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BLACKnegro
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1 Post
March 15 2012 23:38 GMT
#281
Terran is far from op right now. It seems as if Toss is evolving more and more and are finding countless ways of countering every T v P/ P v Z match-up. Toss is raping it right now and if you can't see that then there's something wrong with you!
Once you go BLACK, you're gonna need a wheelchair.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
March 16 2012 00:04 GMT
#282
I dont understand how protoss is strongest when half terrans i play walk into my storms, other just stand in them...
PopcornColonel
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
March 16 2012 00:14 GMT
#283
I have no idea why people are choosing Protoss when it's statistically inaccurate... Sure TvP slightly (if not more than slightly) favours protoss, but the gap in ZvP favouring zerg is far wider than that in TvP.
Zerg delenda est.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
March 16 2012 00:21 GMT
#284
On March 16 2012 09:14 PopcornColonel wrote:
I have no idea why people are choosing Protoss when it's statistically inaccurate... Sure TvP slightly (if not more than slightly) favours protoss, but the gap in ZvP favouring zerg is far wider than that in TvP.


relax bro , i dont even know why this poll is here...name should be "to which race you lose most of the time"...
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
March 16 2012 01:12 GMT
#285
On March 16 2012 08:06 CFCryptos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 20:20 Mentalizor wrote:
On March 14 2012 12:34 PandaMonk wrote:
Look at win rates in korea. Protoss>all. Quarter finals this GSL, 1/2 protoss. Protoss seems to be the strongest but that doesn't mean they are OP. Gogo zerg!


That argument just doesn't work. One season we had 6/8 Terran players in the quarterfinals.
So... terran was super dominant. Even more so than P today. How much did blizzard nerf them? They only changed the ghost and now protoss is too strong? That doesn't make sence. Watch Stephano or any clearthinking zerg against a protoss. It aint pretty... But yeah...



Woah woah stop right there.. 1st of all are u freaking kidding me? ur saying only thing they nerfed is ghost? LOL Every patch terran gets nerfed i want you to go find a patch that terran didnt get nerfed in. Plx try cuz u wont find 1


To be fair... Since then the noteworthe changes for TvP is:
Longer raxx build time
Longer bunker build time
100% --> 75% salvage
EMP "only" does 100 dmg/energy drain rather than all the energy/shield and -1 radius on EMP
Ghost cost changed from 150/150 --> 200/100, which imo is a buff.

Changes not really changing the TvP metagame:
Faster BC's
Faster seeker missiles
Ghost snipe altered (doesn't change much for TvP since you will most likely be sniping dt/ht and maybe a few zlots, but that's not their main issue)
Blueflame going from +10 --> +5, which really doesn't alter much in TvP either.

So sure, there are some changes. But if you remove everything including ghosts you will have a +5sec raxx, a +10sec bunker and fewer minerals on salvaging. I realize there are actual factors on how a game can swing. But comparing to how protoss got hit with the nerfhammer since then (almost +1minute on warpgate research, removing khaydarin amulet) I cannot see, how those changes are actually worth mentioning as being the ones breaking the TvP metagame
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Svennedude
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium86 Posts
March 16 2012 01:30 GMT
#286
its always been like this protoss needs less apm then the other races to be good, thats the only thing that frustrates me about protoss. as a random player I always feel braindead after playing a few protoss games...
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
March 16 2012 01:37 GMT
#287
I have no idea why people are super QQing. Toss have played like they normally play? And now we imba??? What change made it happen. The phoenix upgrade? Tell me!
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
KookyMonster
Profile Joined January 2012
United States311 Posts
March 16 2012 01:48 GMT
#288
Protoss is by far the best if they don't get freaked out by harassments and are able to use basic protoss micro skills (FF, Storm, Feedback, etc.) But a lot of toss players can't do those things.
Paper is Imba. Scissors is fine. -Rock
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
March 16 2012 01:49 GMT
#289
So now the QQing about Protoss begins...
¯\_(シ)_/¯
ProxySilmaril
Profile Joined June 2011
81 Posts
March 16 2012 02:23 GMT
#290
This topic is so biased, everyone who cant win against toss, say they are strong but they arent. Ok late game they are strong against Terran, but how to get there??? Terran is so strong in Mid game! And also Zerg have the hardest time against Terran i think.
RRider
Profile Joined January 2012
United States16 Posts
March 16 2012 02:26 GMT
#291
these threads ask for the trolls, I never played protoss but they managed to get what a 52% win rate that means they imba! i watch pro games!!

anyway voted terran for the fact that there early game i feel is pretty darn good
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
March 16 2012 02:57 GMT
#292
Easily Terran at the highest level. Probably for NA server Protoss is strongest but it's just because we all suck at the game.
GloryOfAiur
Profile Joined October 2011
United States127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 03:42:40
March 16 2012 03:42 GMT
#293
The only thread where you can voice out game imbalance. I personally think the game is very balanced, not perfectly but very, to the point where loss in 99.999% of games have absolutely nothing to do with game balance. The game favors Protoss for the casual people in Silver to Grandmaster, but when you get to the point where decent people are (like GSL), it gets balanced imo.
ailouros
Profile Joined August 2008
United States193 Posts
March 16 2012 03:52 GMT
#294
i'm a Zerg. if we're talking raw potential, you play your ass off, utilize everything, great multitasking and effective APM then zerg is the best. but since we're nowhere near that i vote protoss.
Ailox
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway10 Posts
March 16 2012 04:01 GMT
#295
On March 14 2012 12:56 ForgeLife wrote:
protoss is SUPER weak in the early game. other than that they are the strongest, but honestly you can't really make a statement of which race is the strongest or not. it is almost perfectly balanced at this point.


Thank you ser!

People complaining about HT is just poor-.- By the sound of it people think storms are just to be thrown out... the time and gas spent to get a decent number of HTs with energy is quite large contra the fact that ONE emp at the right moment will render them dead or an inactive morphing archon...

As it is now I'd say it is all fairly ok. Only thing I can think of that I dislike at this poin is terran's mid-game ability to leave 2-3 tanks at home and be totally safe whilst their entire bio-army is stimming about in my main...
althought that is to blame on my own inability to handle drops well, not terran being OP.
Chill, Get the Fuck Out!
krnboyxjin
Profile Joined April 2011
United States98 Posts
March 16 2012 05:06 GMT
#296
the game itself is made so easy to play that all noobs can be masters league level...at this level...toss is pretty op since it requires less micro, much easier to macro, and unit composition is easier to....
but at the pros level.....where more micro and macro can be done to the max...it really is hard to say what is the best race.
Still..toss is a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot easier to play
starcrafttt and STORK!!! forevaaaaaaa!!!
Splynn
Profile Joined September 2011
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-16 05:31:26
March 16 2012 05:30 GMT
#297
Hmm... I didn't really think of the poll in terms of balance. I think the game is pretty well balanced overall, and the players determine who wins a given game more often than not.

So I voted zerg because Stephano dominates foreigners and DRG is the best player in the world right now (or at least last time we really got to see.) Both are zerg. I don't think zerg is op by any means, but the top players for zerg can beat pretty much anyone that comes at them.

Can't really say the same for either T or P; they both have to deal with the monsters that are DRG and Stephano ;x.
similarion
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada10 Posts
March 16 2012 05:31 GMT
#298
Bias poll since most players play Zerg and they would obviously say that other races are OP.
Burns
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2300 Posts
March 16 2012 06:32 GMT
#299
i always default terran, i didnt even care to worry about witch race is actually the strongest, however i did love reading all the comments
What do you mean you heard me during the night, these are quiet pants!
Scvhero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States20 Posts
March 16 2012 06:34 GMT
#300
this game is the definiton of balance....
SCV good to go sir!
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