On May 09 2011 12:18 Holgerius wrote: I'd say Bisu would have a pretty good chance of taking down JD in a PL game. Probably just as good as Flash. However, he has proved NOTHING in Starleagues and BoX's for a ridiculously long time.
Yeah, seriously. Bisu has turned into Flash 2009 at this point - proleague monster, capable of beating anyone and the favorite against almost everyone, but with some specific weaknesses (Bisu can't beat Flash right now without a lot of things going his way ... such as a BO advantage on Aztec, yeah he earned that win but still). Also, thoroughly incapable of getting deep in leagues, to the point where we can't even tell if he'd be good in BoX because he's NOT MAKING ANY.
Flash has been surprisingly mediocre lately by his standards. It really hasn't been a good month for him and it's amazing how Bisu/Flash are both simultaneously looking very flawed these days yet still clearly head and shoulders above any possible #4. I still think Flash can gear back up to 100% by the MSL finals (which he will make against the Dong) and the stars are aligning for this to be the best FvJ ever - golden badge and Nada's record on the line, Jaedong's ZvT looking better than anyone's ZvT has ever, the roles being reversed with Flash being the old favorite who is looking a little worn down all of a sudden, reasonable maps (maybe??).
FvJ just isn't as fun when Flash is humming on all cylinders and Jaedong isn't, and I say this as a Flash fan who admittedly doesn't mind watching Flash stomp, because Flash at his peak is just too good for things to be interesting, and ZvT is simply too hard against someone that good when the Zerg isn't rocking that matchup.
Who would you pick to win head to head? Flash. Who would you pick to win a starleague? Flash. Who would you rather have as your team's ace? It's arguable, but I'd sure pick Flash.
Who would you pick yo win head to head between JD and Bisu? Bisu. So who should be #1? Who would you pick to win a SL? Bisu if he does not faces Flash in group stage. JD if he does not face Bisu in Group stage (which is true). Flash if he doesn't have to face JD again. He was destroyed the last two times. So who is the favorite? Who would you rather have as your team's ace? Hard to tell, it depends on your team's roster. If you need a Zerg killer, Bisu or JD; Terran killer, JD or Flash or Bisu; Protoss killer, JD or Flash. Who would you think will be most likely to lose random games to inferior players? Flash. (a fact) Who would you think will be most likely to lose in the WL final? Flash. (a fact, JD was not in the final) And Bisu-Flash ratio was 1-2. Bisu's win was the final decider. He won JD before that also. Just some opinions, plz don't bash me.
hmm very good PR this month. though i believe Leta shouldn't be this high up. he's really been poor in SPL lately. Plus I also think iris should be ranked a little bit higher considering he's from ACE and they don't get enough practice time. but that's just my opinion.
Don't agree with Bisu over Flash, I didn't think the games were close at all, and Bisu is once again out of yet another MSL (ro32) while Flash is in the ro8. Other than that all seems ok, Iris got his well deserved spot on the PR.
JD at the top of the PR again brings us one step closer to world peace. I'd love to comment on more of the PR but nothing else seems relevant in my biased mind.
The top half of the PR I pretty much agree with, but damn, I can't say anyone particularly sticks out for the bottom half. Though I guess since that's so, I can't really argue with that half because everyone else shows more weakness than those 5. Oh and cool sheep.
On May 09 2011 14:47 Deeeno wrote: JD at the top of the PR again brings us one step closer to world peace. I'd love to comment on more of the PR but nothing else seems relevant in my biased mind.
Funny how a Tyrant on top of the food chain brings us closer to world peace (especially when god himself is only third).
I know you gave ample justification for Bisu over Flash, but I just can't agree with it, given that Flash beat Bisu twice and knocked Bisu out of the MSL. It's close, but I think Flash should be on top.
Flash-Jaedong-Bisu is turning to be a rock-paper-scissors soon, with the wrong matchup being favored at each of the 3 turns. (Of course, taking into account jaedong will continue to beat flash). WOO HOOO JAEDONG edit: why are the posters posting without the sheep in them not being banned? + Show Spoiler +
I also think Flash should have been #2 and Bisu #3. I get pretty nervous when I see Bisu PvP. Like yesterday's match against Khan, I was relieved to see Bisu playing great rather than Stork in set 5, and was again relieved to see it was Fantasy sent as the ace to face Stork. On the other hand, no matter who I see Flash play against, I always think that Flash is going to win. Whether he does or not is another matter, but his overall "force" is still undeniable. (However, the Bisu fan in me is happy to see him at #2 ^^)
Thanks for the great writeup as usual! (and omg that sheep is too cute!)
This is a bad PR. Bisu as second when Flash rolfstomped him twice in a row? Bisu may be a good player on proleague, but he's terrible at individual leagues? When was the last time he played a BoX? The PR should take in account results both in proleague and in MSL/OSL. He should be clearly behind Flash. And what about the "if" in the group of death? If he had played Jaedong, he would have lost just like Flash. Jaedong went there to win and to prove a point. He would have beat Bisu easily.
I am a little worried about Jaedong in that he really, really should have lost to Reality. People trumpeted up his win and rallied around him there, but Reality essentially threw game 3 away after having sealed a win (why the fuck didn't he bunker up/seal off his base and win 2base Terran vs. 1base Zerg???)
Jaedong has looked incredibly impressive all month but that series was him getting out-thought and partially outplayed by a relative unknown and only winning through a fluke of bad decision-making at the last possible moment.
I still think he should be #1, with Flash #2 (Bisu has major weaknesses in decision-making and wins too many games through intimidation factor alone, not to mention getting badly beat by Flash in MSL and having not made a run at an individual league in FOREVER) but I'm not sure if JD has the stuff to hold onto it.
Actually, Bisu at #2 is the most glaring WTF for me, because he has seriously not shown his ability to consistently beat top players in a really long time now. He reminds me of Kal in a lot of ways, beating players we know are worse than him and sometimes taking games off players that are better, but getting badly hosed in series play against a superior player such as Flash or JD. I would not bet on him versus any S-class player in a BO5 and would be hesitant to bet on him versus many A+ players such as ZerO, Stork, or even possibly Sea. He is stubborn and has trouble adapting to unexpected situations and I see that bogging him down time and time again.
Bisu's success in PL is largely based on the new style of matches where players are not announced beforehand. When players are just practicing a standard macro game on various maps, it is easier for Bisu to just barrel forward and run a broad, consistent strategy without having to worry about shit falling out of line. As soon as a player has time to prepare for a specific matchup/map, I see him crumbling every time because he has no idea what to do. This is a thing that does not happen to Flash and to me makes Flash a clear #2 without a shred of doubt.
unless movie's just destroyed some people the last couple of days where i've not been able to watch anything i don't understand his inclusion at all, but it's only #10 and i don't think there's anyone that's a hugely glaring omission
On May 09 2011 17:12 tedster wrote: Actually, Bisu at #2 is the most glaring WTF for me, because he has seriously not shown his ability to consistently beat top players in a really long time now. He reminds me of Kal in a lot of ways, beating players we know are worse than him and sometimes taking games off players that are better, but getting badly hosed in series play against a superior player such as Flash or JD. I would not bet on him versus any S-class player in a BO5 and would be hesitant to bet on him versus many A+ players such as ZerO, Stork, or even possibly Sea. He is stubborn and has trouble adapting to unexpected situations and I see that bogging him down time and time again.
He won over JD 3 out of the last 4 they met since the beginning of this season. And that means a period of several months now. He just beat JD and Flash in a row in WL final and Flash didn't win him in any BoX recently. On the other hand, Flash has lost his power to consistently beat top players AND mediocre players for a while now. His last season's SLs runs (BOTH of them), his WL final. He lost to JD the last 2 times they met. He occasionally lost to Stork and Bisu. And he lost to a variety of players including Really, Much, Best, Baby...You base on 1 MSL to conclude that he is better than Bisu? I can say otherwise based on 1 WL playoff final. Some says look at how he dominated in some particular games when he won. I can say look at all BvZ games (when Bisu won, and there is a bunch of them), his PvT when he won (again, a bunch of them, including the game vs Flash), his PvP when he won (some great comebacks). So what now? About the MSL group stage, Bisu needs one win to advance. So it's safe to consider those games as two Bo1 on the same day. And people have a day off, just like Flash in the last MSL and JD when he lost to Hogil in the last OSL.
Don't get why everyone is hating on Bisu over Flash. I think he deserves this spot. There are many arguments to put Bisu over Flash (yes of course the other way round either), but PR will be written by (don't get me wrong) some (fixed) great editors, i.e. if someone else have written it, it could look different. So of course many of you are not satisfied with this months PR, but on the other hand, a lot of people do agree with this PR. Of course you dan have a different opinion, but saying " this is a bad PR" is too much I think. You should respect that PR, this is what I learned from the last PR's. In addition to that from my point of view, this is a good PR, the only thing is maybe I hoped Best appears in this month PR, but maybe he has not shown us enough stuff. Never the less, great PR hope you continue the good work.
Nice ranking but I don't agree with Bisu over Flash. The games weren't close at all; Flash straight up outplayed Bisu twice. So what if Flash has a few losses to scrubs in SPL? What's important is that he made it through the Group of Death. Just repeatedly winning against scrubs in PL doesn't cut it for #2.
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