What do you think of 1.3.3 PTR Patch Notes?

On April 28 2011 03:05 endy wrote:


Thanks god they never did that in BW. Stacked corsairs vs scourges, stacked muta sniping HTs, etc. <3<3

Bunker that are not free anymore is a really good change though.

On April 28 2011 04:03 Cyanocyst wrote:
The Zerg change was pretty underwhelming for a PTR patch so i voted meh.

Though i think all changes are good, just nothing that gets me "excited" as a Zerg.

On April 28 2011 10:05 ChaseR wrote:
"Meh" Force Fields are still to cheap, increase energy cost at least.

I need to take a screenshot of the 30 FF's by 5+ full energy sentries spammed across the entire screen In a game I played :<

Double 4g in 2v2 is the most ridiculous OP thing I have ever experienced in SC2...3 times -_-
And I would know I'm World/Region: #48/#11 in R 2v2 and they get an insane amount of gateway units with very little cooldown and easily spending every ounce of resources, it's almost unbeatable.

On April 28 2011 16:45 icclown wrote:
what does PTR stand for? .... >.<

Bunker rushes are made less viable in 2 ways: Shorter re-burrow (always been something I've thought needed changes) and 75% returns, again, something where I feel 100% didn't make LOGICAL sense.

On April 28 2011 04:23 Char711 wrote:
Not bad but I'm irked by some stuff. Did pylon radius really have to be changed? It's not like anyone was saying, "Man, that power radius on pylons is hella imba!"

On April 29 2011 07:17 Gackt_ wrote:
so they'll fix the root for spore crawlers but not spine? I think spine crawlers should have the same root speed? zerg needs it.

and Im still having my hopes for the Queen getting the "beta off-creep speed" back. I never saw anything wrong in Spinecrawler rushes since terran and toss can do cannon and bunker rushes. Cheese vs Cheese.

On April 28 2011 03:05 endy wrote:


Thanks god they never did that in BW. Stacked corsairs vs scourges, stacked muta sniping HTs, etc. <3<3

Bunker that are not free anymore is a really good change though.

On April 29 2011 16:51 Craixs wrote:
disapointed, i want less hardcounters, nerf fungal and storm and no need to change ghost cost. I want tier 1 units to be usefull in the lategame like in bw, now getting 2 fungals and 30 marines dead. or 1 fungel and a baneling. -.- without even being able to move my men, the damage is insane, but the immobility is out of this world.

On April 29 2011 19:32 TheTurk wrote:
The world is crying "OP" for Protoss, so what do they do?
They buff Protoss.
With the new gateway timing protoss can fast expand and hold off a 2rax scv allin.
Proxy gates were a problem before and now they'll just be ridiculous.
15 Nexus is disgustingly powerful and not at all risky.
Delaying warp gate is NOT worth the gateway buff.
I would much rather deal with a 4gate.

Also, waiting for more than a spore crawler root time decrease.
They need to buff Zerg so badly.
Maybe Roach dps increase please?

On April 28 2011 03:45 pred470r wrote:
I don't play sc2 so I voted meh....

On April 29 2011 19:32 TheTurk wrote:
The world is crying "OP" for Protoss, so what do they do?
They buff Protoss.
With the new gateway timing protoss can fast expand and hold off a 2rax scv allin.
Proxy gates were a problem before and now they'll just be ridiculous.
15 Nexus is disgustingly powerful and not at all risky.
Delaying warp gate is NOT worth the gateway buff.
I would much rather deal with a 4gate.

On April 28 2011 03:45 pred470r wrote:
I don't play sc2 so I voted meh....

On April 29 2011 08:07 Geovu wrote:

Queen rushes were fucking unstoppable lol. U herd of transfuse bro?
Also the spore crawler burrow time was kind of ridiculous, the only reason the probably haven't changed it in the past would be because of the sore Zergs being reminded of the spine crawler burrow time and start QQing over that.

I mean they had to couple it in with a 4 gate nerf just to take it somewhat off of Zergs' minds.

On April 30 2011 03:54 Trobot wrote:
Kinda wish they'd shortened the root time for spine crawlers as well as spores. Not as drastically as 6 seconds, but still. :/

Other than that...back to 2-gates being the bane of my existence. ^_^

On April 28 2011 04:23 Char711 wrote:
Not bad but I'm irked by some stuff. Did pylon radius really have to be changed? It's not like anyone was saying, "Man, that power radius on pylons is hella imba!"

On April 29 2011 17:56 TossNub wrote:
I'm sorta confused as to all the terrans saying "the ghost change is good since all my T2 units are so gas heavy, now i can get ALL of my tech choices at T2 off 2 base"...
Protoss is WAYYYY more gas heavy. And it's not like "oh i think i wanna drop i'll make medivacs!" or "oh i think i'll play fortress style i'll make tanks!" but it's more of "I have to make sentries to be able to defend... i have to make obs to scout anything.... i already have a robo bay and the only way i can deal with MMM is colossi...." Being as forced to do things as we are all the units we're FORCED to make are gas heavy... it's not like "oh i think this game i wanna try a ghost timing push" or "oh this game I'm just gonna do standard MMM".... Wish with the HT nerf came a decrease in it's cost at least.... to make it worth taking the rist of getting it EMPed/sniped....

Apart from that, i don't mind most changes. Spore timing never mattered to me much, the pylon change... i guess will change 4 warpgate? i'm not good enough to comment on that i think. The warpgate timing will make almost no difference for a "safe" style player. But it will hurt a early aggressive or cheesy player. With the warpin time increase the unit time decrease was necessary.

Change i wish they would make:
Nerf colossi, but make HT more viable than they are now... Archon change does not coung -_-;;
With the nerf of colossi they'll need to nerf roaches for PvZ, since storm barely tickles a roach... apparently roaches can survive a lightening as well as a nuclear winter. With the nerf of roaches buff hydras.
Nerf marauders, since colossi and roaches are weaker marauders can be weaker to balance it out... But make mech more viable. Such as increase health for hellions (though their dmg against workers are a bit high)

I guess i want the current "dominating" strategy to be nerfed a bit, and the "alternative" strategy to be buffed a bit, so there's a lot more variety.
I can't speak as much for ZvT MU stuff, since i mainly play toss. Banelings seems a bit too... hit or miss. Sometimes reminds me of a reaver scarab. Except maybe a bit more controllable. And i guess thors sometimes makes me completely mis-judge who's going to come out ahead in a fight. o_o super range, super health, super dmg, super repair.. There needs to exist more than one way to effectively/at least even par counter a unit. Countering thors effectively is.... i almost feel impossible?

But my opinions on thors and banes are from very very limited experience apart from just obsing/watching games.

On April 30 2011 08:46 SxYSpAz wrote:
good job, cause 4 gate needed to be handled, in all matchups but mostly pvp, it was getting out of hand...


however blizzard who came up with the idea "HT SUPER NERF!!!! YEAAAAAAH!" (they did need to be nerfed a lil obviously, but amulet completely removed?) and then followed by "BUFF THE GHOSTS!!! PARTY TIME! EXCELLENT! WOO WOO WOO WOOOO"

On April 30 2011 08:57 SKaREO wrote:


It was addressing balancce issues. And for months players have observed how IMBA high templars are against any unit composition. Ghosts don't cost any less, just a different balance of minerals to gas which makes a lot of sense to me as a Terran player. Protoss got buffs in their early game making the need for 3-4 sentries to defend early Terran pressure is less important. I wish people would just use their brains instead of their races to determine what should be balanced.

On April 30 2011 09:12 SxYSpAz wrote:

well i wish u wouldn't assume that i'm being completely unreasonable. lets start off with the fact that 4gates were clearly too strong as i said "in all matchups", and if i was using my race i would have wanted to keep that clearly imbalanced strat in the game. i also am aware that there's early game buff, which is an obvious sacrifice for nerfing 4gate.

also, i said hts did need to be nerfed, because i be thinkin with meh noggin! i think its debatable that they needed to completely remove amulet tho. HTs are pretty horrible now, you shouldn't be able to warp in storms, but u shouldn't have to wait (i think it is) 40 seconds to storm, it puts u in super longterm defensive mode. they're really not a viable tech path now, and because of that, the other races are just kind of blindly preparing for collosi, because if u go HTs, you have huge disadvantage. Also, the reason u think the cost change is good as a terran player is because it IS a buff, terran is obviously more min heavy cause of mules

think with ur head brah, not ur race

On April 30 2011 19:56 Billiboes wrote:
do people not remember when the game just came out and 2 gate zealot pressure was used by the top tier players to pressure or allin zerg. 4 WG is just a little slower and because of the new protoss earlygame pressure thats possible the whole matchup is going to change.

On April 28 2011 09:47 frosecold wrote:
Ok most people says the protos are OP colosus Op and stuff like that, but has anyone though about air units as toss? We (im a toss player) dont have anything that can be compared to corruptors or vikings,

On April 28 2011 05:06 Optimator wrote:
Considering there are TWO expansions on the way I don't get too excited over patch notes. That said, anything that makes Ghosts cooler gets my hearty approval.

On April 30 2011 14:13 The Final Boss wrote:


How about this, if I can build my Ghosts any where near a Supply Depot, in 5 seconds, and have it start with enough energy to use my EMP, then you can have your amulet back. The real problem is that combining both a 5 second build time with instant storm is just too powerful.

It's downright ridiculous late game how powerful that is because a couple of really good storms can completely change the game the same way that a couple of brilliant EMPs can change the game. The difference is that Ghosts aren't able to be built anywhere on the map.

Late game being able to storm practically anywhere in 5 seconds was just too powerful and had too many uses. For example, it could be used to defend bases, instantly rebuild an army WITH massive splash damage (P already has one of the best instant replenish armies with Warpgates, late game when you have a lot of bases you could instantly replenish your HTs which you still can, just they take a little while longer the same way that a T must rebuild their Siege Tanks or Ghosts), it could be used to be offensive, or it could be used for harass (idk if you P's know what that is, but if you put a HT in a Prism you can go and storm the opponent's mineral line and kill their workers).

And as far as "but u shouldn't have to wait 40 seconds to storm," it's actually 44 in game seconds or so, and that's still less time than it takes to build an Infestor (50 seconds) and only four seconds more than it takes to build a Ghost (40 seconds). Of course, for the Ghost and Infestor you can only build it where you have production capabilities (plus for Ghost you need a tech lab on a barracks), they can't use their weaker spells like the HT can (because they're building obviously), and personally I would prefer Psionic Storm over EMP any day and possibly over Fungal Growth. EMP has it's uses, but it will never be able to actually kill your opponents army. If a T with a bio army ever falters and misses a HT, they can lose massive portions of their army in a matter of seconds. Plus, Psionic Storm has a lot wider variety of uses as I was saying, as it can be used to both defend expansions, be offensive, cover a retreating army, harass--EMP on the other hand really only has two uses which are to deplete energy and deplete P shields.

On May 01 2011 19:46 YosHGo wrote:


Could i remind you that ghost still has his nice energy upgrade, so is infestor, and woa ghost has a cloak and can shoot and snipe, not to mention those def/off nukes (your problem you dont use them..). simple go around his army and emp the crap out of them. To your late game status, you can do 4 prompt attack with medivacs and protoss can maybe 4 prompt-like smash his head into the wall.. Protoss is fucking immobile... This is somewhat being balanced out, believe it or not through out warpgate tech and leaving one two templar in each base(and to be quite honest did you ever see templar kill the whole drop by himself??), so we can place some random pylons and at least apply some pressure..(warp prism is a joke, right when first vikings pop-out, with so low health) Protoss has so powerful tech because otherwise it would be an unplayable race... HT's should have +15 energy upgrade (brood war style).. even though this doesnt touch the topic, what sense make buffing infestor after removing of amulet, like seriously you need more energy for feedback, once zerg gets mix of roach festor bling with overlord dropping youre dead meat yeh sure you wall your-self up with FF but then fungal goes down and the banerain comes on your head (As the song goes "sometimes i think feedback is lame, my templar has no energy but that's okay:D).. Anyway with archons being massive now i do believe that HT will become a viable option against it Still i am not sure how the 4gate thing will turn out.. it might end up
the same just with nice early units and kick time will be pushed around 8 minute mark

On May 01 2011 18:16 Korto Vos wrote:
I don´t llike this change ok 4 i weaker now but now each game will start with a 2gate wich will be very hard for zerg to defend and PvP will be like TvT just a boring macro game and at the end a fight wich goes like 20 sec...
I mean ok you also can play blink stalker or thinks like this but now when blink stalker come out ther are alrady a imortal and a collos so they are like useless and youre behind in the collos count...

On April 30 2011 14:13 The Final Boss wrote:


How about this, if I can build my Ghosts any where near a Supply Depot, in 5 seconds, and have it start with enough energy to use my EMP, then you can have your amulet back. The real problem is that combining both a 5 second build time with instant storm is just too powerful.

It's downright ridiculous late game how powerful that is because a couple of really good storms can completely change the game the same way that a couple of brilliant EMPs can change the game. The difference is that Ghosts aren't able to be built anywhere on the map.

Late game being able to storm practically anywhere in 5 seconds was just too powerful and had too many uses. For example, it could be used to defend bases, instantly rebuild an army WITH massive splash damage (P already has one of the best instant replenish armies with Warpgates, late game when you have a lot of bases you could instantly replenish your HTs which you still can, just they take a little while longer the same way that a T must rebuild their Siege Tanks or Ghosts), it could be used to be offensive, or it could be used for harass (idk if you P's know what that is, but if you put a HT in a Prism you can go and storm the opponent's mineral line and kill their workers).

And as far as "but u shouldn't have to wait 40 seconds to storm," it's actually 44 in game seconds or so, and that's still less time than it takes to build an Infestor (50 seconds) and only four seconds more than it takes to build a Ghost (40 seconds). Of course, for the Ghost and Infestor you can only build it where you have production capabilities (plus for Ghost you need a tech lab on a barracks), they can't use their weaker spells like the HT can (because they're building obviously), and personally I would prefer Psionic Storm over EMP any day and possibly over Fungal Growth. EMP has it's uses, but it will never be able to actually kill your opponents army. If a T with a bio army ever falters and misses a HT, they can lose massive portions of their army in a matter of seconds. Plus, Psionic Storm has a lot wider variety of uses as I was saying, as it can be used to both defend expansions, be offensive, cover a retreating army, harass--EMP on the other hand really only has two uses which are to deplete energy and deplete P shields.

Ghosts don't cost any less, just a different balance of minerals to gas which makes a lot of sense to me as a Terran player.

On April 28 2011 05:16 osand317 wrote:
Everything is good, except for the warp gate timing change. I am biased because I play protoss, but 40 seconds? really? I see what they are trying to do, but thats too far.

On May 04 2011 03:29 CaptainKirk wrote:
I have been playing Zerg since beta, and the one thing that would help Zerg the most would be having overseers not require lair tech. This would balance the game completely, for zerg anyways. Other than this, the recent balance changes are fine - except for the 38 to 33 second gateway production time for zealots. Now we are going to see an incredible amount of 2 gate and 2 gate proxy openings from toss - just like in beta. Forget FE as zerg vs toss any longer or prepare to lose the game in the first 4 minutes.

On April 28 2011 04:23 Char711 wrote:
Not bad but I'm irked by some stuff. Did pylon radius really have to be changed? It's not like anyone was saying, "Man, that power radius on pylons is hella imba!"

I'm interested to see how the gateway/warpgate turns out: I'm just as big a PvP hater as anyone else, but I'm also not sure if this will fully solve the problem. We're really just going to see more colossus wars now (or maybe phoenix play).

I lol'd when I saw the bunker change. It wouldn't be a patch without a bunker change.

A little wary of the ghost change, too. I don't think they're underpowered or too expensive, just underused. I don't expect/want that one to get through.

Spore crawler buff makes total sense since Zerg had way too hard of a time against especially Protoss early air (honestly, Cruncher? Quit it. Mega exploitative.).

On May 03 2011 03:10 ZaCloud wrote:
ghosts should be more like 150 / 100 ..

and why the bunker change?? dont get that...

protoss wins most of all tournaments, now why is that?...
and colossos is to strong.. their range should be 1 shorter

and reapers sux, they should be faster on creep than lings or they should get 1 more range or something..


mothership should be better also, no one uses em.. cheaper or something.. 100 cheaper?

and ultralisks should get 50 more hp or something..

i dunno.. but how many terrans wins tournaments overall? just curious

On May 05 2011 10:20 densha wrote:
The updated notes seem quite good to me. One of my major concerns as a Zerg player was proxy gating, but thankfully that's been reverted. I don't really see how +20 seconds will change PvP too much, though, but it could give high level players "wiggle room" to play around with. Really, I think the pylon range decrease is one of the more brilliant changes as it affects, in ways both large and small, any sort of proxy play.

Now I think if Blizz just takes another look at the Spine Crawler, the game would be so close to perfect. For example, I would like to see spines build in 40 seconds (instead of 50) with a root time of 6 seconds. I'd rather deal with slightly scarier ZvZ spine rushes than keep the current build/root times in ZvP and ZvT.

Anyway, I'm very happy with where they're going with this patch.

On May 06 2011 06:10 prock wrote:
<rage>why can terran just lift off a single building, put it in a corner and still be in the game?</rage>

On April 28 2011 02:36 FreezerJumps wrote:
Pylon change is something I never would have thought of, but lol zealot build time flip-flop.

I think the bunker change will fix everything though.

On May 07 2011 21:12 Crytch wrote:
thor energy is a fucking joke, why they removed it some ptaches before?

gogo, let ht counter every fucking unit of terran

On May 08 2011 15:16 theinfamousone wrote:


Do you realize ghosts counter everything protoss? EMP is like a giant feedback and psionic storm all in one AOE attack that has a huge cast distance and can't be run away from like storm. Don't worry, no one will use HTs even still. Even damage done feedbacking thors is not worth the cost of an HT if you were 100% positive it wouldn't die trying to get there. Go check out how much it costs to tech to HT. Watch Thorzain rip LiquidTyler apart in the TSL with thors. As it stands now, thors are basically the hard counter to immortals and colossus as one strike cannon rips through them before they can even get a shot off and the cool down is faster than the immortal/colossus build time. Herp derp.

Other than that, I'm happy they are attempting to fix PvP, at low levels it's fine, but watching high level PvP is so boring and coin flippy.

Blizzard wrote:
*fixed a bug where players could still micro their units.

On May 09 2011 04:23 Jaxo wrote:
As a zerg player im delightet :D
i had some major problems against fast warpgate tech and now that problem is fixed.
especially bunker rushing my expo or blocking my ramp isnt for free at all now for my opponent.
the only thing which needs zo be changed now is the phenix. its sooo hard so counter as a zerg....
they are soo fast and snipe my queens and overlords. but still a very good patch. only better one was 1.1^^

Countering thors effectively is.... i almost feel impossible?

Nerf colossi, but make HT more viable than they are now... Archon change does not coung -_-;;
With the nerf of colossi they'll need to nerf roaches for PvZ, since storm barely tickles a roach... apparently roaches can survive a lightening as well as a nuclear winter. With the nerf of roaches buff hydras.
Nerf marauders, since colossi and roaches are weaker marauders can be weaker to balance it out... But make mech more viable. Such as increase health for hellions (though their dmg against workers are a bit high)

On May 11 2011 00:02 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
I don't see why you would want colossi nerfed, they are a good unit when controlled well but if you miss micro then they're easily taken out but almost anything. The HT got nefted because they could storm straigh away making PvT and PvZ "imbalanced" so i don't see a buff coming along

On April 28 2011 03:45 pred470r wrote:
I don't play sc2 so I voted meh....