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Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 17:59:47
May 09 2011 17:58 GMT
#121
On May 10 2011 02:45 noojOh wrote:
i agree with the fact that jaedong has played better sc than flash has this month and wasn't surprised at jaedong being #1 but if you argue that flash was placed below bisu for losses to much and best, tvp, which is arguably his current "worst" match up while he has shown tremendous performance in TvT, it doesnt add up to jaedong being at #1 with his recent ZvZ losses which translated in Oz dropping a couple of games in SPL. that being said, I still respect the decision of Jaedong being #1 but disagree with Bisu being over Flash


Except that there was only 1 ZvZ loss for Jaedong in the time period of this PR, and one loss to Bisu. Flash on the other hand has a loss to Bisu, one to Best, one to Much and one to Jaedong, along with another loss to Jaedong in the MSL, and fewer PL wins against a somewhat weaker lineup (wins against ggaemo, Movie, Hydra and S2 compared to Flash, Baby, Fantasy, S2 and Saint). So I think it adds up perfectly well.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 09 2011 18:29 GMT
#122
On May 09 2011 16:41 legaton wrote:
This is a bad PR. Bisu as second when Flash rolfstomped him twice in a row? Bisu may be a good player on proleague, but he's terrible at individual leagues? When was the last time he played a BoX?


His last bo3 was against Shine in Bacchus 2010, November 2010, but his last bo5 was in Avalon MSL, August 4th 2009, when he lost to Iris.

The last time Bisu won a Bo5? February 8th, 2009.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 09 2011 18:38 GMT
#123
Bisu got smashed in the last three or four Bo3s that he played too.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
MinoMino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1103 Posts
May 09 2011 19:19 GMT
#124
Great PR. Flash or Bisu for 2nd is a hard one. Really happy to see Mind so high up there, he's been kicking ass lately. I think Soulkey deserves a new TLPD picture with his current haircut so he doesn't look as ridiculous as in the current photo, haha.

Also, stop it with the sheeps already!

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WeRRa
Profile Joined December 2010
378 Posts
May 09 2011 19:22 GMT
#125
if looks at a performance of players u just look on how they do against each other.
sure bisu won just 1 games vs flash and lost 2, but this 2 games were close and u have to see that bisu never had a great pvt and still he does great vs any other t.
he is atm the best vs z player u can find a lot better than flash and he also destroyed jd a couple times, besides the cheese lurker play he lost too.
if bisu would have played at msl vs jf first, he would went up and not flash, so flash had luck in this terms.
flash current perfromance was pretty bad and shaky while bisu did pretty good and had clean wins.
so if u look at how they do against each other flash would be the better, but since u look at how they do over all bisu simply performs better and has an insanse vs z, while flashs match ups were shaky and he has no real match up wich is out of the ordinary.
InnoVation Fighting!!!
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 09 2011 19:23 GMT
#126
So nice to see Jaedong back on top (his ZvT is prob the best of all time atm).

I agree with most people saying Flash should be above Bisu. Your justification is reasonable, but I watched both games in the msl ro32 and in both games I never once felt like Flash had a chance of losing (even in the 2nd game, tho it was closer). He showed to just be plain better in those games imo.
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
May 09 2011 19:33 GMT
#127
I've been voting ACE recently ^.^, never done that before.

Go Go ACE

Go Go FBH!!!

Go Go Much!!!
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 20:44:36
May 09 2011 20:43 GMT
#128
I know I said this before, but here's more detail. Movie at #10 just confuses me. Nevermind FBH for a minute, let's compare him just to the other CJ Protoss:

Movie: 4-1, no MSL. Beat ZerO. Lost to Flash. Midas and check he should beat; beating ggaemo is a positive but Movie's known as a vZ player. I mean, it's a good month, but when he didn't even make the MST...

Snow: 5-3. Lost to by.hero in the MSL. If we get rid of that, he's 4-1 in Proleague just like Movie. He beat firebathero. He also beat RorO, who's improved recently even if his ZvP tends to be abysmal. Lost a PvP to Jaehoon, who is actually pretty good. Okay, so it's not "undefeated if he didn't play Flash", but just the fact of the MSL appearance looks better to me than Movie's record.

Horang2: 7-4. One loss to Ruby, but he beat Ruby to advance. Two losses to Grape are the biggest knock on him: he's supposed to be the PvP bonjwa. But that was a round further in the MSL than Snow got, and Movie didn't even make the MST. Non-MSL record is... oh, look. 4-1. Beat Iris, Shine, Pure who's PvP is pretty good - and Action if you think that counts for anything (I don't, really). His only loss was to HyuN, who's been red-hot, at least for him.

(Note: I didn't actually watch most of these games.)

So given that data-set...

Movie gets #10 and the other two don't even get CNBC? (To say nothing of fbh not making it...)
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
FakePlasticLove
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States357 Posts
May 09 2011 20:55 GMT
#129
Why are you counting games that happened after the ranking came out?
All walls are great if the roof doesn't fall
xxpack09
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2160 Posts
May 09 2011 20:57 GMT
#130
On May 10 2011 05:55 FakePlasticLove wrote:
Why are you counting games that happened after the ranking came out?


Yeah, this...

#10 has always been somewhat of a special spot though. I see Movie at #10 as a shoutout to all of the CJ Protoss playing the best starcraft of their careers (well, probably 2nd best for Movie, but still). They're absolutely demolishing proleague--can you imagine what CJ is gonna look like when Leta unslumps?
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
May 09 2011 21:15 GMT
#131
On May 10 2011 05:55 FakePlasticLove wrote:
Why are you counting games that happened after the ranking came out?


Uh, pretty sure I'm not, CJ hasn't played any games since the 8th. Ranking says 5/9 on it.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
El Deborador
Profile Joined March 2009
Bolivia6 Posts
May 09 2011 21:30 GMT
#132
Yeahhhh Inter Mind is the best player!!!! remember 2007, he will comback.
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Canadium
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada171 Posts
May 09 2011 21:38 GMT
#133
It's nice to see Jaedong looking scary in-game again.... But it's also nice to see him looking pleased after the games as well. Like his little smirk after beating Baby in PL. That game was nothing short of amazing.... It's also nice to see Movie sneak back in there again too.
You better run Charles....
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-09 22:55:10
May 09 2011 22:54 GMT
#134
(T)Really? Sure, (T)Flash might not be playing his (P)BeSt, but isn't #3 a bit (P)Much?
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gen.Sun
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States539 Posts
May 09 2011 23:24 GMT
#135
Stork fails in MSL and not on pr. /hangs self.
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 00:43:39
May 10 2011 00:38 GMT
#136
(P)Bisu (T)Really needs to best somone in a Starleague to show how much of a (Z)KiLLeR he is in (T)Reality. Not some overhyped (P)Movie.

Why doesn't best TLPDize?
i saw it TLPDize in the post 2 above mine.
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FakePlasticLove
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States357 Posts
May 10 2011 00:50 GMT
#137
It's (P)BeSt
All walls are great if the roof doesn't fall
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
May 10 2011 01:52 GMT
#138
Loved it.
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hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-10 02:21:11
May 10 2011 02:11 GMT
#139
Ew. I maintain that you shouldn't be above the guy who knocked you out of the MSL.

Flash has pulled through when it matters:

- Lose to Jaedong, advance by beating Bisu
- Lose to Really, convincingly destroy him Game 3
- Lose to Much, redeems himself in Ace

Arguably, his SWL Finals loss to Bisu, along with his SPL losses to Jaedong and BeSt were on nights that his team simply didn't show up.

Good to see Jaedong take #1 though.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
chisuri
Profile Joined January 2010
Vietnam789 Posts
May 10 2011 03:28 GMT
#140
On May 10 2011 11:11 hauton wrote:
Ew. I maintain that you shouldn't be above the guy who knocked you out of the MSL.

That is your opinion. My opinion is you shouldn't be above the guy who won over you in WL Final.
And talking about that, why should JD place above Bisu when he lost pretty much 75% the game versus Bisu this season?
My point is you can say Bisu>JD>Flash>Bisu all day long. So at the end who is the best? You can base on the MSL alone since that's when Flash beat Bisu, that's unreasonable. Bisu did beat Flash an JD in WL. So take WL-MSL+PL matches we have Bisu>Flash, period.
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