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On February 16 2012 18:27 VTArlock wrote: I would pay $5-10 but no more. $20 is a LOT for a single weekend of sc2 games.
I agree, the price is too steep for just a weekend of games. I will still pay for this first event, hopefully it's quality/content is somewhat worth it. However, I won't keep shelling out $20 per future Arena event.
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The idea is good, the price they set is too high. I'm not a business expert but I can't see how (when looking at Assembly and GSL) they came to the conclusion of 20$. There are better alternatives that are cheaper/same cost (GSL) there are free alternatives (Assembly). Had they gone for 10-15$ tops for the first event and then gradually raised to 20-25, people wouldn't have been as upset. Also if you do the first one for 10$ and people actually like and value what they see for 10$, chances are they won't be too upset about paying an extra 5$ next time, and so forth.
In the end e-sports needs to be sustainable in the sense that companies don't have to solely rely on sponsor money and ad revenue, but they came out a bit too strong Imo.
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On February 16 2012 20:37 dignitas.merz wrote: The idea is good, the price they set is too high. I'm not a business expert but I can't see how (when looking at Assembly and GSL) they came to the conclusion of 20$. There are better alternatives that are cheaper/same cost (GSL) there are free alternatives (Assembly). Had they gone for 10-15$ tops for the first event and then gradually raised to 20-25, people wouldn't have been as upset. Also if you do the first one for 10$ and people actually like and value what they see for 10$, chances are they won't be too upset about paying an extra 5$ next time, and so forth.
In the end e-sports needs to be sustainable in the sense that companies don't have to solely rely on sponsor money and ad revenue, but they came out a bit too strong Imo.
It's not a good idea (yet). SCII does not have the fanbase to ever support such a model, until the game gets a bigger following a PPV business model will do more harm then good.
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What, ads not making them enough money? They're not going to make any ad money now, that they just annihilated their fan base.
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I wonder where they came up with the number of $20, that does seem rather expensive to me considering I what I get for 15 from GSL or for free from so many other tournaments. I remember I bought IGN Prime for like $80 but in that BF3 was included and it was a 2 years sub to all IPL tournaments.
I really don't see how they value their tournament at $20 for a single weekend event and I think they would have sold 5 times the ppv at a $10 price.
Btw I am not exactly sure how PPV works as we don't have it in Sweden but is this the same kind of PPV that the UFC does?
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On February 16 2012 22:54 Krogan wrote: Btw I am not exactly sure how PPV works as we don't have it in Sweden but is this the same kind of PPV that the UFC does?
Yes, it is. You have to pay just to watch a special event (in this case the Winter Arena) compared to paying for a whole season (e.g. GSL season or MLG goldmembership). If you don't pay for it you cannot watch it at all since there is no freestream whatsoever.
I know everybody wants eSports to grow and all that but I'm not sure anymore. If PPV is the future of eSports I can not and will not pay for it as I think PPV is a very bad business model. I like the idea of having a low quality stream with ads for free and paying if you want an HD stream without commercials (it feels more like a donnation). I am also fine with paying for a whole season of for example GSL (which you can watch for free (in low quality) if you watch it live btw). If this is the future of eSports however I will probably only watch GSL and that's it because I can't afford more/maybe could afford more but don't want to spend more money on watching other guys play SC2. Of course it's a question of personal taste: do you prefer GSL or MLG, do you prefer a league system or a one weekend tournament etc. but for me it would be a league and it would be the best of the best (players and casteres wise) which at the moment is GSL.
Call me cheap, immature or not passionate for esports but that's just how it is. I'd much rather follow the live streams of my favourite player (which hopefully will still be for free) and check out their results on liquipedia than spending my money every weekend to watch a tournament.
That being sad: I understand the idea of trying to make money off of SC2 and I'm not mad at MLG or anything because I don't feel like I'm entitled to anything. It would just make me sad if that was the future of eSports because I much rather spend my money on T-Shirts and tickets to actually watch a tournament live in person (and I did both of it several times before btw) than ever spending money on a PPV.
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I can get more value from GSL and get more content.
$20 for a weekend tournament, with VOD's - which is notoriously filled with dead air and a lack of content - is not a good deal. I'll watch the free stream, deal with the adverts, and when (not if) they have dead air, I'll turn on a stream of something else.
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i always loved the MLG events but it´s not worth 20dollars......
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On February 16 2012 23:21 FuFighter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2012 22:54 Krogan wrote: Btw I am not exactly sure how PPV works as we don't have it in Sweden but is this the same kind of PPV that the UFC does? Yes, it is. You have to pay just to watch a special event (in this case the Winter Arena) compared to paying for a whole season (e.g. GSL season or MLG goldmembership). If you don't pay for it you cannot watch it at all since there is no freestream whatsoever. I know everybody wants eSports to grow and all that but I'm not sure anymore. If PPV is the future of eSports I can not and will not pay for it as I think PPV is a very bad business model. I like the idea of having a low quality stream with ads for free and paying if you want an HD stream without commercials (it feels more like a donnation). I am also fine with paying for a whole season of for example GSL (which you can watch for free (in low quality) if you watch it live btw). If this is the future of eSports however I will probably only watch GSL and that's it because I can't afford more/maybe could afford more but don't want to spend more money on watching other guys play SC2. Of course it's a question of personal taste: do you prefer GSL or MLG, do you prefer a league system or a one weekend tournament etc. but for me it would be a league and it would be the best of the best (players and casteres wise) which at the moment is GSL. Call me cheap, immature or not passionate for esports but that's just how it is. I'd much rather follow the live streams of my favourite player (which hopefully will still be for free) and check out their results on liquipedia than spending my money every weekend to watch a tournament. That being sad: I understand the idea of trying to make money off of SC2 and I'm not mad at MLG or anything because I don't feel like I'm entitled to anything. It would just make me sad if that was the future of eSports because I much rather spend my money on T-Shirts and tickets to actually watch a tournament live in person (and I did both of it several times before btw) than ever spending money on a PPV. It's the complete opposite! PPV hinders the growth of eSports. PPV = less viewers = less exposure = bad for eSports. All this does is give them short term money over long term growth, which is an aweful trade-off. If they actually stick it out with a free service supported by ads and sponsors the viewer count will continue to grow and eventually end up being more of a profit. And if you actually look at history, when a certain thing gets enough exposure, the big name sponsors notice and start to roll in, and that's when everythign explodes. These events will make tons of profit. Why do you think all major sports are not PPV?
If at least they had a low quality stream for free that would be half as bad. It's bad for viewers, and even bad for long term profits, so it's honestly just a greedy move on their part and I flat out hate it. Ultimitely PPV is bad for eSports, period.
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Waits till gets spot light, becomes cancer.
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10$ i think is reasonable, for 3 days of action thats not bad.
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On February 15 2012 08:07 jax1492 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 07:53 VIPlol wrote: I feel like most people in this community wants everything to be handed out free to 'em :S Lets put it this way, its been free so people expect it to be free ... i would pay for a season pass for all events but not for just one.
they did that with the last event. it was called the Gold package and you paid 1 time for a years worth of MLG "pro curcuit" events. Now here we are the first event of the year and they are not honoring the Gold membership.
They lost all credibility with this move. And at the same time took a giant shit on their current paying customers.
It's like selling a guy a red car, then repainting it blue. When dude comes to pick up the car HE PAID FOR, they SWEAR this blue car is not the red car he already purchased and want to jack the price up and resell it to the guy that already paid for the car.
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As of this post, 77% say they will NOT pay! and only 11% say they will pay. Hopefully MLG will take the hint and be progressive rather than regressive.
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Sorry. If the GSL didn't exists I (and my friends as well) might consider paying for this, but at the moment I will definitely not pay to watch MLG. And it really isn't about money for us, just the fact that there isn't enough incentive when I get so much high quality content with the GSL already.
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Don't like it 1 bit. If they somehow succeeded which I hope the PPV model won't. Why shouldn't every other tournament do it? Should everyone be expected to pay 20 dollars every week just to catch the tournament? I think the way to go is the GSL way, always provide a free stream(Isn't this required by Blizzard anyway to get a tournament license?) and provide a HD stream that users can pay for if they feel like and avoid the ads aswell.
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If you cant stream "HD" because its too "expensive" - get more sponsors I see no problem...
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I am a Gold member and he pretty much lost our trust and thew us under the bus. Because of what he did I will not be buying Winter Arena and won't renew my Gold even though I enjoye MLG content.
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SC2 isn't worth enough for me to pay for. (I don't pay for any PPV events for any other sport, either.)
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too many options already exist, most of which is still free. The best of which GSL has many many many many more games in the year.
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