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On May 09 2011 19:09 writer22816 wrote:
Nice ranking but I don't agree with Bisu over Flash. The games weren't close at all; Flash straight up outplayed Bisu twice. So what if Flash has a few losses to scrubs in SPL? What's important is that he made it through the Group of Death. Just repeatedly winning against scrubs in PL doesn't cut it for #2.
Scrubs like Flash in WL Finals?
Scrubs like JD in a clutch Ace match?
Get your head out of you a**, thanks  , that happened all this month.
And the guy who thinks "Flash" is the one who is most likely to lose to a random scrub.. Just, no. That's Bisu/Stork (or "Protoss" for that matter), Flash is the most stable player since like.. ever.
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On May 09 2011 19:09 writer22816 wrote:
Nice ranking but I don't agree with Bisu over Flash. The games weren't close at all; Flash straight up outplayed Bisu twice. So what if Flash has a few losses to scrubs in SPL? What's important is that he made it through the Group of Death. Just repeatedly winning against scrubs in PL doesn't cut it for #2.
Losing against them is better? Lol I agree with you (not!). The important thing is making it out of Group of Death? Losing in the WL final even with plenty of time to prepare doesn't matter? Losing consecutively to JD doesn't matter?
Edit: remember MSL group stage was within one day, and people have a day off sometimes. Remember Flash's last MSL?
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On May 09 2011 19:15 SkytoM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 19:09 writer22816 wrote:
Nice ranking but I don't agree with Bisu over Flash. The games weren't close at all; Flash straight up outplayed Bisu twice. So what if Flash has a few losses to scrubs in SPL? What's important is that he made it through the Group of Death. Just repeatedly winning against scrubs in PL doesn't cut it for #2. Scrubs like Flash in WL Finals? Scrubs like JD in a clutch Ace match? Get your head out of you a**, thanks , that happened all this month. And the guy who thinks "Flash" is the one who is most likely to lose to a random scrub.. Just, no. That's Bisu/Stork (or "Protoss" for that matter), Flash is the most stable player since like.. ever.
Based on the "current" result, especially within the last 5 weeks, Flash, out of top 3, is the one who is most likely to lose to mediocre players, case in point: Much, Really, Best (when he is slumping). Bisu lost to Flash and Zero (Flash and JD both once lost to him this season).
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Fucking Iris ruining my anti-team.
Seriously though, good PR. Sad at the lack of P presence though, but P's haven't been doing great lately.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Bisu is out of the MSL though, that has got to count for something.
I don't agree with Movie over FBH but thats just fanboyism.
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On May 09 2011 19:32 Kipsate wrote:
Bisu is out of the MSL though, that has got to count for something.
I don't agree with Movie over FBH but thats just fanboyism.
Flash lost in the WL final, lost to JD twice, lost more matches than Bisu and JD did, now THOSE must count for something.
Edit: I don't want to pursue Flash fans to convincingly think that Bisu deserved #2 spot than Flash did. That would be unrealistic. I just want to point out that there are reasons to think so. And try to justify editor's opinion. It's not as ridiculous as some of you are accusing.
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
All is right with the world again. YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
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The top 3 is just like i imagined and just as i would put them in order. Bisu hasn't done well in individual leagues, but he is done amazing job in proleague, so imo deserves the 2nd spot over Flash.
Great PR, as always! CMON MAY, END ALREADY ~ 
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WAT???? JD #1 and Fantasy completely out of the PR???????????
I like it
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I don't see how Bisu has Jaedong's number after a few Bo1 victories.
I agree with Jaedong being at the top but not with Bisu being #2.
Everyone thought Bisu could beat Flash convincingly after his Bo1 defeat of Flash in winners league finals (though mostly SKT fanboys - just go look back at the live thread)...but everyone remembers what happened..it wasn't even funny..Bisu got stomped even when Flash had a bo disadvantage after his proxy rax was discovered. You could see it plainly on Flash's face, he thought he had lost it then and there.
Bisu has never beaten Jaedong in a bo3 or bo5 and I don't see how Bisu going around stomping lower level players in Proleague somehow makes him better than Flash. Bisu is not even in MSL anymore!
[updated with sheep!]
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Jaedong sits on the throne, again!!
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I woudn't have put Leta so high. What's more, I woudn't have put Leta PR at all.
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FBH showing us he should've stayed on the PR; 2-0 today with sick games.
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FBH should have been 9 or 10. Hooooooooooooooooly shit.
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Aw yeah, Jaedong at #1.
Also, the mandatory
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On May 09 2011 14:28 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2011 12:18 Holgerius wrote:
I'd say Bisu would have a pretty good chance of taking down JD in a PL game. Probably just as good as Flash. However, he has proved NOTHING in Starleagues and BoX's for a ridiculously long time. Yeah, seriously. Bisu has turned into Flash 2009 at this point - proleague monster, capable of beating anyone and the favorite against almost everyone, but with some specific weaknesses (Bisu can't beat Flash right now without a lot of things going his way ... such as a BO advantage on Aztec, yeah he earned that win but still)..
Aztec is an imbalanced map in PvT AND he had a BO advantage... A lot of progamers would have won in that situation.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Sigh, its too bad that FBH was a day too late with this, he definently deserves the #9 or 10# spot.
Next month, FBH will be on it, I am sure of it!
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Jaedong on top Baby!!!! JAEDONG FIGHTINGGGG
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I think it was to early to place Bisu over Flash . Flash has shown signs of weakness , but Bisu mainly plays PvZ nowadays while Flash is beeing targeted by all races . Bisu hasn't shown the dominance in PvP , he can be considered an underdog against a few protoss and 50% - 50% against others . Flash on the other hand is the clear favourite against every terran in the world even after droping 1 game against Really . Flash is also the favourite against Bisu , because he beat him twise in the group of death . Yes Flash lost to Best and Much , but those 2 players are one of the best PvTers of all time and can show brilliant games from time to time even while slumping . In his game against Much , Flash took a risk and with a little luck he could have won that game if he killed the nexus , his risky build didn't end up working to the fullest and he ended up losing . Bisu's PvZ while glorifing it isn't exactly invincible either top ZvPers like Zero , Hydra and Jaedong if he gets his shit in ZvP back together can beat him , just like players like Best can take games of Flash .
All in all i think that the facts that Flash is the best TvTer in the world and that he beat Bisu twise in the same day warrants enough evidence to put Flash over Bisu in the PR . In the end Flash will be aiming to get another title while Bisu will be stuck in PL again for some time now .
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i agree with the fact that jaedong has played better sc than flash has this month and wasn't surprised at jaedong being #1 but if you argue that flash was placed below bisu for losses to much and best, tvp, which is arguably his current "worst" match up while he has shown tremendous performance in TvT, it doesnt add up to jaedong being at #1 with his recent ZvZ losses which translated in Oz dropping a couple of games in SPL. that being said, I still respect the decision of Jaedong being #1 but disagree with Bisu being over Flash
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