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Majynx
United States1431 Posts
On February 16 2012 18:27 VTArlock wrote: I would pay $5-10 but no more. $20 is a LOT for a single weekend of sc2 games. I agree, the price is too steep for just a weekend of games. I will still pay for this first event, hopefully it's quality/content is somewhat worth it. However, I won't keep shelling out $20 per future Arena event. | ||
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merz
Sweden2760 Posts
In the end e-sports needs to be sustainable in the sense that companies don't have to solely rely on sponsor money and ad revenue, but they came out a bit too strong Imo. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On February 16 2012 20:37 dignitas.merz wrote: The idea is good, the price they set is too high. I'm not a business expert but I can't see how (when looking at Assembly and GSL) they came to the conclusion of 20$. There are better alternatives that are cheaper/same cost (GSL) there are free alternatives (Assembly). Had they gone for 10-15$ tops for the first event and then gradually raised to 20-25, people wouldn't have been as upset. Also if you do the first one for 10$ and people actually like and value what they see for 10$, chances are they won't be too upset about paying an extra 5$ next time, and so forth. In the end e-sports needs to be sustainable in the sense that companies don't have to solely rely on sponsor money and ad revenue, but they came out a bit too strong Imo. It's not a good idea (yet). SCII does not have the fanbase to ever support such a model, until the game gets a bigger following a PPV business model will do more harm then good. | ||
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banzaiib
United States53 Posts
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Krogan
Sweden375 Posts
I really don't see how they value their tournament at $20 for a single weekend event and I think they would have sold 5 times the ppv at a $10 price. Btw I am not exactly sure how PPV works as we don't have it in Sweden but is this the same kind of PPV that the UFC does? | ||
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FuFighter
Germany60 Posts
On February 16 2012 22:54 Krogan wrote: Btw I am not exactly sure how PPV works as we don't have it in Sweden but is this the same kind of PPV that the UFC does? Yes, it is. You have to pay just to watch a special event (in this case the Winter Arena) compared to paying for a whole season (e.g. GSL season or MLG goldmembership). If you don't pay for it you cannot watch it at all since there is no freestream whatsoever. I know everybody wants eSports to grow and all that but I'm not sure anymore. If PPV is the future of eSports I can not and will not pay for it as I think PPV is a very bad business model. I like the idea of having a low quality stream with ads for free and paying if you want an HD stream without commercials (it feels more like a donnation). I am also fine with paying for a whole season of for example GSL (which you can watch for free (in low quality) if you watch it live btw). If this is the future of eSports however I will probably only watch GSL and that's it because I can't afford more/maybe could afford more but don't want to spend more money on watching other guys play SC2. Of course it's a question of personal taste: do you prefer GSL or MLG, do you prefer a league system or a one weekend tournament etc. but for me it would be a league and it would be the best of the best (players and casteres wise) which at the moment is GSL. Call me cheap, immature or not passionate for esports but that's just how it is. I'd much rather follow the live streams of my favourite player (which hopefully will still be for free) and check out their results on liquipedia than spending my money every weekend to watch a tournament. That being sad: I understand the idea of trying to make money off of SC2 and I'm not mad at MLG or anything because I don't feel like I'm entitled to anything. It would just make me sad if that was the future of eSports because I much rather spend my money on T-Shirts and tickets to actually watch a tournament live in person (and I did both of it several times before btw) than ever spending money on a PPV. | ||
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Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
$20 for a weekend tournament, with VOD's - which is notoriously filled with dead air and a lack of content - is not a good deal. I'll watch the free stream, deal with the adverts, and when (not if) they have dead air, I'll turn on a stream of something else. | ||
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TheOnlyNurSo
Germany50 Posts
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Taiidan
10 Posts
On February 16 2012 23:21 FuFighter wrote: Yes, it is. You have to pay just to watch a special event (in this case the Winter Arena) compared to paying for a whole season (e.g. GSL season or MLG goldmembership). If you don't pay for it you cannot watch it at all since there is no freestream whatsoever. I know everybody wants eSports to grow and all that but I'm not sure anymore. If PPV is the future of eSports I can not and will not pay for it as I think PPV is a very bad business model. I like the idea of having a low quality stream with ads for free and paying if you want an HD stream without commercials (it feels more like a donnation). I am also fine with paying for a whole season of for example GSL (which you can watch for free (in low quality) if you watch it live btw). If this is the future of eSports however I will probably only watch GSL and that's it because I can't afford more/maybe could afford more but don't want to spend more money on watching other guys play SC2. Of course it's a question of personal taste: do you prefer GSL or MLG, do you prefer a league system or a one weekend tournament etc. but for me it would be a league and it would be the best of the best (players and casteres wise) which at the moment is GSL. Call me cheap, immature or not passionate for esports but that's just how it is. I'd much rather follow the live streams of my favourite player (which hopefully will still be for free) and check out their results on liquipedia than spending my money every weekend to watch a tournament. That being sad: I understand the idea of trying to make money off of SC2 and I'm not mad at MLG or anything because I don't feel like I'm entitled to anything. It would just make me sad if that was the future of eSports because I much rather spend my money on T-Shirts and tickets to actually watch a tournament live in person (and I did both of it several times before btw) than ever spending money on a PPV. It's the complete opposite! PPV hinders the growth of eSports. PPV = less viewers = less exposure = bad for eSports. All this does is give them short term money over long term growth, which is an aweful trade-off. If they actually stick it out with a free service supported by ads and sponsors the viewer count will continue to grow and eventually end up being more of a profit. And if you actually look at history, when a certain thing gets enough exposure, the big name sponsors notice and start to roll in, and that's when everythign explodes. These events will make tons of profit. Why do you think all major sports are not PPV? If at least they had a low quality stream for free that would be half as bad. It's bad for viewers, and even bad for long term profits, so it's honestly just a greedy move on their part and I flat out hate it. Ultimitely PPV is bad for eSports, period. | ||
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SpeedSloth
United States9 Posts
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DreamChaser
1649 Posts
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verne
United States43 Posts
On February 15 2012 08:07 jax1492 wrote: Lets put it this way, its been free so people expect it to be free ... i would pay for a season pass for all events but not for just one. they did that with the last event. it was called the Gold package and you paid 1 time for a years worth of MLG "pro curcuit" events. Now here we are the first event of the year and they are not honoring the Gold membership. They lost all credibility with this move. And at the same time took a giant shit on their current paying customers. It's like selling a guy a red car, then repainting it blue. When dude comes to pick up the car HE PAID FOR, they SWEAR this blue car is not the red car he already purchased and want to jack the price up and resell it to the guy that already paid for the car. | ||
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mjmrgn9797
United States1 Post
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BraveProbe
36 Posts
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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darkwithin
8 Posts
I see no problem... | ||
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P0ckets
United States430 Posts
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MSMatrix
United States3 Posts
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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