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wrekkless
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada87 Posts
February 15 2012 22:53 GMT
#81
Why is there no option for "Willing to pay; but do not have the means."?

I'm pretty much fucked as far as watching this stuff now because I don't have a credit card and nobody I know will lend me theirs for this. (They don't support E-Sports :'( )
Knowledge is power, so use that Observer!
5ukkub
Profile Joined September 2009
Poland507 Posts
February 15 2012 23:04 GMT
#82
Does MLG have to go "gimme ur money nao!" way?

We are talking about internets guys... When was the last time you've paid 20$ to watch something via internet?
Going this route I feel MLG is gonna fail :/

Sponsors + advertisers should be the way to go, just like in real sports.
Rationalism - Don't take evereything what you hear as a fact! Thinking process makes us human.
Taiidan
Profile Joined January 2012
10 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 00:49:28
February 16 2012 00:40 GMT
#83
I'm completely against this.

I understand that this is a buisness but if you actually look at long term growth instead of short term profits they're shooting themselves in the foot as the price point could be a barrier for the uninitiated or even casual fans. I can't tell my friends anymore, "hey man you should check this out". And that will be detrimental to the growth of eSports.

The Super Bowl attracted a record breaking 111 million viewers this year, many of which I guarentee you don't regularly watch football and would not be interested if they had to pay any amount to watch it, and over the years they probably rack up new fans that become regular viewers. If it was PPV how much do you think that number would have been affected?

I believe it's simply a better model in the long run to have something out there for free and it makes the fans and viewers happy. I hope that MLG goes back to that.
Marzocchi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States58 Posts
February 16 2012 00:50 GMT
#84
Wait...

People are actually upset over the cost of a two day event?

$20..... really?

That price point is making this a financial hardship for people?

Twenty WHOLE dollars?

Anyone on here who cannot afford $20 to watch pros play in an excellent format, with top quality production value really, REALLy needs to reconsider their priorities.
AimlessAmoeba
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada704 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 01:11:11
February 16 2012 01:10 GMT
#85
I don't like paying this much PER event. It's too much. If this were to be the cost for every event they held, it would rival the cost of season tickets at certain arenas.

I'd happily pay ~$50 for the season though.

Edit: That being said, I will pay for this because I watched all of last season for free :D thanks for that MLG
Zenniv
Profile Joined September 2011
United States545 Posts
February 16 2012 01:36 GMT
#86
Compared to the GSL seasonal pass, the pricing for this event is entirely unjustified. If MLG has issues with budget, then they need to work on that themselves (through sponsorship, ads etc.) rather than ripping off the sc2 community.
fighter2_40
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States420 Posts
February 16 2012 01:42 GMT
#87
On February 16 2012 09:50 Marzocchi wrote:
Wait...

People are actually upset over the cost of a two day event?

$20..... really?

That price point is making this a financial hardship for people?

Twenty WHOLE dollars?

Anyone on here who cannot afford $20 to watch pros play in an excellent format, with top quality production value really, REALLy needs to reconsider their priorities.


Okay moneybags. Jkjk

It's not the absolute cost of 20$ that makes people annoyed, but the fact that by making the ticket price 20$, mlg becomes the most expensive sc2 program / game. What makes mlg that much better than gsl or other forms of free entertainment to warrant such a huge increase in prices when competitors maybe offer the same or better entertainment for less?
Jarek
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia35 Posts
February 16 2012 01:58 GMT
#88
This is definitely the way to go although I agree for the price of the ticket the content isn't worth it. I guess it's the fact over the years of e-Sports growing there was no need to pay for this kind of content although if you view it versus other sporting PPV's the content is far superior to what you get for the price.

Saying that, if I had the spare $20 I would pay for it.
azureskie
Profile Joined June 2010
United States17 Posts
February 16 2012 03:33 GMT
#89
I'd much rather buy a year pass for everything than ppv each individual event, feels like I'm getting a better deal that way, $20 for a season, sure, $20 for a weekend? No thanks. I'll be waiting for the vods this time around.
Taiidan
Profile Joined January 2012
10 Posts
February 16 2012 03:37 GMT
#90
On February 16 2012 09:50 Marzocchi wrote:
Wait...

People are actually upset over the cost of a two day event?

$20..... really?

That price point is making this a financial hardship for people?

Twenty WHOLE dollars?

Anyone on here who cannot afford $20 to watch pros play in an excellent format, with top quality production value really, REALLy needs to reconsider their priorities.

Please look at the bigger picture.

And again, think further than just that. 20$ isn't a complete deal breaker for most dedicated fans, but the big deal here is for someone uninitiated or a casual player that heard about eSports, they will never pay 20$ for something they don't really know will truly be worth watching.

Do you really want eSports to grow? Do you want more viewers? Do you want bigger sponsors? The fact of the matter is this will end up being a bottleneck for eSports. It is absolutely not the way to go.
oopsyoucantmove
Profile Joined February 2011
United States39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 04:04:53
February 16 2012 04:03 GMT
#91
I will pay for this tournament even though I am a gold member and they kinda gave us the shaft (MLG), however i am very unhappy with the bold approach. I am going to pay for this tournmanet solely because of tha players in it - no other reason. I feel like it should be 10 dollars and gold members should be grandfathered in. A year ago MLG was not nearly as big as it is presenting itself to be in 2012 however I became very drawn as soon as they started getting a giant variety (globally) of all the best players. I then bought a gold pass, and I think that alot of people like me mid year started believing in MLG as an organization that is trying to provide the top quality to its viewers, as was I. Now all of a sudden I feel like 20 dollars is insanely too high to start as "additional content" and all of the reasoning for it in the initial post were all a distraction for how ridiculously high the pricing is. I'm sorry guys but you are screwing up and I will still pay for it because of the players there, but if you don;t start appealing to the majority of the people here like you did last year, I don't see MLG making it through 2012 being profitable.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
February 16 2012 04:56 GMT
#92
On February 16 2012 09:50 Marzocchi wrote:
Wait...

People are actually upset over the cost of a two day event?

$20..... really?

That price point is making this a financial hardship for people?

Twenty WHOLE dollars?

Anyone on here who cannot afford $20 to watch pros play in an excellent format, with top quality production value really, REALLy needs to reconsider their priorities.

I do prioritize lol
SC2 is close to the bottom of list of priorities right now as a college guy rubbing pennies together.
Besides, if MLG really wanted to promote "ESports" (lol like SC2 is the only video game out there..) they wouldn't discourage casual viewers like this.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 05:17:00
February 16 2012 05:02 GMT
#93
On February 15 2012 08:09 eXigent. wrote:
man there seems to be such an uproar about shelling out a measly $20. I can make that in less than an hour at work...why are people soo thrifty? I guarantee 99% of you have spent $20 on something alot stupider than a MLG ticket.


So your personal life experience of being able to make $20 in less than an hour at your job is reflective of everyone who posts on TL? Everyone just happens to have decent wages at a decent job? I'm just going to be blunt, your opinion is just flat out elitist and arrogant.


Edit:

On February 16 2012 09:50 Marzocchi wrote:
Wait...

People are actually upset over the cost of a two day event?

$20..... really?

That price point is making this a financial hardship for people?

Twenty WHOLE dollars?

Anyone on here who cannot afford $20 to watch pros play in an excellent format, with top quality production value really, REALLy needs to reconsider their priorities.


And your post just doesn't make sense. You're confused that people are finding the $20 a financial hardship, then tell them they need to reconsider their priorities. They are considering their priorities, and paying for this MLG doesn't make the cut. If you mean they need to reconsider their priorities in terms of their economical situation, then you need to get off your cushy privileged high horse. I would love to see the day when everyone who works minimum wage could just say "fuck it, Imma just magically have a good paying job." Society on a global level would just be completely fucked.
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
stormseeker442
Profile Joined December 2011
United States60 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 05:38:10
February 16 2012 05:33 GMT
#94
On February 15 2012 08:09 eXigent. wrote:
man there seems to be such an uproar about shelling out a measly $20. I can make that in less than an hour at work...why are people soo thrifty? I guarantee 99% of you have spent $20 on something alot stupider than a MLG ticket.


I can't tell if your joking, or are that close minded.
You realize this is a video GAME. Targeted at the CASUAL player.
It also applies to young kids, and young adults. Most who may not have a job. With the econonmy, and unemployment poeple dont make $50 dollars like you. Some don't have access to a credit card, and there parents won't allow it. Some may be un-employed or eating top ramen in there dorm. Don't think of just yourself and make yourself the standard. If everyone made as much money as you, this would be a good deal.

Edit:
On a side note, I believe if they do this they will lose a lot of there young viewers, and the young kids inspiration.
I also believe this will open up needless lawsuits about people streaming the content on sites so other people may watch free of cost.
I know this has been big lately with sports such as MMA, Boxing, Football, Soccer, etc.
Let's not turn this sport into MONEY, many sports do this. Don't have prize pools of extreme amounts, don't pay players thousands of dollars. A product that is free is a better market plan. I see them doing this because ad blocker is so big now and they cannot get sufficient money out of there ads. The value of free appeals to young players, as well as old ones trying to get into the game, it inspires more people to see there favorite player, as youtube only has SO much.

I believe this is going in the wrong direction.
This is not WWE.
"You must be focused all the f*cking time because hes protoss, and this is Starcraft II" - Dimaga's Stream 9/24/12 5:26AM PST
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
February 16 2012 07:22 GMT
#95
I happily buy a GSL annual pass and GSTL seasons. However, this simply isn't worth $20 to me, especially when Assembly is the same weekend.
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
February 16 2012 07:26 GMT
#96
I think their pricing model should get fucked. Think of some better system because charging 20 bucks an event is dumb when a huge part of your demographic is younger people/uni students
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Taiidan
Profile Joined January 2012
10 Posts
February 16 2012 07:42 GMT
#97
Watch this video: ESPORTS in 2012, realize ad block is bad for eSports and disable it on Starcraft streams.
iEatWoofers
Profile Joined August 2011
Switzerland108 Posts
February 16 2012 08:38 GMT
#98
20 $ isn't that much... cheap bastards.
hillman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States162 Posts
February 16 2012 08:42 GMT
#99
This is purely speculative but here's a better model for MLG in my opinion:

Make it $5 per day and you will have way more viewers... first, you give people a chance to try it for a small fee. Its easy to drop $5 on the first day to see if you like it....some will only buy the championship day...either way you will sell more than the present price (in dollars, higher volume will likely overtake lower price). Also, you give the first day "sample buyers" the chance to get sucked into the tournament and potentially buy the successive days. Finally, the hardcore will buy all the days, and you can offer like a 12.95 package deal or some shit....This model would result in higher revenue by my estimates, overall more people would be willing to spend $5 and check it out....you have to make it incremental and cheap ... thus easy to get hooked.


People will be watching less exciting matches @ assembly and think "man I could buy MLG too and watch Nestea/MC/whoever right now"....Hit me up in PM MLG, looking for a job lol, have a finance degree...tongue in cheek but seriously you can PM me
VTArlock
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1763 Posts
February 16 2012 09:27 GMT
#100
I would pay $5-10 but no more. $20 is a LOT for a single weekend of sc2 games.
Why?
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