Power Rank 07/02/2010 - Page 25

On July 06 2010 20:50 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:

Not at all. Jaedong lost a ZvP vs one of the greatest PvZérs ever, even if Bisu was slumping lately, he's still better then Ruby. And he lost a ZvZ, which is the most volatile matchup in the game. I think it proves absolutely nothing.

On July 06 2010 21:22 Musoeun wrote:


Well, Flash did win a TvT again finally, against ...KHAN's 2nd-best (I'm guessing) Terran.

So yeah.

On July 06 2010 20:52 revy wrote:
I don't know about the whole "results after the PR is released can validate it" idea, I don't really like it. The PR isn't written to predict the future, it's more a statement of who would win in an impromptu BO5. Now sometimes these two things can align, but one being true does not necessarily imply the other is true.

On July 06 2010 20:45 HnR)hT wrote:
Today's results help Plexa's cause a lot I woudl say.

On July 06 2010 21:42 HnR)hT wrote:

You may not like the idea, but it's true . It's not out of the ordinary for subsequent information to shed light on past events or to necessitate a reassessment of past judgements or predictions. Whether the PR is "written to predict the future" has nothing to do with it. With only a few days having passed between now and when the PR was submitted, it can't really be argued that Jaedong has gotten worse and that he's no longer the same player.

IMO (and this point may be debatable, but to me seems obvious) the purpose of the PR is to rank according to who is the better player right now, given all available evidence. If you accept this, then the results of games played 5 days before the PR have approximately the same relevance as games played 5 days after the PR. The only reason that the latter evidence is not used is because it is impossible to know the future. This seems counterintuitive, but it's a simple point once grasped.

The only way you can logically disagree with the above is if you have a different conception of what the PR should be about. For example, some may think that the PR should judge who has been the best player last month, instead of who is the best player now given evidence mostly from last month. But I believe that if you think about it, that idea is just silly.

On July 06 2010 22:15 khellian wrote:

Alright, so we should actually go back and change the RPs in the middle of the month because of all this new information to take in to account then?

On July 06 2010 22:16 HnR)hT wrote:

WTF? How did you draw that conclusion from what I have written?

On July 06 2010 22:27 khellian wrote:

Ok, se we agree that it should not affect last months PR and have nothing to do with it?

On July 06 2010 22:33 HnR)hT wrote:

It is obvious and trivial (and I can' believe I have to say it) that the PR doesn't have to be rewritten with each new result, but that doesn't stop a past, and especially a recent PR, from being viewed in light of games that took place afterward.

On July 06 2010 23:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:
It's kind of silly to say it's completely negligible, though. The PR posited that Flash is still ahead of Jaedong, despite a worse record, and future events have thusfar helped a little in showing that.

On July 06 2010 23:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Obviously it can't have a retroactive effect, but it's ridiculous to say it doesn't help validate something controversial. Say Flash and Jaedong have a close month and Plexa puts Jaedong at #1 and Flash at #2, and then in the next week Flash beats Jaedong in a series -- this reflects poorly on his decision to state that Jaedong was ahead of Flash.

The rank is up on the site for an entire month before it can be changed, it has to have a sort of longevity between the months.

On July 06 2010 23:25 khellian wrote:

Why would it do that? Clearly in this case it was felt that Jaedong was the better player LAST month. Him losing THIS month doesn't change what he did last month. I just don't agree. I will drop this now.

On July 06 2010 23:25 khellian wrote:

Why would it do that? Clearly in this case it was felt that Jaedong was the better player LAST month. Him losing THIS month doesn't change what he did last month. I just don't agree. I will drop this now.

On July 06 2010 23:25 khellian wrote:

Why would it do that? Clearly in this case it was felt that Jaedong was the better player LAST month. Him losing THIS month doesn't change what he did last month. I just don't agree. I will drop this now.

On July 06 2010 23:49 nimoraca wrote:


I don't believe that PR tells you who was the "better" player last month. It tells you, AT THE TIME OF THE WRITING of the PR, who (in authors own opinion) is the strongest (most powerful) player in the world. It is called monthly PR because it comes out once in a month, not because it takes just the last month into consideration. Sure the last month statistics are taken into consideration. Usually the month before that is also taken into consideration (with less significance possibly). Also special events are given additional importance, like last played OSL, MSL and WL or PL finals. Pure statistics never was and never should be the only factor for creating the PR cause then you wouldn't need the the PR.