EPTWhich race is the strongest right now? - Page 13
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Typhus
Norway122 Posts
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justin1850
United States1 Post
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Metaphorical
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hyperknight
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Chr15t
Denmark1103 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On March 14 2012 23:07 JimmiC wrote: this is silly, no one thinks there own race is strong because everyone thinks the reason they lose is the race they play not their own play. Yet everyone can choose the race they want. CRAZY Haven't you realized by now ? Noone play the best race because they have too much self respect. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Complaining about warpgates and forcefields? Really? Is my calendar wrong? Is this March 2011? Where were you when toss was in the shitter? People vote with their eyes. They see storm and force fields and wonder how the T or Z could have a-moved better and thus conclude that Toss is op. | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
On March 14 2012 12:27 MildSeven wrote: Protoss is unbelievably strong at the moment, and they've only just started learning how to use their full arsenal effectively. I'm seeing same comps as in almost as far as beta. Other races are the ones who learn more unique styles atm. Zerg and Terran unbelievebly strong too if you think about it. ^^ | ||
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Proko
United States1022 Posts
On March 15 2012 18:33 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote: not only P is the most broken race but it's also the most boring to watch. it's ridiculously easy to play P at mid-high level and the imbalance is clear and confirmed at pro level (especially in PvZ, mostly unwinable for Z) and the poll will pick P. Switch to P and keep talking. Everybody says Protoss is easy and OP but toss is the least successful race in the game. | ||
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gamingaddictmike
Canada30 Posts
"Which race is the strongest" is different from "Which race is "over powered" I don't want to sound incredibly rude but I feel zergs have a tendency to complain that they are weakest consistently and I just don't see that much proof in it (at least lately, obviously early days of SC2 was a zerg nightmare). I am a diamond random player so obviously I haven't been exposed to the high level of skill required to see the balance of the game in detail, but I actively watch GSL and other high level tournaments, and follow the strategies of the races through shows like "The Artosis Hour" and others that focus on analysis. I feel strategically even if my diamond status doesn't show it I have a pretty good knowledge of the races and their balances respectively. As such, I feel Zerg has strong advantages that Protoss and Terran don't, and the same is true for Terran having strong advantages over P and Z, and Protoss having strong advantages over T, Z..as the game was designed that way... I feel when mutas were dominating no zerg was willing to admit that at that Point in the game zerg was pretty strong...and it bothers me a bit, but maybe I'm just biased. At least when 1/1/1 came out terrans were OK with admitting it was very difficult to deal with.. At the moment I think a lot of the matchups aren't simply "strong" or "weak" but rather weak and strong at different times.. for example PvZ = Protoss being very strong with 2 base timing attacks and if microed perfectly it feels unstoppable..but then it is (imo) very weak when it comes down to hive tech + brood lords..at that point as a Zerg I feel I'm in a really strong spot as long as I'm smart about positioning (ie: it's my mistakes that cost me the game much like how it is vice versa for protoss early game) TvP = Terran early game pushes are very powerful and are incredibly difficult for toss to stop. A good 2 racks timing alone can end a protoss. Then moving into late game charge zealots are very strong with colossus and archon/storm... Still though I feel this matchup is more balanced (or at least more explored) and comes down to positioning... TvZ= Not as much to say on this because the ghost nerf really hurts T imo.....but still Hive is very difficult to stop.....I feel TvZ is pretty balanced too though (if not for the patch) Basically I find it's either a flaw in the game design or just the way it was designed, but for me I don't really believe anything is purely stronger 100% of the time...it's just difficult at different times. I also think players of each race should be more willing to admit that they may have an advantage, but this will only come if more players are willing to consider that it's not simply a balance issue.... Hope someone agrees with me ^^ | ||
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Woj
United States133 Posts
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razmusmoren
11 Posts
On March 14 2012 12:25 mrRoflpwn wrote: protoss wins a tournaments after 6 months~ protoss is immediately imba people are so pathetic. biased reply is biased. | ||
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-ReD-
Canada167 Posts
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SadMachine
United States98 Posts
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
Anyway I voted for zerg. | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
On March 14 2012 12:25 mrRoflpwn wrote: protoss wins a tournaments after 6 months~ protoss is immediately imba people are so pathetic. ALL SAID! I am P and what i can say is that Z is above P for sure ... not as unbalance as in SC-BW where PvZ is almost a free win for Z but still Z favored ... i can't pull out a clear win without cheesing the Z in some way at the beginning ... PvT seems more balanced. Don't know about ZvT. | ||
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gamingaddictmike
Canada30 Posts
On March 16 2012 04:48 Xeln4g4 wrote: ALL SAID! I am P and what i can say is that Z is above P for sure ... not as unbalance as in SC-BW where PvZ is almost a free win for Z but still Z favored ... i can't pull out a clear win without cheesing the Z in some way at the beginning ... PvT seems more balanced. Don't know about ZvT. But what is that actually based on? Like I think out of my 3 races I would say P is my favourite and i'm tempted to agree with you but the community can't just make blanket statements based entirely on their own performance. That's what IdrA does and he says P is ridiculously over powered that's what Naniwa does and he says P is under powered... it doesn't feel like an intelligent way to approach the matchup Without trying to sound conceited I feel the method I offered in which you look at it more complexly focusing on win rates, but match times too.. I hate when Zerg's get to hive..I hate that I feel have to think of new creative all ins (or rather steal other players new creative all ins) as protoss..but that doesn't mean that zerg is the clear favourite?? | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On March 15 2012 16:23 mokumoku wrote: everything is pretty balanced right now, the only thing that sucks in the game now is TvT. but i don't think they can fix it. Uh, what? | ||
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DarkMatterUK
United Kingdom33 Posts
For Terran the hardest match up is Zerg. Sure protoss have some nice timing attacks but using ghosts correctly and getting a good composition (which is part of the game) is the way to beat toss. With Zerg late game now it forces terran to either go mech from the off. Or do a polt and abuse the moveability of a slow BL army. Therefore from a Terran perspective - Zerg Lets look at Zerg. The hardest match up now is arguably Protoss? I feel this is because the meta game has changed (See some guy called MC or Genius about this) you could say ZvZ is hard? but its more of a dogfight really... So for Zerg, hardest match up is - Protoss And for Protoss. Well its difficult but Id say that both match ups are difficult. If a Terran goes late game the Protoss definitely has the advantage, however vs Zerg if you don't have a mothership your almost certainly dead. So its split. I guess you could say that : Late Game - Zerg Early Game - Terran Weighing it all up, with recent patches and such you'd have to say Zerg is in a powerful place right now. Protoss is doing alot better due to shifts in the metagame and the decreasing risk of mass mutalisk (DANG that was strong) and you cant discount terran. Early/Mid game Terran is extremely strong and stylistic choices are the main things to look at before saying theyre weak. I mean look at tournaments. And for those who are really hating on the protoss right now? Look at the best players in the world right now... MKP - Terran DonRaeGu - Zerg MMA - Terran NesTea- Zerg MC - Protoss This isnt stacked for any race? certainly not protoss. So calm down guys! The balance is producing exciting games and I cant wait for the next meta game switch where everyone starts hating terran again (: Marine are imba. | ||
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Mnemosyne13
Sweden3 Posts
Terran army is rather slow, they dont have the ability like protoss to warpin units so big maps is really a problem. About the units, Terran is really strong in lower leuages cuz of smaller units. All their DPS can get clumped up on a very small space compared to protoss that require a larger portion of space many times. The more clumped up the units are, the weaker they become to AOE like, fungle, storm, that better players use more often and more successful but its still needed to clump them up if you want to max your DPS. Fungle isnt nearly as dangerous for stalkers as for marines and terran lack of AOE spells (except a joke called seeker missile). Sure terran have ghosts with emp but they only work vs protoss and if we compare it to fungle EMP do less damage then the average fungle and dont root(imba) the units. People complained about ghosts dealing too much damage, one snipe 45 dmg or whatever but how much does a fungle deal? Its just incredible sometimes. If we compare it to storm, guys, EMP can never kill protoss units no matter how much hits you get. But you dont need many storms to kill a stack of 25 marines. I belive it might be a psychological effect when they see their shields go down instantly but remember, its not like you even lose 50% of the total amount of health its way less and if Protoss storm would have the same effect on terran as EMP have on protoss? Few would even bother to dodge it. If id start playing a new race today, it would be Zerg no doubt. There are few maps like "SC1 BloodBath" in the mappool. Maybe its harder to play Zerg perfectly then the other races, but their potential are absolutley higher on most of the current maps. One question, why do we so rarley see aggressive zergs early on (exept in ZvZ) while both Z and P try to be it. Answer is an unmatched accelerated growth, they can but dont have too, its better to play defensive. While the other races more or less have to keep preassure or zerg goes out of controll. That standard zerg macro cheese is ... awesome =) | ||
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