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UGC4
Peru532 Posts
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Emlary
China3334 Posts
On July 14 2009 12:55 riptide wrote: Kim Taek Yong, another contender for top gun that we looked at last week, falls just a game behind his OZ and KT counterparts to finish with 53 wins and a measly 14 losses when compared to Flash's 19 and Jaedong's 21. While certainly entitled to feeling robbed, and no doubt a little peeved at Boxer and Mong for not allowing him that last game vs Violet, Bisu has other things on his mind. T_T I'm so pissed at this. But after hearing BoxeR's apology in the post-match interview (yeah, Boxer can get an interview even if he lost the game), I find some relief. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 14 2009 14:45 tree.hugger wrote: Huh? Shouldn't depth... increase it's returns... deeper... into the line-up...? ... ... ... I'd say there are diminishing returns to having more and more good players on your lineup. Of course, this doesn't mean it's not a good idea to have lots of good players- just that, assuming equal skill level, each additional good player adds less to your lineup than the last after a certain point. For a Bo7, you need 4 wins as a team- for a team with all its eggs in one basket like Oz, if JD can pick up 2 wins, then you only need two more wins between the other 5 players. Having a second and third great players who can win is very helpful; having a fourth adds more room for error; adding a fifth and sixth can start looking a little overkill (imagine a JD - Bisu - Flash - Leta - Effort - Fantasy lineup)- the goal is not to win 7-0 or 6-1, but rather, to win 4 games. If you're going to win 4-0 with an all-star lineup, then your fifth and sixth players won't even get to play, and are thus less crucial than the first four players. Heck, you could even make do with 3 players who win all their games (one of them making a repeat performance in the ace). That said, yeah, depth is still a good thing to have in a Bo7- despite those diminishing returns. Realistically, there isn't any team that can expect to win 4-0 in the playoffs, and being able to contest each and every game will be a big help. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
On July 14 2009 14:19 Zato-1 wrote: + Show Spoiler + Schedule STX SouL vs Samsung KHAN Game 1 on OnGameNet (7/18) Set 1: Heartbreak Ridge Set 2: Neo Medusa Set 3: Shades of Twilight Set 4: Neo Harmony Set 5: Outsider Set 6: Destination Closer: Andromeda Game 2 on MBCgame (7/19) Set 1: Outsider Set 2: Neo Harmony Set 3: Destination Set 4: Andromeda Set 5: Neo Medusa Set 6: Heartbreak Ridge Closer: Shades of Twilight Ace Match: Colosseum 2 Anyone know what's up with this two-day schedule? Looks like two Bo7 matches like that, same for Hite vs. CJ. Im also curious about this. Is this really a bo15, but the players just cant be repeated until the next day. And can some1 potentially play a regular set, closer, and ace match on day??? | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On July 14 2009 15:19 Nick_54 wrote: Im also curious about this. Is this really a bo15, but the players just cant be repeated until the next day. And can some1 potentially play a regular set, closer, and ace match on day??? Avidkeystamper kindly linked me this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=97569 | ||
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ShoGunBo
Romania55 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On July 14 2009 13:42 p4NDemik wrote: All of the sudden CJ is the team with no depth relying on one Ace player? I know they've had their struggles, but to say EffOrt is their one saving grace is a little much, no? You're right it's crazy to say that. CJ has an incredibly strong lineup, particularly at the moment. On July 14 2009 14:45 tree.hugger wrote: This format favors STX, and CJ, especially depending on the match-ups. I see four CJ players who I would consider solid or excellent players, and three who are certainly strong but much weaker. This is not quite as impressive as STX however, as they boast five strong players, and three others whom they can also expect to fair adequately . Only STX's lack of a true ace, keeps them from being the runaway favorites for this championship. I wouldn't agree that STX have better depth. If you rank the top7 players of each in terms of elo you get: CJ (Z)  EffOrt 2272 ptsSTX (Z) Calm 2218 ptsSTX (P)  Kal 2189 pts CJ (T)  Iris 2172 pts CJ (T) sKyHigh 2171 pts CJ (Z) Kwanro 2165 pts STX (Z) July 2154 pts STX (Z) hero 2120 pts STX (T) Hwasin 2117 pts CJ (P) Much 2099 pts STX (P) YoonJoong 2093 pts CJ (P) Movie 2073 pts CJ (Z) sAviOr 2071 pts STX(T) Bogus 2068 pts It's close but I believe CJ has the edge. Just for fun I'll add Oz to that list: + Show Spoiler + OZ (Z) Jaedong 2280 pts CJ (Z) EffOrt 2272 ptsSTX (Z) Calm 2218 ptsSTX (P) Kal 2189 pts CJ (T) Iris 2172 pts CJ (T) sKyHigh 2171 pts CJ (Z) Kwanro 2165 pts STX (Z) July 2154 pts STX (Z) hero 2120 pts STX (T) Hwasin 2117 pts CJ (P) Much 2099 pts STX (P) YoonJoong 2093 pts CJ (P) Movie 2073 pts CJ (Z) sAviOr 2071 pts OZ (P) BackHo 2071 pts STX(T) Bogus 2068 pts | ||
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FirstBorn
Romania3955 Posts
We should have some really nice games and the bo7 format is full of win. Go SKT1!!! | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21245 Posts
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5594/itsallpartoftheplan.jpg) It's all part of the plan seeeeeeeee | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
Just wait to see Jangbi/Fbh/Stork/great training and playing for rela =D | ||
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Refrige
United States179 Posts
comeback starts now  | ||
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spydernoob
Canada1066 Posts
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deL
Australia5540 Posts
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mucker
United States1120 Posts
number of players / average rank / average elo SKT - 4 / 10.25 / 2203 OZ - 2 / 21 / 2175 CJ - 6 / 17 / 2159 hite - 5 / 19.8 / 2139 STX - 6 / 17.67 / 2149 KHAN - 4 / 26.75 / 2104 | ||
SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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barbahaba0
Israel226 Posts
are there 2 games each time? i mean its a bo7 why are there 2 dates for each match ?? is it bo7 bo2? | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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ReCharge
Philippines505 Posts
Bisu > anyone, except maybe >= JaedongBest > T/P player, his T has improved A LOT, and he's not slumping like he did at the End of Last year. He sure is doing well to deserve his name.fantasy > P player, come on, it's fantasy, he 3-0 Bisu. What do you expect when he faces a P player? To lose? Yah right.Canata > T player, Canata, has been doing very well as well lately. you just can't expect him to lose.Thezerg > Cheesing player, remember when he faced XellOs? Yah, he defended and played so well, if his opponent cheeses, he already wins.Hyuk > P player, Hyuk's ZvP is good, and there aren't any good protosses ready enough to face him.BoxeR > everyone. It's BoxeR DUH! He's got the name "The Emperor" for a reason. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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