that there would be any lack of streaming going on during a "break", so I don't think that there will be a lack of content to consume. However, I think one of the real issues here is a lack of practicality when implementing this resolution even if the community found it to be a good idea. While it might benefit the industry as a whole to have breaks, it's still in the individual interest of each tournament running organization to run a tournament on an unoccupied weekend. While we've seen a number of partnerships between eSports organizations over the past few months, I feel we're still far away from a level of cohesiveness where anything like this could occur. Even if MLG, GSL, and Kespa (theoretically) agreed to take a month off at some point, it would hurt their competitive stance in the market as other organizations could use the gap to promote their own brands, and if people want to be watching tournaments, they will have to watch the not-on-break tournaments. Overall, very interesting question, hopefully some day soon there will be a more centralized governing body of eSports that can improve the whole scene. | ||
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Mista_Masta
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SohcranA
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CScythe
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JtoK
Germany232 Posts
Conclusing: Many tournaments are nice, but not if they are at the same weekend at the same time. Players need space between matches and tournaments because of flights, hotel living, pressure. I think they all need to work together (NASL, IPL, MLG, GSL, WCG etc.) so that there wont be tournaments at the same time or players cant attend tournaments because of packed schedules, flights etc. | ||
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Leetley
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On December 14 2012 13:41 Danglars wrote: I'm a little surprised it's so evenly split. It's because of the question, it can be viewed from many different points. | ||
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Valikyr
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LowEloPlayer
United States205 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:11 skrotcyk wrote: I don't understand this question.. As a viewer your not obliged to watch every event, nothings gonna happen if you skip an event or two. Everybody always cites this against "oversaturation," but really it does have a mental effect on the viewers to have too much content. It may be subtle by making you feel all the games are less significant and thus are less enjoyable to you, it could have some other effect, and it could even make you not want to watch anymore (if there's too much stuff you wonder which stuff you should watch and you may just end up not watching it at all. This happened with NASL in seasons 1 and 2 as well as, to some extent, IPL [not the live event] since it's inception) | ||
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y0su
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Marou
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Kreb
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On December 14 2012 07:48 red4ce wrote: Fans need a break? No, players need the break. Thats what I thought too.... | ||
BLinD-RawR
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Ewok
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Mallement
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bsdaemon
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iNviSible.yunO
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Barroo
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Not only that but from a fan point of view you miss it so much that you actually CAN NOT wait for the new season to kick off. So this heightens excitement and anticipation. With no off-season you kind of view every tournament in the same light - I think you would lose more casual fans this way as nothing seems to be worth fighting for more than the last. I'd be a strong advocate of an off-season. | ||
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vAtAZz
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MooLen
Germany501 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:33 KadaverBB wrote: Breaks are cool, it's always nice to see a higher level of play after players had time to rest and practice up again. exactly my thoughts. | ||
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MysticaL
Canada118 Posts
This way, you'll have "something to look forward to," rather than being like "oh lemme just go to TL and find a tournament to watch some pros" Believe it or not, I think fans are going to get spoiled, and watch less in the end. It sounds wrong, but after watching this for a very long time, even fans get burned out, and no longer have that "FANBOY ANXIETY" before tournament matches. | ||
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Steglich
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Grobyc
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unit
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this would also bring more attention to the slightly lower level players who would benefit from the competition being less fierce away from the major tournaments | ||
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monx
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Erraa93
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OblivionMage
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crbox
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Laryleprakon
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I think next year with most organisations planing the whole year out already we should have everything more spaced out (some smaller events drop away/change there structure/big events are more spaced out etc) | ||
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Boucot
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Tosster
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Danger Boy
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UrbanHermit
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TranceNinjax
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But for the players I say yes. for myself I say no | ||
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Freezd
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mahO
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ErAsc2
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chuiboy
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On December 14 2012 06:12 kochanfe wrote: Breaks are good for the players and the overall level of play. However, I don't think it's likely or NECESSARILY beneficial for the sport as a whole. Breaks are good for players? Who said that they have to play? The reason they play is for the prize. They don't have to attend a tourney if they don't want to, but they should if they want to win some money or fame. | ||
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Mefaso
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thealexw87
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terfand
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n0ise
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)if the players find it an issue, how about managers do their job and actually arrange a proper schedule for them, so that they can the post the best amount of practice without burning out / over travelling as for the viewers - as long as the game is enjoying to watch, people will watch - if numbers start to drop, maybe there's more to it than "too many tournaments" | ||
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Kompicek
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Gipetto
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august or one of the sommer-months would be cool as a break. | ||
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Fraidnot
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Fatam
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It's always so anti-climatic when someone wins Code S! Then a few weeks later (after code A finishes) we're already having the up and downs + ro32 for the next Code S. Champions in sports get to be champion for a year, and their accomplishments have plenty of time to be celebrated. Champions in Code S get to be champions for a few weeks.. lol Also the meta will evolve faster if there is more time between tournaments because people have more time to toy around w/ new out-of-the-box ideas. If you're constantly playing for money you have to play it close to the vest / close to what you know. | ||
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Garoodah
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tozi
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xCherubiMx
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Jedclark
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Onlinejaguar
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Graphix
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Jedclark
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aifranchise
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ragz_gt
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1: too many parties want a piece of pie 2: pros need enter a ton of tournaments to sustain living condition | ||
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S8on
United States11 Posts
Having an offseason allows the gamer to have more time in between "big tournaments" to rest, refine their mechanics and practice new builds. It also gives viewers some time to "rest" knowing they aren't missing out on anything big and to "hype up" the bigger tournaments when they arrive. However to achieve this "big tournaments" (GSL for the most part atm) first need to be better defined and the number of tournaments needs to be reduced. This also probably decreases revenue however which is a huge factor. Also do the tournaments want to reduce preparation time and make the game based more on quickly planned strategies combined with stronger mechanics or do they want it to be a game of a well thought out strategies and builds which a combination of decent mechanics. I'm in favor of less tournaments, | ||
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wsamunra
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
its like sport, in winter i watch indoor soccer or futsal | ||
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
This is why a unified system with Blizzard in charge would be so great. Have tournaments actually mean more in points and in rankings without the dictatorship of KeSPA and MLG. You can actually have people ranked #1 in the world and create Roger Federer like dynasties. It would be amazing | ||
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OkStyX
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On December 16 2012 10:47 Graphix wrote: i would always like to be able to watch esports but the players need a break Then they should take them , it's not like they are forced to play every single tournament. No one is asking that of them , but having a break between "Thee tournament" the one that allows them to make it in the scene is good . Like gsl once every 2 months but having others to fill the gaps is a good thing . People act like the players are obligated to play every one like they have no choice , which isn't a real expectation and no one expects that of them . | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On December 16 2012 18:56 S8on wrote: Esports, Starcraft especially is imo very comparable to tennis in that it is individuals competing. Team leagues=Davis Cup sort of thing. One difference though is that Tennis has a governing ATP distributing points, organizing events, and it is centered around 4 major "Grand Slam" tournaments which receive much more coverage within a month or so of play. Also some matches may occur at the same times for tennis and because there are so many more viewers and fans so they can still do this to shorten the tournament span. Another difference is that the rest days between matches is to rest the body and there is little preparation for the next match. On the other hand, for tournaments such as GSL, there is usually a week of time to prepare in between rounds. Having an offseason allows the gamer to have more time in between "big tournaments" to rest, refine their mechanics and practice new builds. It also gives viewers some time to "rest" knowing they aren't missing out on anything big and to "hype up" the bigger tournaments when they arrive. However to achieve this "big tournaments" (GSL for the most part atm) first need to be better defined and the number of tournaments needs to be reduced. This also probably decreases revenue however which is a huge factor. Also do the tournaments want to reduce preparation time and make the game based more on quickly planned strategies combined with stronger mechanics or do they want it to be a game of a well thought out strategies and builds which a combination of decent mechanics. I'm in favor of less tournaments, Viewers wanted esports to get big but now they are unhappy about it ? There are alot of tournaments because the scene is growing , Lessing tournaments means players won't get as many chances to make it big , you get things like amazing players who practice all the time and don't win anything , thats so disheartening for the players and the players having many tournaments to go to gives them options . Players play the game for the love of it and the money take the money out and they have only love left more many people this is their life less money means less reason to go pro and less tAlent enters the scene . Down time between major tournaments is good but having something tangible is motivation which is what we want the players to have . Also down time doesnt mean they will improve or practice e , some people need constant opprotunities to shine . | ||
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JazzNL
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blacksheepwall
China1530 Posts
Would help add some prestige back to some of the events. | ||
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TheNut
United Kingdom12 Posts
Players also need moer time to practise themselves and prepare for tournaments to try out new strats, and to counter opponents they will be facing in their groups. Also hype building up to the tournaments helps a lot as well. for me, last motnh especially, there was just waaaaay too many tournaments... Even though I really enjoyed them. | ||
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Dujek
United Kingdom276 Posts
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Pufftrees
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On December 14 2012 07:48 red4ce wrote: Fans need a break? No, players need the break. Seriously lol, how could fans need a break lol? You can read a very well written article summarizing the events of most tournaments.... you don't have to watch ESPORTS 14 hours a day on the weekend to be a fan. Get outside! | ||
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Donger
United States147 Posts
On December 17 2012 00:44 Pufftrees wrote: Seriously lol, how could fans need a break lol? You can read a very well written article summarizing the events of most tournaments.... you don't have to watch ESPORTS 14 hours a day on the weekend to be a fan. Get outside! It's more about the feeling of falling behind in the news. As this doesn't happen for everyone, but for me when I fall behind as fast as I do in SC2 it's just too overwhelming to get back into it. So yes. I do read articles summarizing tournaments, and look at Liquidbet to see which individual player has won, and watch replays of good games. HOWEVER! Doing all three of those things do not interest sponsors. It's running commercials between matches that they are able to get their brand out there. The only thing that comes close is watching replays, but I just skip to the start of the game. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
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figq
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Lorch
Germany3682 Posts
2. unify leagues in one organization so we don't have overlapping shit anymore 3. coordinate a say 1 month offseason each year 4. ????? 5. Profit | ||
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Dontkillme
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:11 skrotcyk wrote: I don't understand this question.. As a viewer your not obliged to watch every event, nothings gonna happen if you skip an event or two. This. There are plenty of events I don't watch and just read Liquidpedia and catch the best VODS from. For the fans, no breaks are really needed, for the players though, it may be a good idea. | ||
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pseudocalm
Canada98 Posts
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Luepert
United States1933 Posts
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Kompicek
Czech Republic245 Posts
On December 17 2012 05:23 Havik_ wrote: This. There are plenty of events I don't watch and just read Liquidpedia and catch the best VODS from. For the fans, no breaks are really needed, for the players though, it may be a good idea. For the players its also not needed, its much better to have more tournaments, because they can structure their schedule much better. They are in the same position as us fans, they dont have to attend every event. | ||
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Rampager
Australia1007 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:27 bbm wrote: Sure it is. I'll be out of the loop, I won't know about the most recent upsets, who's on form, who's not, what state matchup X or Y is in, etc. Six months ago Rain hadn't played a televised series (and all we'd really seen of kespa players was some of the hybrid proleague, and the small side-tourney at anaheim). Seed had just won a GSL. Taeja had just been beaten by Tassadar in the GSTL. He hadn't even played in the IPL TAC 3 yet. DRG had just won an MLG. Life was still on ZENEX, Naniwa was still on quantic, etc. Now the scene's completely different. People rise, people fall, it happens very quickly in our scene and if you take a month off you'll miss out, and there's no easy way to catch up on previous months going ons (as I found out while writing this post) This guy gets it. The StarCraft scene is moving WAY too fast, seasons need to be longer and there should be significant downtime inbetween major tournaments so that it feels like a real culmination of something big. Also, longer seasons = less flavour of the month players, hopefully. | ||
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FlashBerg
Sweden18 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_Tournaments I can't imagine that this situation is good for the pros. Sure there's tons of opportunities for them to make money which is good but the knowledge that they're missing out on so much gotta be pretty stressfull. | ||
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VGhost
United States3613 Posts
When KeSPA's leagues were still Brood War competitions, I did watch MLG and DreamHack as well - but trying to keep up even with just the premier tournaments is almost impossible while working a full-time job and even those weekend events have fallen out of my schedule. | ||
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Bullet
United States280 Posts
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On December 17 2012 10:14 FlashBerg wrote: So this year we have had no less than 72 Tournaments with a price pool of 15 000$ or more, 58 with 20 000$ or more, 34 with 30 000$, 29 with 40 000$, 24 with 50 000$. This includes regional tournaments like the wcs nationals and team leagues. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Premier_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Major_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Minor_Tournaments http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Team_Tournaments I can't imagine that this situation is good for the pros. Sure there's tons of opportunities for them to make money which is good but the knowledge that they're missing out on so much gotta be pretty stressfull. Spectators maybe but I don't think players are missing much. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Aber
Sweden332 Posts
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Phil0s0pher
Australia317 Posts
As many have already pointed out a mix of the two "somewhat" oppositional attitudes is needed. This is to say how do we, as an e-sports community at large, balance between the need of the players and the want of the spectators. I agree with those who think there is a current oversaturation of the market. Its not only Tournaments, but also streaming, now there is nothing at all wrong with either of those categories, but when you have people who are constantly streaming as well as attending tournaments, that has to be overwhelmingly stressful and can lead to stress induced illnesses (Something, I think everyone, doesn't want players to have). From the spectators position, there is such a thing as viewer fatigue, when you have so much of one thing going on it tends to get overwhelming. I feel, sometimes, that I need to tune into an event because I want e-sports to grow. But when there are a lot of events going on at once, and streams going on. It does get a tad overwhelming. I think as posters have already pointed out, it is not in the e-sports structure to be able to qualify for 'Off-season'. E-sports isn't dictated upon by weather like other sports, but I think the solution would be less "BIG" tournaments which have greater prize pools and more smaller tournaments. If you had 4 major tournaments a year then players wouldn't be under so much stress, fatigue from traveling etc and if you had more smaller tournaments then this might encourage more "casual players" to enter into the fray. I think the single most important question that we should be asking ourselves is what structure is most beneficial for the growth of e-sports, in such, that it does not negatively affect the players or viewership. I think by lessening the amount of major tournaments that are held and by increasing the amount of smaller tournaments, this would relieve the stress of players to attend 4-5 weeks in a row of Tournaments but would create more opportunities for viewers to watch games. | ||
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Ephemerality
United States203 Posts
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choe
Germany86 Posts
these events need time to get epic. its just not fun to see the gsl code A caster talking the same stuff evry single day, just because they have to cast way to many matches. i loved the good old wc3 times, when there werent as much big leagues. it was something really really special to see a wc3l or nglone match, cuz they were the absolute best. and usually you were watching smaller cups like zotac cup or fit4gaming if you just wanted to hang out and watch some games. that was especially fun, because it could happen that a clanmate gets streamed there but today, there are way to many events to really hype something! i mean, gsl,gstl,nasl,mlg,dreamhack,ipl,tsl,hsc... thats just to much. or maybe there should be an event that is bigger then all the others, like valve did with the international for dota2. thats clearly the #1 event of the year for dota2. i would love to see a #1 event for sc2 aswell! for me the most exciting cup is still the homestory cup. its different from the others, its special, not the same old casters talkin same old stuff. | ||
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
On December 17 2012 05:59 Luepert wrote: What would us fans do in the off season? Actually PLAY starcraft??? pffffft No thanks. Yeah I thought about it yesterday, scary, there's infestors waiting out there in the cold dark wasteland that is battlenet. The grass doesn't need to grow back. Nerds, play more for me! Entertain me! This thread, definitely killing esports. | ||
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Laplaces_imp
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paradoxOO9
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ShotgunMike
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sc2Law
Australia61 Posts
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ElementAlpha
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tabeatz
United States83 Posts
First of all, with an off season, fans will be more hungry for good content and counting down the days until the new season starts. Have you even seen how excited baseball fans are on opening day for example? But, for this to work, there would have to be more cooperation between leagues as to not flood the market with overwhelming amounts of content when the "season" starts up again. More importantly, I think it would improve the overall quality of the games. HuK recently talked about (on Acer's "grilled" show) how long practice takes to effect your play. If players had several straight months to practice, probably stay in one place (a team house perhaps) and get a really strong practice schedule going, the quality would shine through once the season started. As it is, players are constantly on the road, getting in practice when and where they can, and their play can easily slip from that. I attribute that to why foreigners can't usually compete in long-form offline tourneys like GSL. I think the industry could use off seasons. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Swiftocino
United States9 Posts
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Supert0fu
United States499 Posts
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Ry2D2
United States429 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:10 BearStorm wrote: Breaks are good for high end tournaments like GSL and MLG. They build up hype and make each victory seem more significant, but I wouldn't mind if the less popular events occupied the time in between. The worst is when there is a lot of overlap. This. | ||
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Supert0fu
United States499 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
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ZiarDS
United States67 Posts
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spancho
United States161 Posts
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Gruntt
United States175 Posts
I want to see longer breaks between the ro8/ro4 of GSL and MUCH longer (like how it used to be) between ro4 and finals for GSL finals. That's when you get to see the true highest level of play... when players have a week long to study the crap out of those maps for ONE specific opponent. | ||
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TPennBud
United States2 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
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Velinath
United States694 Posts
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C.K.
Germany2 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:10 BearStorm wrote: Breaks are good for high end tournaments like GSL and MLG. They build up hype and make each victory seem more significant, but I wouldn't mind if the less popular events occupied the time in between. The worst is when there is a lot of overlap. totally agree with that ... sometimes less is just more ... in my opinion 3 proleague and 3 gsl seasons a year would be more than enough. it also would be nice if the other international events around the world would be just in the periods between them without overlapping each other. But i think this would be a step of professionality in e-sports we won't see for a long time. First step is already done with the partnership of esl, mlg and dreamhack! Congratz to that! Edit: I have to add that i would rather buy premium tickets than because the high end tournaments like gsl and proleague would get an more outstanding and elitist tournament than they are already. Don't know if others in the community think the same about that but feel free to pm me ... would be really interested to read opinions about that. Sorry for poor english ;P | ||
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An2quamaraN
Poland379 Posts
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C.K.
Germany2 Posts
On December 23 2012 06:56 An2quamaraN wrote: Good time for off-season for somebody maybe be the best time for a season for someone else. So difinitely answer is: no. don't really get it ... | ||
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btx0
Germany184 Posts
I think he means if there was an off-season, events would be more concentrated and as people's busy times over the year vary, some might miss more than others. | ||
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executorx
Germany81 Posts
On December 14 2012 06:10 BearStorm wrote: Breaks are good for high end tournaments like GSL and MLG. They build up hype and make each victory seem more significant, but I wouldn't mind if the less popular events occupied the time in between. The worst is when there is a lot of overlap. The worst is if there is nothing to watch. | ||
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KookyMonster
United States311 Posts
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norlock
Netherlands918 Posts
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Chronald
United States619 Posts
Look at this season of SPL. People freaked out when the announcement dropped, this is because it has been a while since the last proleague, and all the fans are super fucking hyped to see what NEW things the players are going to bring to the table this season. Its just like any other truly mainstream professional sport. There is an off season at the highest level of play that is used as marketting fodder and hype-generation, in which players are given extreme amounts of time to practice compared to an active-tournament schedule. This means players get really fucking good, really fucking fast. It has happened time and time again, where after the off-season major metagame shifts have happened and players are going to be busting out strategies that no one has ever seen before. The players need the break to push themselves to the next level, which will in turn push SC2 over the hump its been on recently IMO. | ||
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Zwirz
Poland11 Posts
Some e-sport fans have familys, work. And more important - Players need breaks. But! If top players will relax antoher have chance to be "stars" | ||
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lemonbone
Hong Kong154 Posts
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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EliteSK
Korea (South)251 Posts
Players need it more than viewers though. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
If there is big overlap, it's really really annoying and i just flat out wont tune in to one tournament if it means missing big games (big IMO) in the other one. | ||
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KristofferAG
Norway25712 Posts
What I would love to see is less GSL seasons in a year. Right now, winning a GSL really doesn't seem THAT huge. It's still huge, don't getme wrong, but when there are 5 seasons a year it's not as big of an achievement as say, winning an OSL. I'mma go with no. | ||
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EG.lectR
United States617 Posts
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Herry
England681 Posts
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SnowStormer
Norway275 Posts
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
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fenrysk
United States364 Posts
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Fuego
United Kingdom166 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
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phiinix
United States1169 Posts
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
Like I can't follow every NFL game (nor would I want to really) but I can track the standings, I know when the "BIG" games are, basically I know when I really want to pay attention and when it's okay if I let other priorities take precedence. With ESPORTS it's much harder to do this, I feel like I have to always be "ON" or else I'm not going to know what tournaments are when or when my favorite players are playing. I guess I'm just becoming more of a casual fan, which really sucks now that I think of about it, but also is a lot harder in ESPORTS than in other sports. An off-season would make this easier for me. | ||
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DRob
United States30 Posts
"I feel like I have to always be "ON" or else I'm not going to know what tournaments are when or when my favorite players are playing." Bingo. The key is better organization of information. Take sports in America. Football and baseball, there is a season but thousands and thousands of games are played. Most people will never see because they are minor leagues, college teams, high school, etc. But we know when the big game is because it is communicated well. This is what eSports needs. It needs intelligent hype (not just hype-hype) and good media to communicate what to pay attention to so I don't have to do an esports research project just because I was out for a week. | ||
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traceurling
United States1240 Posts
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
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Jecktor
United States41 Posts
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MIKster
Germany333 Posts
Minor events can function as filler for the off-seasons. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
I'd like the off season to be the whole of December, and then GSL/OSL/IPL/MLG/IEM/DH, whatever to start up 1st/2nd week in January. | ||
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ZiarDS
United States67 Posts
An official off season can not really be enforced without restricting the community as a whole. The main argument i seem to be getting from people is that in off-season would create more meaning for each tournament. Which is simply not true, Leagues will be forced to compete against each other under this free market the truly great ones will rise from the ashes. each League will try its best to accommodate it viewers for the simple reason that the viewer might go somewhere else. If you like an off-season theirs bound to be a league that if enough you ask will comply. | ||
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grmaster
Greece18 Posts
You can take a break while other tournaments are on but there is no reason for an off-season... | ||
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alvadr
135 Posts
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Zelun
Australia41 Posts
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Names
Canada328 Posts
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Renegadegorilla
England1 Post
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Zebrapudding
United States66 Posts
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ocoini
648 Posts
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Napoleon53
Denmark167 Posts
Now its like hundreds of different smaller tournaments with hundreds of different players. I cant really get hyped in the same way anymore. | ||
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arcHoniC
United States141 Posts
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
Okay it is not official and there is still something going on but not much. MLG said that they wont have another SC2 WOL tournament, NASL said the same. I am almost 100% that Dreamhack wont have another tournament before March either. So for a person like me that don't follow GSL (or not reguraly at least) will very little be happening over the next few months. At the moment my SC2 watching is down to watching EG-TL proleague matches. | ||
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
Players spent time with family and friends anyways, so less streams too. I would not mind more online tournaments like Zotac and Go4SC2...BUT you have to bring good casters too. | ||
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Clutch8
United States258 Posts
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dewulfman
United States12 Posts
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Mariosatr
294 Posts
The timeframe between these events during the "season" puts more pressure on them quickly, but during the "off season" there's not enough to do. Also, during the "event season" not only is it hard to catch every event, but also they can be running at the same time. If we had, for example, Dreamhack Winter in January (a bit late though, haha) and WCS Finals in February (again, this is just a placeholder), we'd be able to catch the events and have a reasonable timeframe between each one. | ||
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REDSEW
Korea (South)17 Posts
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TheShimmy
United States1808 Posts
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Razorspine
New Zealand29 Posts
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MrSourGit
England135 Posts
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PROPrototype
Canada36 Posts
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