Most of the changes are good, not sure about the zealots build time switching. Pylon nerf = good! Bunker nerf = "Hell, it's about time"

Could do with a couple more buffs for zergies early game though, infestor change in the previous patch was all well and good but what about early game? And something to help get out of a tank contain before hive tech would be nice

TimeTale

Australia1 Post

April 28 2011 11:53 GMT

#63

to be honest i dont have a clue how this is going to effect me as a protoss player :/ i hope it isnt to bad :D

ava34

United Kingdom153 Posts

April 28 2011 12:34 GMT

#64

Unit stacking removal is silly. I suppose BW =/= SC2, but won't removing stacking just lead to a-move clumpiness?

Everything else is great. Blizz should be careful and watch if 2 gate gets rebuffed though.

vol_

Australia1608 Posts

April 28 2011 12:41 GMT

#65

Im worried about zealots in close positions in PvZ

decaf

Austria1797 Posts

April 28 2011 13:22 GMT

#66

blizz is getting good at balancing

Mr Showtime

United States1353 Posts

April 28 2011 14:03 GMT

#67

A lot more 2 gate proxys/rushes and a lot fewer 4 gates. That's all this change is gonna do. I'm not necessarily for or against it, but I don't know if they are really fixing anything. Toss has a HUGE advantage over zerg for early rushes imo. 150 for gateway and 100 for 1 zealot = 250 minerals. For zerg it's 200 spawning pool, 100 for enough lings to kill 1 zealot, 50 for the drone lost in the spawning pool, and 150 for the necessary queen = 500 minerals. Now obviously these seems like a bogus comparison, and it may be. But my point exist for the VERY early game rushes. Lings and zealots essentially cost the same since 1 zealot can take out 2 lings. The queen is necessary to make enough lings to defend with and that's expensive. Obviously this balances out shortly after when zerg can quickly mass up a bunch of units in an instant, but there is a big window where zerg is in horrible shape to defend an early zealot rush. Especially since the train time has been buffed.

lurked

Canada918 Posts

April 28 2011 15:28 GMT

#68

If it wasn't for the Ghost's gas cost reduction, I would've voted "Amazing", but lets just go with "Good job" for now.

Let's see how it changes before to hit live servers though.

Semtext

Germany287 Posts

April 28 2011 15:38 GMT

#69

On April 28 2011 04:23 Char711 wrote:
Not bad but I'm irked by some stuff. Did pylon radius really have to be changed? It's not like anyone was saying, "Man, that power radius on pylons is hella imba!"

Everyone who was getting 4gated and had units warped in on his high ground?

Falkner

Philippines9 Posts

April 28 2011 16:30 GMT

#70

i kinda liked the protoss nerf cause i hate being 4gated, im a protoss player too, i dont care about easy win, i want epic matches where win or lose doesnt matter.. :D

go blizzard :3

ps: bring the AMULET back! :/

iNfeRnaL

Germany1908 Posts

April 28 2011 18:18 GMT

#71

Listen up Blizzard, here is your REAL 4 gate fix:
TAKE OUT THE FUCKING BUG THAT YOU CAN WARP IN A MOTHERFUCKING UNIT INTO A GOD DAMN FORCE FIELD.
= NO fucking warpin on top of a ramp that you do N O T have FUCKING VISION OF.

/warpgate

Is that so hard...?!

LesPhoques

Canada782 Posts

April 28 2011 19:21 GMT

#72

Increasing warp gate time just messes up timing for many protoss players especially in higher levels. Decreasing pylon range is good enough in my opinion.

-orb-

United States5770 Posts

April 28 2011 19:54 GMT

#73

"good job"

Archon change is absolutely fantastic, should help fix PvP immensely coupled with the warpgate tech nerf.

Gateway change is a little too simplistic to just lower all the build times like that... 16 nexus will probably be a lot safer now and proxy gates will be too powerful I imagine.

intrigue

Washington, D.C9935 Posts

April 28 2011 20:45 GMT

#74

mm... i think in general everything sounds great. at the very least this is moving in the right direction.

Gackt_

335 Posts

April 28 2011 22:17 GMT

#75

so they'll fix the root for spore crawlers but not spine? I think spine crawlers should have the same root speed? zerg needs it.

and Im still having my hopes for the Queen getting the "beta off-creep speed" back. I never saw anything wrong in Spinecrawler rushes since terran and toss can do cannon and bunker rushes. Cheese vs Cheese.

Geovu

Estonia1344 Posts

April 28 2011 23:07 GMT

#76

On April 29 2011 07:17 Gackt_ wrote:
so they'll fix the root for spore crawlers but not spine? I think spine crawlers should have the same root speed? zerg needs it.

and Im still having my hopes for the Queen getting the "beta off-creep speed" back. I never saw anything wrong in Spinecrawler rushes since terran and toss can do cannon and bunker rushes. Cheese vs Cheese.

Queen rushes were fucking unstoppable lol. U herd of transfuse bro?
Also the spore crawler burrow time was kind of ridiculous, the only reason the probably haven't changed it in the past would be because of the sore Zergs being reminded of the spine crawler burrow time and start QQing over that.

I mean they had to couple it in with a 4 gate nerf just to take it somewhat off of Zergs' minds.

KovuTalli

United Kingdom325 Posts

April 29 2011 00:04 GMT

#77

I really dont see the Warp gate nerf is going to make too much of a Deal to toss, it just means they get one more production cycle before 4gate comes online. (or forces them to) - True it delays it by 40 seconds - depending on when stim/tanks are started it could make a huge deal (speaking on a TvP stand point) - or it may just make toss proxy more/do 4gate none warp for first push due to faster build times? idk. we'll see. Over all pretty Meh, the ghost buff is kinda nice I guess since Terran is gas heavy as it is.

nitdkim

1264 Posts

April 29 2011 00:32 GMT

#78

On April 28 2011 03:05 endy wrote:

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Thanks god they never did that in BW. Stacked corsairs vs scourges, stacked muta sniping HTs, etc. <3<3

Bunker that are not free anymore is a really good change though.

isn't it only referring to the viking flower trick?

Count9

China10928 Posts

April 29 2011 04:01 GMT

#79

Meh, nothing huge except the gate changes, but I honestly don't think that will make it to live so just a 'meh' from me until I play with it. Terran having more gas will be cool though, more medivacs with my ghosts or for ghost upgrades will be cool, might even get medivac energy.

Alethios

New Zealand2765 Posts

April 29 2011 04:25 GMT

#80

For the most part, I like the changes. The archon change in particular is reasonably subtle and exactly the sort of balance change blizzard should be implementing at this stage... The spore crawler root time decrease is nice, but i've never agreed with the increased time in the first place (how about spine crawler as well now?).

As opposed to the gateway change which takes does a hatchet job on all established early game protoss and vs protoss timings. All presumably as a highly questionable nerf to the 'overpowered' and 'unstoppable' 4 warp gate.

At the same time, i'm right behind changes to the warpgate mechanic, though i'm not sure this is the right way to go about it.