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krjay
Profile Joined April 2010
United States35 Posts
February 17 2012 20:23 GMT
#141
I get it. And I will not PPV specifically because of Sundance's arrogance and stupidity on Lo3.
lock203
Profile Joined March 2011
United States43 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 21:17:16
February 17 2012 21:04 GMT
#142
The problem I see with the ppv format is that MLG/Esports are different than your other ppv sports. The top fighters in boxing/ufc are only going to fight 2-3 times a year, people will buy those events cause it's the only way to see the top guys.
SC2 is totally different model where you can watch top players daily for free, MLG isn't offering matches that no one hasn't already seen or won't see within the next month or so. Not to mention alot of the esport demagraphic are not gonna have as much desposable income as the other ppv sports demagraphics do.

I'm all for MLG trying this out and hope it works for them, but I have a feeling their results are gonna be pretty dismal. Not to many people will buy the cow when they can get the milk for free.
Where do whores go?
EZjijy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1039 Posts
February 17 2012 21:16 GMT
#143
If they continue with this model, they are essentially preventing any exposure to future spectators. What kind of a person would buy a 20$ ticket for something they are very foreign to? They're losing existing audiences too. I think the poll agrees with this.
infinitum
Profile Joined April 2011
United States83 Posts
February 18 2012 00:11 GMT
#144
If the poll numbers here are representative of the views of the entire starcraft audience, then it will have been a cost-effective thing to do.
Everything you know was forged from the remnants of a supernova.
OptIn
Profile Joined January 2012
United States19 Posts
February 18 2012 00:20 GMT
#145
I would agree with halting future spectaters and some existing ones. The bigest age group that watch this are just out of college to a teenager roughly 14 - 28 would be my guess this gets rid of 14-17 imo pretty hastily. Kids in college are trying to scrape by.. Ramen noodles anyone... and then you have the out of college crowd which are mixed with paying loans. Thats the biggest viewer base, if im not mistaken, granted I very well could be. I would rather them start with somthing like 5 - 10 dollar range and try and keep most of its current viewer base. I understand there trying to get more money to MLG and then more money to the players too. I don't mind that and hope they are succesful i would like to see E Sports being on G4 TV or an actual sports chanel like ESPN I think that would be awesome but there not going to get there without a viewer base for it. Im always optimistic though hope for the best prepare for the worst. =)
Drunkface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States46 Posts
February 18 2012 00:27 GMT
#146
These polls are so skewed because it doesn't actually show the amount of people that won't pay. What it does show is the amount of people that are somewhat displeased with having to spend the money and want to voice this opinion through the poll. Id say the mentality of about 1/3 if not more of the people saying they won't pay is "I'll probably still pay but I don't want to, so if I vote saying I won't then maybe MLG will see this and I will not have to pay in the future." Just my opinion.
"Maybe because my face look like ugly?"-DongRaeGu when asked why he doesn't have a girlfriend.
StreetWise
Profile Joined January 2010
United States594 Posts
February 18 2012 01:43 GMT
#147
I wish there was an option that says, good value, but it would be better at 10$. The current 20$ model is too much. However after watching LO3 episode, I think Sundance makes a good argument and has definitely thought out this new business model. He is trying to make a business after all, and judging from last year, has a good product.
I will not be poisoned by your bitterness
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
February 18 2012 03:33 GMT
#148
20 bucks?
I can take my lady to the movies for a night for less.
Date > MLG on off.

If they priced it better, if they didn't screw the gold memberships, if they gave it some thought... yeah I could get on board.
Sundance started the year by firing a bunch of people and then screwed over gold members with no discount and over charging the regular joes. Mean and lean indeed in 2012!

Hah.
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
Emperor_Earth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States824 Posts
February 18 2012 06:09 GMT
#149
NFL, NBA, NHL playoffs rely solely on ad revenue
NCAA March Madness relies purely on ad revenue
NCAAF Bowls rely solely on ad revenue

There is no prerogative to go to PPV. The onus is on the providers to try different models and see which one will find the best balance of profit and consumer retention. MLG will see the obvious difference between their planned PPV and Assembly's ad only revenue quite soon. Let us hope they realize their mistake before Day 2.
@Emperor_Earth ------- "Amat Victoria Curam."
TeTrodoToxIn
Profile Joined November 2011
United States18 Posts
February 18 2012 06:19 GMT
#150
They can try it if they want, just there isn't a big enough audience for it seems. It would be a better idea to just offer premium services instead of PPV.

Why not take the GOMtv route? Make it free to watch live at low bandwidth, first game of a series available for watching and if you want the rest of the replays/better quality streaming you can pay.
HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
February 18 2012 06:57 GMT
#151
I think it being 20$ really hurts the brunt of the viewers who will be tuning in, (Most likely college students or younger on a budget) However, the content may be worth the 20$ but there is no way of knowing because this is the first PPV event of it's kind as well as first Arena of 2012, So I think playing it safe on the first one is a better bet and waiting for the next Arena to make sure it's worth the money.
SlayerS Fighting!
HEROwithNOlegacy
Profile Joined June 2010
United States850 Posts
February 18 2012 06:58 GMT
#152
On February 18 2012 15:09 Emperor_Earth wrote:
NFL, NBA, NHL playoffs rely solely on ad revenue
NCAA March Madness relies purely on ad revenue
NCAAF Bowls rely solely on ad revenue

There is no prerogative to go to PPV. The onus is on the providers to try different models and see which one will find the best balance of profit and consumer retention. MLG will see the obvious difference between their planned PPV and Assembly's ad only revenue quite soon. Let us hope they realize their mistake before Day 2.
I hope a moderator bans you, clearly didn't listen to Lo3. NFL, NBA, NHL, everyone on T.V has a cable deal, as sundance explained you can only see the teams with the cable deals on T.V and for the NFL you have to be in the region to see teams play, unless you buy the NFL package. Please don't bring arrogance into this thread.
SlayerS Fighting!
ReD-FooT
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark22 Posts
February 18 2012 08:50 GMT
#153
I am kinda PO at this move because i am a gold member and payed what i expected was for a full year of HD streaming for the MLG events.
So now because i am a gold member instead of getting the content that i thought i payed for i get a 5$ discount on a 3 day event so i "only" have to pay 15 dollars.
Depending on how many of these events there will be this year i actually might end up saving money by buying the gold membership but with a big IF... If i actually buy the ticket for all these events.

But lets wait and see after this first event maybe they will change their minds and change the priceing, with 77% of the poll not wanting to pay it might end up hurting too much.
BackTrack
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada76 Posts
February 18 2012 09:30 GMT
#154
I think this just proves that e-sports "enthusiasts" are only really enthusiasts if it's free, bunch of cheap buggers.....the e-sports community need some better day jobs if you cant even pay what most people make in under an hour, and it lasts all weekend. It boggles my mind how every time some stream costs a little money, people go bat shit crazy over it, thinking they're entitled to free entertainment or they should boycott the event and make grand statements like "ohh that's rediculous, they're so unreasonable to charge me for the content, i'll never watch an MLG i have to pay for."

Stop being so cheap, and why not try giving back a little....YES YOU! how about you stop thinking so highly of yourself for a minute and actually support this thing you supposibly care so much about
Jintoss
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong117 Posts
February 18 2012 09:36 GMT
#155
Eventually they will find a balance between profit and peoples willingness to pay. Let's be honest, all things in the world are like this, and you know you want to watch MLG.

So I'm just be happy that you now have to spend on SC2 and esports like you would football or whatever - it has come a long way. This is also a lot cheaper than PPV boxing; or having a cable/satellite subscription for football/NBA/NHL/whatever seasons; or flying out to attend a F1 Grand Prix. But not only is it cheaper, its more 'significant'. Its a whole fucking tournament, not just a match - let's remember that.

That being said, I hope they do a good job amping up the drama so that people will feel glad they spent on MLG and not their local ripoff cinema concession stand with their 3000% return on the sale of popcorn. Personally, I would like a free MLG keychain gift for a years subscription. It's pretty standard and its such a nice, simple thing to do.
We are the blades of Aiur
Mallement
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark39 Posts
February 18 2012 10:09 GMT
#156
Think 20$ is too much just to watch the show.
MutantGenepool
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia115 Posts
February 18 2012 10:18 GMT
#157
I think they should ask the combatants, advertisers and sponsers. See what they say. I think it would a universal FFFFUUUUU!
If you're gonna get the stream add free, what's the point of the advertising?
EGRevival (Zerg) has more marines than Polt. ROOTNathanias
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3690 Posts
February 18 2012 10:59 GMT
#158
I like that MLG is trying this, I don't necessarily feel like the price is perfect, but honestly given what MLG has delivered to me for over a decade now I'll be glad to invest 20 bucks to help them grow
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 13:16:16
February 18 2012 13:12 GMT
#159
MLG quality is totally unsuitable for PPV.
The format prevent to have epic games at the end of the tourney (you're not gonna get Jjakji/Leennock quality without time to prepare and with 1X or 2X bo3 already played on 3days) and the production value is really low (break/little interaction with the players outside of the games etc...)

There are tournaments with free low quality streams which delivers a product with a suitable quality for PPV (GSL) and tournaments with free high quality streams. If you don't belong to one of these category (MLG/NASL) something is wrong with your model because the concurrence do it better.

On February 18 2012 18:30 BackTrack wrote:
I think this just proves that e-sports "enthusiasts" are only really enthusiasts if it's free, bunch of cheap buggers.....the e-sports community need some better day jobs if you cant even pay what most people make in under an hour, and it lasts all weekend. It boggles my mind how every time some stream costs a little money, people go bat shit crazy over it, thinking they're entitled to free entertainment or they should boycott the event and make grand statements like "ohh that's rediculous, they're so unreasonable to charge me for the content, i'll never watch an MLG i have to pay for."

Stop being so cheap, and why not try giving back a little....YES YOU! how about you stop thinking so highly of yourself for a minute and actually support this thing you supposibly care so much about



We're consumers period. I don't support an organization which provide a PPV event with a slightly better player pool than an other even which happen at the same time with a free high quality stream. And if you're gonna talk about the koreans, just watch the GSL it's far better, quality of play is always crappy in 3/4 days tournament compare to those were players have time to prepare.
If you really want to support something, just do what reddit did: fly your favorite player to a tournament, not giving money to an organization which only goal (like every organization) is to make benefit.
Zest fanboy.
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
February 18 2012 14:06 GMT
#160
As long as thair not like the gsl, If every tournoment did that sc2 would grow so much more slowly.
4th August 2012...Never forget.....
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