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On November 02 2009 06:26 Shauni wrote:
I usually do not disagree with powerranks but this month was a bit strange. I'd replace Kal with Zero, it seems like you even forgot to put him in close but no cigar which was very strange. Zero has been pretty impressive last month.
JD should switch with Stork.
Ruby should switch with Luxury for close but no cigar.
Zero beat no one good except  Light and  Jaedong (where he lost to him where it mattered most, ace match)
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I agree with JD at number 2. He's still the best even if this month hasnt been a great example of his talent
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HyuK FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wow terran are sucking.
Flash/Fantasy the only terrans.
none considered in CBNC
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On November 02 2009 03:35 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 03:05 MuffinDude wrote:On November 02 2009 03:02 Zato-1 wrote:
I can agree with 2 of this month's placements: Flash and Fantasy. I'm usually all for giving the PR creator a generous amount of discretion, but... this time, the placements were generally off the mark IMO. There's plenty of names I'd have shuffled around- generally the same ones you claimed would be contested. JD at #2 is... just... wrong.
I appreciate the effort, but I liked JWD's PRs much better- I can't relate to this one at all. Why? Because its skt biased? On November 02 2009 03:00 raga4ka wrote:On November 02 2009 02:51 MuffinDude wrote:On November 02 2009 02:49 raga4ka wrote:On November 02 2009 01:13 JWD wrote:
I strongly object to JD at 2. He has let down his team more than any other player in PL thus far, and for it he loses one spot in the PR? I think it's sad to see him so far ahead of players that beat him quite soundly this month. Uh he let down his team more then any other player my ass ... He lost 2 games 1 against SKT and 1 against KTF even if he did win them his team was still probably going to lose if his teammates can't win a game ..... Not to mention that the coach is sending Killer to do a Jaedong's job and that's probably JD's fault to ? He beat Zero for his team to take the win against WJ in the ACE match no one else on Hwaseung could beat Zero . JD losing 2 games isn't the big part why his team is losing it's because his teammates can't win an a regular basis . But he lost to hyuk and 815. Okay, hyuk is beasting it right now, but its still hyuk. Calm lost to Roro in the ACE match who after that was beaten by savior's ZvZ . Those this meen Calm is bad at ZvZ and should be lower on the rank ? i don't think so .... Calm only lost once and jaedong lost to hyuk and 815, and 815 hasn't done shit yet. On a good day i think even i can take a good # of games of JD if I 9 pool speed and he 12 hat on a 2 players map . It's a risky build like 14 cc , but a lot more common in ZvZ . In ZvZ there is always a build that counters the other to a certain degree , but 9 pool speed against 12 hat is considered a BO loss it's got nothing to do with how good your opponent is and how bad you are .
I say you can't take any games from jaedong. People used to 9-pool him all the time when he went 12-hat and jaedong still won those games. But nowadays, jaedong lost his dominance in zvz and other zergs are on the rise. And calm lost to roro, so? Roro was pretty beast this month. Same goes for hyuk. So calm's loss to roro cancels out jaedong's lost to hyuk. But then jaedong lost to a 815. That is huge. I say this is complete bull that jaedong is in #2 because if stork had a 3-3 record in one month and khan is failing, hell he won't even make top ten.
And jaedong's new tlpd makes him look olllld.
On November 02 2009 07:09 Mykill wrote:
wow terran are sucking.
Flash/Fantasy the only terrans.
none considered in CBNC
Protoss is failing too. Kal being in #10 spot is really debatable. I would rather put roro here who helped wemade win most of their games.
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Yeah, the Terran race is having some trouble right now, which is pretty rare. I'm sure it's also related to the Zerg dominance.
It's traditionally been a balance of Z > P > T > Z soft-counters, but right now it kind of looks more like
Z = T
P > T
Z > P
at the highest levels of the game. Terran have to deal with the new super-Zergs while also still being soft-countered by Protoss.
I say this because Flash and Fantasy have both looked a lot more vulnerable than usual against Protoss lately (and no other T is worth mentioning right now).
But hey, Flash says he's working on a revolutionary new TvP build/strategy. If he really does come out with something like that, there will be endless Protoss tears as both Zerg and Terran soft-counter them.
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good job with the PR, last month had to be hard to rank with all the upsets & new rising players coming along.
quite ballsy to put JD @ #2, it will make you look good though when he destroys everyone once again this month!
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On November 02 2009 06:26 Shauni wrote:
I usually do not disagree with powerranks but this month was a bit strange. I'd replace Kal with Zero, it seems like you even forgot to put him in close but no cigar which was very strange. Zero has been pretty impressive last month.
JD should switch with Stork.
Ruby should switch with Luxury for close but no cigar.
Speaking as a huge Stork fan, I have no idea how on earth he can be above Calm.
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On November 02 2009 07:41 Elyvilon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 06:26 Shauni wrote:
I usually do not disagree with powerranks but this month was a bit strange. I'd replace Kal with Zero, it seems like you even forgot to put him in close but no cigar which was very strange. Zero has been pretty impressive last month.
JD should switch with Stork.
Ruby should switch with Luxury for close but no cigar. Speaking as a huge Stork fan, I have no idea how on earth he can be above Calm.
As a huge stork fan myself, Stork hasn't done anything big that will put him over calm, so stork under calm is good for now only.
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On November 02 2009 07:29 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeah, the Terran race is having some trouble right now, which is pretty rare. I'm sure it's also related to the Zerg dominance.
It's traditionally been a balance of Z > P > T > Z soft-counters, but right now it kind of looks more like
Z = T
P > T
Z > P
at the highest levels of the game. Terran have to deal with the new super-Zergs while also still being soft-countered by Protoss.
I say this because Flash and Fantasy have both looked a lot more vulnerable than usual against Protoss lately (and no other T is worth mentioning right now).
But hey, Flash says he's working on a revolutionary new TvP build/strategy. If he really does come out with something like that, there will be endless Protoss tears as both Zerg and Terran soft-counter them.
It's actually P=T based on recent games too.
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THE BIRD TOSS LEADS AUIR AGAIN!
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On November 02 2009 07:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 07:29 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeah, the Terran race is having some trouble right now, which is pretty rare. I'm sure it's also related to the Zerg dominance.
It's traditionally been a balance of Z > P > T > Z soft-counters, but right now it kind of looks more like
Z = T
P > T
Z > P
at the highest levels of the game. Terran have to deal with the new super-Zergs while also still being soft-countered by Protoss.
I say this because Flash and Fantasy have both looked a lot more vulnerable than usual against Protoss lately (and no other T is worth mentioning right now).
But hey, Flash says he's working on a revolutionary new TvP build/strategy. If he really does come out with something like that, there will be endless Protoss tears as both Zerg and Terran soft-counter them. It's actually P=T based on recent games too.
On A-class level, yeah, but I was thinking more in terms of S-class level. Fantasy got used as a mop by Stork, Stats, and Shuttle recently, and Flash almost lost a game against a Protoss as low-level as DaezanG. I think Bisu and Stork are the favorites against any Terran player in a Bo5 right now easily.
If Flash or Fantasy can pull a convincing win against Stork or Bisu then I'll take that back, but right now I really can't see them having a decent chance in a series like that.
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On November 02 2009 08:18 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 07:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 02 2009 07:29 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeah, the Terran race is having some trouble right now, which is pretty rare. I'm sure it's also related to the Zerg dominance.
It's traditionally been a balance of Z > P > T > Z soft-counters, but right now it kind of looks more like
Z = T
P > T
Z > P
at the highest levels of the game. Terran have to deal with the new super-Zergs while also still being soft-countered by Protoss.
I say this because Flash and Fantasy have both looked a lot more vulnerable than usual against Protoss lately (and no other T is worth mentioning right now).
But hey, Flash says he's working on a revolutionary new TvP build/strategy. If he really does come out with something like that, there will be endless Protoss tears as both Zerg and Terran soft-counter them. It's actually P=T based on recent games too. On A-class level, yeah, but I was thinking more in terms of S-class level. Fantasy got used as a mop by Stork, Stats, and Shuttle recently, and Flash almost lost a game against a Protoss as low-level as DaezanG. I think Bisu and Stork are the favorites against any Terran player in a Bo5 right now easily. If Flash or Fantasy can pull a convincing win against Stork or Bisu then I'll take that back, but right now I really can't see them having a decent chance in a series like that.
Flash hasnt lost a TvP against a non-dragon for ages. What are you talking about? o.O
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On November 02 2009 08:20 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 08:18 Hinanawi wrote:On November 02 2009 07:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 02 2009 07:29 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeah, the Terran race is having some trouble right now, which is pretty rare. I'm sure it's also related to the Zerg dominance.
It's traditionally been a balance of Z > P > T > Z soft-counters, but right now it kind of looks more like
Z = T
P > T
Z > P
at the highest levels of the game. Terran have to deal with the new super-Zergs while also still being soft-countered by Protoss.
I say this because Flash and Fantasy have both looked a lot more vulnerable than usual against Protoss lately (and no other T is worth mentioning right now).
But hey, Flash says he's working on a revolutionary new TvP build/strategy. If he really does come out with something like that, there will be endless Protoss tears as both Zerg and Terran soft-counter them. It's actually P=T based on recent games too. On A-class level, yeah, but I was thinking more in terms of S-class level. Fantasy got used as a mop by Stork, Stats, and Shuttle recently, and Flash almost lost a game against a Protoss as low-level as DaezanG. I think Bisu and Stork are the favorites against any Terran player in a Bo5 right now easily. If Flash or Fantasy can pull a convincing win against Stork or Bisu then I'll take that back, but right now I really can't see them having a decent chance in a series like that. Flash hasnt lost a TvP against a non-dragon for ages. What are you talking about? o.O
True, but Flash has also barely played any TvP in ages. In the past two months he's played...two. He just looked weak against DaezanG, which worries me. I'd be happy to see him prove he's still the TvP master, don't get me wrong.
It just feels like, whereas Flash looks completely invincible against non-S class Zergs and Terrans, it feels like he could get sniped by non-S class Protosses.
We'll see later this month. Or maybe not, since everyone is probably going to be fighting Zerg players again since they make up more than half of the OSL and MSL. Honestly I'd prefer not to have any TvPs in the early stages of OSL/MSL, T and P need to work together to bring down Zergs.
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On November 02 2009 06:51 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 06:26 Shauni wrote:
I usually do not disagree with powerranks but this month was a bit strange. I'd replace Kal with Zero, it seems like you even forgot to put him in close but no cigar which was very strange. Zero has been pretty impressive last month.
JD should switch with Stork.
Ruby should switch with Luxury for close but no cigar. Zero beat no one good except Light and Jaedong (where he lost to him where it mattered most, ace match)
Who did Kal beat? His list of wins this month is go.go, Crazy-Hydra, Reach, Baby, and Savior. Not the most impressive of opponents. And Zero is in both leagues, Kal isn't.
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On November 02 2009 08:42 Jaksiel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 06:51 SuperArc wrote:On November 02 2009 06:26 Shauni wrote:
I usually do not disagree with powerranks but this month was a bit strange. I'd replace Kal with Zero, it seems like you even forgot to put him in close but no cigar which was very strange. Zero has been pretty impressive last month.
JD should switch with Stork.
Ruby should switch with Luxury for close but no cigar. Zero beat no one good except Light and Jaedong (where he lost to him where it mattered most, ace match) Who did Kal beat? His list of wins this month is go.go, Crazy-Hydra, Reach, Baby, and Savior. Not the most impressive of opponents. And Zero is in both leagues, Kal isn't.
That's why Movie deserves 10. :p
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On November 02 2009 08:46 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 08:42 Jaksiel wrote:On November 02 2009 06:51 SuperArc wrote:On November 02 2009 06:26 Shauni wrote:
I usually do not disagree with powerranks but this month was a bit strange. I'd replace Kal with Zero, it seems like you even forgot to put him in close but no cigar which was very strange. Zero has been pretty impressive last month.
JD should switch with Stork.
Ruby should switch with Luxury for close but no cigar. Zero beat no one good except Light and Jaedong (where he lost to him where it mattered most, ace match) Who did Kal beat? His list of wins this month is go.go, Crazy-Hydra, Reach, Baby, and Savior. Not the most impressive of opponents. And Zero is in both leagues, Kal isn't. That's why Movie deserves 10. :p
I still say roro, movie has the same pl record as fbh rofl.
On November 02 2009 08:18 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2009 07:54 Avidkeystamper wrote:On November 02 2009 07:29 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeah, the Terran race is having some trouble right now, which is pretty rare. I'm sure it's also related to the Zerg dominance.
It's traditionally been a balance of Z > P > T > Z soft-counters, but right now it kind of looks more like
Z = T
P > T
Z > P
at the highest levels of the game. Terran have to deal with the new super-Zergs while also still being soft-countered by Protoss.
I say this because Flash and Fantasy have both looked a lot more vulnerable than usual against Protoss lately (and no other T is worth mentioning right now).
But hey, Flash says he's working on a revolutionary new TvP build/strategy. If he really does come out with something like that, there will be endless Protoss tears as both Zerg and Terran soft-counter them. It's actually P=T based on recent games too. On A-class level, yeah, but I was thinking more in terms of S-class level. Fantasy got used as a mop by Stork, Stats, and Shuttle recently, and Flash almost lost a game against a Protoss as low-level as DaezanG. I think Bisu and Stork are the favorites against any Terran player in a Bo5 right now easily. If Flash or Fantasy can pull a convincing win against Stork or Bisu then I'll take that back, but right now I really can't see them having a decent chance in a series like that.
Fuck flash, why don't you look at other pvt, its been pretty equal. I say p=t
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Kal has been looking pretty unstable lately and none of the wins I saw of his were impressive. Maybe I'm affected by the buttrape he got from Really.
Roro? are you kidding? He's relatively promising but he lost a lot of games and in some of the games he was so far ahead and messed up everything.
Pusan did well last month but messed up MST and I'm quite sure his little 'streak' won't last for long.
Movie? Yeah maybe, he was looking pretty strong this month and qualified for both leagues didn't he?
Luxury played a few good games in PL but showed a lot of weaknesses in the individual leagues, especially with his ZvP.
So yeah, to me it'd be most logical with Movie or Zero for 10th place. But I'm just nitpicking.
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no pusan no movie  movie-hero-light group of the osl was the GROUP OF DEATH PEOPLE. and he owned it up!
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ever since flash's pic was changed to the new one with the new KT uniform, he's been owning it up.
And I think it was around the same time that Jaedon's pic was changed, and he started noobing it up.
hmm.. perhaps it is all TL's doing...
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