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Shinhan Proleague 2008/2009 Coverage by Riptide and Heyoka

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

- T.S Eliot, The Hollow Men


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After one year of grueling all-week gaming, and hours, weeks, days and months of preparation, planning and execution, the Shinhan Proleague 2008-2009 is finally drawing to a close. Twelve teams in all, six falling by the side and six moving on to glory or defeat. SK Telecom T1, a team that developed steadily throughout the season to perform brilliantly in Rounds 4 and 5, move on to finally oust Hwaseung OZ from #1, a spot that would have secured them a Grand Finals seed. If anything, this must be disappointing for Lee Jaedong, a man we called the harbinger of death in last week's update. The workhorse of the team, Jaedong kept up a steady performance for Oz while performing in both individual leagues and GOM. Despite tying with the Flash for #1 in the individual rankings, however, the Zerg destroyer was unable to lead OZ to a Grand Finals seed, a fact that will surely come into play as he balances his OSL/MSL/GOM related practice with the preparation his team has to put in to get through the Semi-finals and come face to face with SKT T1. As they wait for #3 through #6 to fight it out and approach them however, Oz cant help but feel nervous. Sending Jaedong as a veritable bulldozer in front of them, they managed to edge out STX and secure a Semi-final seed. In a bo7 setting however, OZ's chances are only going to decrease further, and while Lomo, Hiya and Backho did manage to provide some support to our Zerg hero in the round robins, the team is going to definitely have problems finding the extra players that they will now need.

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Despite securing a Grand Final seed, SKT's title bid now centers around three young titans and their ability to mould a fighting unit around themselves.

Kim Taek Yong, another contender for top gun that we looked at last week, falls just a game behind his OZ and KT counterparts to finish with 53 wins and a measly 14 losses when compared to Flash's 19 and Jaedong's 21. While certainly entitled to feeling robbed, and no doubt a little peeved at Boxer and Mong for not allowing him that last game vs Violet, Bisu has other things on his mind. With the playoffs being played out in a bo7 format, the Protoss undoubtedly knows that his team needs to focus on winning four games, and having a wildcard or two to boot. As far as Bisu/Fantasy/Best go, SKT does have as solid answer for the opening sets. It is after this, however, that the team's lineup begins to look poor. While Canata is certainly a viable fourth player, could Boxer come out of hibernation for the Grand Final as well? Although clearly not at the top of his game, it's certainly possible that The Emperor will snipe a big name with a well prepared and perfectly executed build. This, of course, leaves the SKT Zerg department, a branch of the team that is notorious for doing badly. Will Thezerg and s2 leave failville and manage to pull through for a team that well and truly deserves a win this time around? Only time will tell.

STX, STX, STX, the darkhorse of the round, and indeed, perhaps the entire season. For a team that was even unsure of a playoff spot at the beginning of Round 5, the Kal/Hwasin/July/By.hero/Shuttle/Calm ensemble has done remarkably well. Though featuring no titans or currently peaking stars like Bisu or Jaedong, STX was, and is a force to be contended with, particularly as they go into a playoff stage that favours a deep lineup as opposed to one that revolves around one or two great performers. In their first playoff game, they will face Samsung KHAN, the defending champions, and ordinarily, this would worry an outfit.

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STX, who went from zero to hero this round, look poised to take their playoff opener with ease.

Those who have followed this season will note, however, that the KHAN that makes these playoffs is not the same team that won the 2008 Shinhan Bank Proleague. Although sporting big name players like Stork, Jangbi, Firebathero and great, KHAN has performed abysmally this season when compared with their run last time around, and barely managed to hold on to a #6 spot by edging out KT, who fell behind by a single game, and two penalty points generously donated by KeSPA. They will face a solid STX, and most likely get destroyed in style. I'm sorry KHAN fans, but there isn't a lot going for your team at the moment.

Leta, type-b, go.go and Yarnc are the backbone of Hite, even if the latter hasn't been pulling his weight lately. Of course, a bo7 will also most likely see them down, although their first playoff encounter with CJ will perhaps have them at a slight advantage, especially seeing their recent performance. Though Effort/Kwanro/Skyhigh/Iris/Savior are all really big names, like KHAN, they have not been living up to their reputations. Effort, despite an early OSL exit, is their saving grace, but as we've mentioned time and time again in this piece, a bo7 does not favour a team that relies on a single powerhorse. While it is very well possible that an erratic Skyhigh and Kwanro could pull themselves together in time for the playoffs, one has to realise that they will probably have a hard time against Hite who are playing type-b and go.go, both of who advanced to the OSL Ro8 last week.

Final Rankings

Teams
1st SK Telecom T1 35W 20L +/- +36 (Overall Set Score 145W 109L)
2nd Hwaseung OZ 35W 20L +/- +31 (Overall Set Score 134W 103L)
3rd STX SouL 33W 22L +/- +34 (Overall Set Score 143W 109L)
4th Hite SPARKYZ 33W 22L +/- +22 (Overall Set Score 141W 119L)
5th CJ Entus 31W 24L +/- +22 (Overall Set Score 130W 108L)
6th Samsung KHAN 30W 25L +/- +3 (Overall Set Score 129W 126L)
7th KT MagicNs 29W 26L +/- +1 (Overall Set Score 126W 123L, Penalty 2 Points)
8th Woongjin Stars 27W 28L +/- -9 (Overall Set Score 117W 126L)
9th MBCGame HERO 26W 29W +/- -12 (Overall Set Score 118W 130L)
10th eSTRO 21W 34L +/- -17 (Overall Set Score 120W 137L)
11th WeMade FOX 21W 34L +/- -36 (Overall Set Score 105W 140L, Penalty 1 Point)
12th Air Force ACE 9W 46L +/- -79 (Overall Set Score 80W 158L, Penalty 1 Point)
Deduction in points are due to KeSPA imposed penalties

Players
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1st (T)Flash KT MagicNs 54W 19L 74%
1st (Z)Jaedong Hwaseung OZ 54W 21L 72%
3rd (P)Bisu SK Telecom T1 53W 14L 79.1%
4th (T)Leta Hite SPARKYZ 49W 21L 70%
5th (Z)Calm STX SouL 40W 21L 65.6%
6th (T)Light MBCGame HERO 36W 17L 67.9%
7th (P)free Woongjin Stars 35W 25L 58.3%
8th (P)Kal STX SouL 34W 23L 59.6%
9th (Z)EffOrt CJ Entus 33W 17L 66%
9th (T)Really eSTRO 33W 32L 50.8%
9th (Z)hyvaa eSTRO 33W 33L 50%
12th (P)BeSt SK Telecom T1 32W 20L 61.5%
12th (Z)YellOw[ArnC] Hite SPARKYZ 32W 22L 59.3%
12th (T)HiyA Hwaseung OZ 32W 24L 57.1%
15th (P)JangBi Samsung KHAN 30W 21L 58.8%
15th (Z)ZerO Woongjin Stars 30W 31L 49.2%
15th (P)Stork Samsung KHAN 30W 22L 57.7%
18th (T)fantasy SK Telecom T1 29W 21L 58%
19th (T)Mind WeMade FOX 28W 25L 52.8%
20th (Z)great Samsung KHAN 27W 17L 61.4%
20th (T)Sea MBCGame HERO 27W 22L 55.1%
22nd (T)firebathero Samsung KHAN 26W 22L 54.2%
22nd (P)SangHo eSTRO 26W 24L 52%
24th (Z)Luxury KT MagicNs 24W 28L 46.2%
25th (Z)RorO WeMade FOX 23W 25L 47.9%
26th (T)UpMaGiC eSTRO 22W 17L 56.4%
27th (P)Anytime Air Force ACE 21W 31L 40.4%
28th (T)Iris CJ Entus 20W 15L 57.1%
29th (T)sKyHigh CJ Entus 18W 13L 58.1%
29th (P)GuemChi Woongjin Stars 18W 20L 47.4%
29th (T)Hwasin STX SouL 18W 22L 45%
32nd (Z)July STX SouL 17W 8L 68%
32nd (Z)keke WeMade FOX 17W 16L 51.5%
32nd (Z)OversKy Air Force ACE 17W 19L 47.2%
35th (P)Jaehoon MBCGame HERO 16W 25L 39%
36th (P)Much CJ Entus 15W 13L 53.6%
36th (Z)sAviOr CJ Entus 15W 13L 53.6%
36th (T)Lomo Hwaseung OZ 15W 18L 45.5%
39th (T)fOrGG KT MagicNs 14W 14L 50%
40th (P)Violet KT MagicNs 13W 7L 65%
40th (T)PianO Woongjin Stars 13W 14L 48.1%
40th (T)go.go Hite SPARKYZ 13W 14L 48.1%
40th (P)BackHo Hwaseung OZ 13W 16L 44.8%
44th (P)Horang2 Hite SPARKYZ 12W 7L 63.2%
44th (Z)Kwanro CJ Entus 12W 10L 54.5%
44th (Z)Saint MBCGame HERO 12W 13L 48%
44th (Z)Shine[kaL] WeMade FOX 12W 15L 44.4%
44th (Z)HoGiL Hite SPARKYZ 12W 15L 44.4%
44th (P)Reach Air Force ACE 12W 21L 36.4%
50th (P)Movie CJ Entus 11W 13L 45.8%
50th (P)Pusan MBCGame HERO 11W 13L 45.8%
50th (P)Pure WeMade FOX 11W 20L 35.5%
53rd (Z)815 KT MagicNs 10W 7L 58.8%
53rd (Z)GGPlay Woongjin Stars 10W 11L 47.6%
53rd (T)Notice STX SouL 10W 11L 47.6%
53rd (Z)Thezerg SK Telecom T1 10W 12L 45.5%
53rd (Z)HyuN MBCGame HERO 10W 16L 38.5%
58th (T)Casy Air Force ACE 9W 21L 30%
59th (Z)type-b Hite SPARKYZ 8W 9L 47.1%
59th (T)NaDa WeMade FOX 8W 12L 40%
61st (T)Canata SK Telecom T1 7W 8L 46.7%
61st (Z)GoRush Air Force ACE 7W 9L 43.8%
61st (Z)hero STX SouL 6W 6L 50%
61st (Z)Modesty STX SouL 6W 6L 50%
61st (P)Young Hwaseung OZ 6W 9L 40%
61st (Z)FireFist KT MagicNs 6W 9L 40%
61st (Z)Hyuk SK Telecom T1 6W 12L 33.3%
68th (T)Justin Hite SPARKYZ 5W 4L 55.6%
68th (T)BaBy WeMade FOX 5W 10L 33.3%
68th (P)Tempest KT MagicNs 5W 11L 31.3%
68th (Z)HoeJJa KT MagicNs 5W 12L 29.4%
68th (T)MVP Woongjin Stars 5W 15L 25%
73rd (T)iloveoov SK Telecom T1 4W 3L 57.1%
73rd (T)Bogus STX SouL 4W 3L 57.1%
73rd (Z)Juni Samsung KHAN 4W 7L 36.4%
73rd (T)SaiR KT MagicNs 4W 8L 33.3%
73rd (Z)oDin Samsung KHAN 4W 10L 28.6%
78th (T)Last STX SouL 3W 2L 60%
78th (Z)Child Woongjin Stars 3W 3L 50%
78th (T)Shine KT MagicNs 3W 4L 42.9%
78th (P)yoOn Samsung KHAN 3W 4L 42.9%
78th (P)YoonJoong STX SouL 3W 4L 42.9%
78th (T)GanZi Woongjin Stars 3W 5L 37.5%
78th (Z)Shark MBCGame HERO 3W 6L 33.3%
78th (Z)s2 SK Telecom T1 3W 8L 27.3%
78th (P)Tester eSTRO 3W 8L 27.3%
78th (P)DaezanG Air Force ACE 3W 12L 20%
88th (Z)Ace MBCGame HERO 2W100%
88th (Z)Killer Hwaseung OZ 2W 1L 66.7%
88th (P)Nbs CJ Entus 2W 2L 50%
88th (P)SoO STX SouL 2W 2L 50%
88th (P)TT Samsung KHAN 2W 2L 50%
88th (P)Spear Hwaseung OZ 2W 3L 40%
88th (T)Memory CJ Entus 2W 4L 33.3%
88th (T)XellOs Air Force ACE 2W 5L 28.6%
88th (P)Rage CJ Entus 2W 5L 28.6%
88th (Z)YellOw Air Force ACE 2W 7L 22.2%
88th (T)BoxeR SK Telecom T1 2W 7L 22.2%
88th (T)Miracle Samsung KHAN 2W 7L 22.2%
88th (P)Chalrenge Hite SPARKYZ 2W 8L 20%
88th (Z)MuMyung SK Telecom T1 2W 10L 16.7%
102nd (P)GosI[Flying] eSTRO 1W100%
102nd (T)Dongrae Hwaseung OZ 1W 1L 50%
102nd (Z)Chavi Samsung KHAN 1W 1L 50%
102nd (P)MuJuK SK Telecom T1 1W 1L 50%
102nd (T)DarkElf Air Force ACE 1W 1L 50%
102nd (Z)Orion CJ Entus 1W 1L 50%
102nd (P)IrOn MBCGame HERO 1W 2L 33.3%
102nd (Z)Clay Hite SPARKYZ 1W 2L 33.3%
102nd (P)fOru CJ Entus 1W 3L 25%
102nd (Z)maGma eSTRO 1W 4L 20%
102nd (P)HakSoo Hite SPARKYZ 1W 4L 20%
102nd (P)Stats KT MagicNs 1W 4L 20%
102nd (Z)ggaemo Hwaseung OZ 1W 4L 20%
102nd (P)HerO_V_ WeMade FOX 1W 5L 16.7%
102nd (P)Tazza Hite SPARKYZ 1W 5L 16.7%
102nd (T)PuMa eSTRO 1W 7L 12.5%
118th (T)Mong SK Telecom T1 1L 0%
118th (Z)Crazy-Hydra Woongjin Stars 1L 0%
118th (Z)ZergBong KT MagicNs 1L 0%
118th (Z)JiHyun Samsung KHAN 1L 0%
118th (Z)n.Die_soO SK Telecom T1 1L 0%
118th (Z)Hydra CJ Entus 1L 0%
118th (T)ToSsGirL STX SouL 1L 0%
118th (P)Index Woongjin Stars 1L 0%
118th (Z)Melon eSTRO 1L 0%
118th (Z)herO[jOin] WeMade FOX 1L 0%
118th (T)pepe WeMade FOX 1L 0%
118th (Z)Devil CJ Entus 1L 0%
118th (T)Classic eSTRO 1L 0%
118th (P)Doctor.K SK Telecom T1 1L 0%
118th (P)Snow CJ Entus 2L 0%
118th (T)Special Woongjin Stars 2L 0%
118th (Z)Rumble SK Telecom T1 2L 0%
118th (P)HoOny WeMade FOX 2L 0%
118th (P)han MBCGame HERO 2L 0%
118th (T)kkong MBCGame HERO 2L 0%
118th (P)LuCifer KT MagicNs 3L 0%
118th (T)Suny eSTRO 3L 0%
118th (P)herb Hite SPARKYZ 4L 0%
118th (T)ClouD Air Force ACE 4L 0%
118th (T)Midas SK Telecom T1 4L 0%
118th (Z)Peace MBCGame HERO 4L 0%
118th (T)Hery STX SouL 4L 0%
118th (Z)Action eSTRO 4L 0%
118th (Z)Haran eSTRO 5L 0%
118th (T)RuBy Air Force ACE 6L 0%
118th (T)Sunny Air Force ACE 7L 0%
118th (P)Rock WeMade FOX 8L 0%
118th (T)FrOzean Samsung KHAN 12L 0%

Source: GTR's Final Rankings Thread.

Playing it Off
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This is the way the world ends.

So on Saturday the 18th of July, we enter what will be the last round of games for this season of proleague. Hite vs CJ, STX vs KHAN, the winners of which who will face each other, and then Oz. Our predictions for the STX vs KHAN encounter are pretty clear - July's boys are going to make short work of a flailing KHAN. Hite vs CJ of course is less easy to call, but despite CJ's 'deeper by name' lineup, we have to give Leta's merry men at least a slight edge given their recent performance.

If you've missed a lot of PL this season, and were wondering when to begin watching, well, now is certainly the time. These next few weeks are going to bring viewers the very best that professional Starcraft has to offer, and missing any of these great games would certainly be a disservice you do to yourself.

Something to note is that some maps from earlier rounds will be used in the playoffs, making the games a little less monotonous, and the preparation a little more difficult. One things for sure though - practice rooms are going to be bustling this week as plays are created, builds are rehearsed, and champions are forged. Who will fall? Who will prevail? The answers await, at the end of the line.

Schedule
STX SouL vs Samsung KHAN
Game 1 on OnGameNet (7/18)
Set 1: Heartbreak Ridge
Set 2: Neo Medusa
Set 3: Shades of Twilight
Set 4: Neo Harmony
Set 5: Outsider
Set 6: Destination
Closer: Andromeda

Game 2 on MBCgame (7/19)
Set 1: Outsider
Set 2: Neo Harmony
Set 3: Destination
Set 4: Andromeda
Set 5: Neo Medusa
Set 6: Heartbreak Ridge
Closer: Shades of Twilight
Ace Match: Colosseum 2

STX thumbs down: Colosseum 2 for both Game 1 and 2, Shades of Twilight for Ace Match.
Samsung KHAN thumbs down: God's Garden for Game 1, 2 and Ace Match.


Hite SPARKYZ vs CJ Entus

Game 1 on MBCgame (7/18)
Set 1: Neo Harmony
Set 2: Destination
Set 3: Heartbreak Ridge
Set 4: Andromeda
Set 5: Shades of Twilight
Set 6: Neo Medusa
Closer: Colosseum 2

Game 2 on OnGameNet (7/19)
Set 1: Neo Medusa
Set 2: Colosseum 2
Set 3: Neo Harmony
Set 4: Shades of Twilight
Set 5: Destination
Set 6: Heartbreak Ridge
Closer: Andromeda
Ace Match: Heartbreak Ridge

Hite thumbs down: Outsider for both Game 1 and 2, God's Garden for Ace Match.
CJ thumbs down: God's Garden for both Game 1 and 2, Shades of Twilight for Ace Match.


Team rosters
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Protoss
(P)Stork
(P)yoOn
(P)JangBi

Terran
(T)FrOzean
(T)Miracle
(T)firebathero

Zerg
(Z)oDin
(Z)Juni
(Z)JiHyun
(Z)Chavi
(Z)Rarity
(Z)great


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Protoss
(P)fOru
(P)Much
(P)Nbs
(P)Snow
(P)Movie

Terran
(T)sKyHigh
(T)Iris

Zerg
(Z)Orion
(Z)EffOrt
(Z)sAviOr
(Z)Hydra
(Z)Kwanro


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Protoss
(P)Britney
(P)HakSoo
(P)Horang2
(P)Tazza
(P)herb

Terran
(T)go.go
(T)Leta

Zerg
(Z)HoGiL
(Z)type-b
(Z)YellOw[ArnC]
(Z)Clay


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Protoss
(P)SoO
(P)Kal
(P)Shuttle

Terran
(T)Notice
(T)Last
(T)Bogus
(T)Hwasin

Zerg
(Z)Calm
(Z)Modesty
(Z)July
(Z)hero




Thanks to Pachi for the infographic, GTR for the stats, schedules and rosters, Plexa for various insights and Fomos for the pictures.
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iPF[Div]
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain572 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 04:11:46
July 14 2009 04:09 GMT
#2
STX or CJ will take this, SKT and OZ don't have the depth to win a bo7 imo

edit: nice writeup btw ^_^
Since ma jae yoon and jin young soo stabbed me in the fucking back, i've got no one to rep here.
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
July 14 2009 04:12 GMT
#3
On July 14 2009 13:09 iPF[Div] wrote:
STX or CJ will take this, SKT and OZ don't have the depth to win a bo7 imo

edit: nice writeup btw ^_^


im pretty sure skt does
but lecaf imo is just all jaedong
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 14 2009 04:13 GMT
#4
This post is simply amazing. I was so confused by the brackets...

THANK YOU
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spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
July 14 2009 04:17 GMT
#5
what pentalty points did kepsa award and why
wraiths go pew pew
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 04:21:27
July 14 2009 04:18 GMT
#6
SKT1 is going to take this.
All you need is 2 wins and a star. Bisu is the star that can win both his scheduled match and that crucial ace match.

edit: Oh man I forgot about Canata's recent performance. No way T1 is going to lose this with a 4th decent player.
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 04:20:01
July 14 2009 04:19 GMT
#7
Erm, Canata is way better than BeSt, and Hwaseung is worse off in a Bo7 but it's still plausible because not all teams are like CJ or STX and most only have one more good player and/or one more mediocre player than Oz.
JD and Flash has similar stats but the gap is huge so it's not like they're an auto-loss.
Arf
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
July 14 2009 04:19 GMT
#8
On July 14 2009 13:09 iPF[Div] wrote:
STX or CJ will take this, SKT and OZ don't have the depth to win a bo7 imo

edit: nice writeup btw ^_^

Lmao, why does everyone talk about depth. You don't need CRAZY depth to win.

Even though your predictions might come true (which I really doubt), their players will have to play REALLY well to get pass Oz or SKT.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
July 14 2009 04:23 GMT
#9
Oz and SKT seem to be in a bit of trouble for a bo7..but anything can happen.
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geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
July 14 2009 04:24 GMT
#10
SKT got this with their insane lineup of best/bisu/fantasy/boxer/thezerg/oov/mong. maybe a stx vs SKT finals because i dont really believe in hwaseung Oz (remember finals of CJ entus Vs Oz)
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curiousgeorge
Profile Joined October 2008
United States73 Posts
July 14 2009 04:24 GMT
#11
Sweet write-up!

I agree that STX and CJ have some terrifying depth. KHAN would look nice, if they hadn't been sucking ass for the last 3 rounds. And, while I think SKT is great in bo5, I'm not sure they've got what it takes in bo7...
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8075 Posts
July 14 2009 04:27 GMT
#12
nice writeup, thanks riptide :D

STX ftw
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FreeDoM[YA]
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada855 Posts
July 14 2009 04:32 GMT
#13
SKT is fine. With Bisu, Canata Fantasy and Best, they've got the depth to win it all.
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Profile Joined August 2008
United States527 Posts
July 14 2009 04:34 GMT
#14
Anyone know how the two matches works? If you win 4-1 and then win 2 games the next match, do you auto-win?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 14 2009 04:35 GMT
#15
Canata has been tearing it up in TvZ and TvT, and Best is still good for PvT an PvP, so SKT isn't in any big trouble for the finals. If Thezerg gets to play ZvT, he should be able to do pretty good there since that's what I'd consider his best matchup. I expect Mong to fill the sixth slot for T1. Mong showed us his neverending vulture harass, so if he lands in a TvP matchup that should also be good for SKT's chances.

SKT will be very scary to face in the finals if they snipe all the matchups correctly
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QuickStriker
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3694 Posts
July 14 2009 04:36 GMT
#16
Good writeup, definitely look forward to these finals!! GL all teams, especially BoxeR!!!!!!!!!! ^_^
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AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 04:37:25
July 14 2009 04:37 GMT
#17
i expect CJ vs SKT final or STX vs SKT final.

hwaseung lineup cannot compare to CJ and STX because its bo7
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
July 14 2009 04:37 GMT
#18
I hope SKTT1 wins this, but I wouldn't mind Oz or CJ either. Thanks for the writeup riptide
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Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
July 14 2009 04:37 GMT
#19
I want to see an epic SKT vs Hwaseung for the grand final!!
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Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada168 Posts
July 14 2009 04:38 GMT
#20
i feel like a kid in a candy store with all these games coming up

soooo excited
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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1985 Posts
July 14 2009 04:41 GMT
#21
On July 14 2009 13:32 FreeDoM[YA] wrote:
SKT is fine. With Bisu, Canata Fantasy and Best, they've got the depth to win it all.


but if skt lose one, or two matches, then they will have difficulties. Either they win 4-0, 4-1 or not at all imo.
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
July 14 2009 04:42 GMT
#22
All of the sudden CJ is the team with no depth relying on one Ace player? I know they've had their struggles, but to say EffOrt is their one saving grace is a little much, no?
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Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 04:44:04
July 14 2009 04:42 GMT
#23
SKT should be fine depth-wise. Bisu/Best/Fantasy/Canata/Boxer (last couple games he's played actually looked decent, he certainly has the potential to take a game depending on his opponent) + token zerg is a pretty solid lineup, followed by Bisu/Fantasy in the ace match as appropriate for map and opponent. Maybe CJ or STX is a little deeper, but depth starts having diminishing returns past 4 in a Bo7. They have enough.

Hwaesung could definitely have issues, but ruling them out is silly. Their formula basically changes from Jaedong + (1 of Hiya/Lomo/Backho) + Jaedong to Jaedong + (2 of Hiya/Lomo/Backho/scrub/scrub) + Jaedong. Considering how well the former worked for the regular season as well as the fact that they actually did 3-0 pretty often, their playoff formula isn't that much of a stretch. A lot of Hwaesung's match will come down to the coaching actually IMO - if they can match their scrubs against the other teams aces, their odds increase dramatically.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1430 Posts
July 14 2009 04:49 GMT
#24
Best of 7

Oz's chances are slipping
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Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
July 14 2009 04:50 GMT
#25
CJ should take this. They have great depth and several strong players. Its going to be awesome!
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TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 05:03:52
July 14 2009 04:56 GMT
#26
CJ players aside from Effort have been slipping, perhaps due to individual leagues or whatnot. But, I expect Skyhigh, Movie, and perhaps Iris to start performing better even if they won't play at their peak level. However, it's entirely possible that they won't in which case CJ will have a hard time to clinch a Bo7.
Hite will be a good match for them since their best performing players have to prepare for the OSL and the rest of the team has been unremarkable at the end of the season.
STX should cruise through their opening game, all their players are performing up to par aside from July, which is understandable.
Khan got the worst draw possible against the team full of ZvP specialists.

I hate all these labels that each team has.

For SKT, it's how BeSt completes the trio. He doesn't. Canata has been out performing him in every aspect. Individual leagues, results, fashion.

CJ's lineup cannot compare to STX's right now. They've gotten too complacent. Their "depth" isn't all too daunting.

Oz's is mostly correct, aside from Backho playing somewhat better than he did before his injury, though this is offset by HiyA playing beyond terrible.

Hite's is correct as well, though type-b or Hogil are a tad underrated.

Khan is slightly underrated at the moment. I don't give them a chance against STX, but FBH still has his strategic genius in TvT and he should be at least mediocre in TvZ. Stork is doing okay; he always has a chance to take anyone in a straight up game unless it's against a good ZvPer. Jangbi is a big question mark for me, but with no other obligations, he should have the honor to practice his heart out for his match.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
July 14 2009 05:02 GMT
#27
SKT or STX in my opinion.
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 05:08:27
July 14 2009 05:07 GMT
#28
A few points I'd like to contend:

"while Lomo, Hiya and Backho did manage to provide some support to our Zerg hero in the round robins, the team is going to definitely have problems finding the three extra players that they will now need."

Lomo + Hiya + Backho + Jaedong = 4 players, there are up to six sets plus the ace match in a Bo7, you need 6 players total (assuming a repeat performance from Jaedong)- Oz needs two more, not three.

"As far as Bisu/Fantasy/Best go, SKT does have as solid answer for the opening sets. It is after this, however, that the team's lineup begins to look poor."

Mentioning Boxer, TheZerg and s2 later on without mentioning Canata looks like an oversight. He's been playing at least as well as BeSt lately, and is a solid fourth choice- that plus a mandatory Zerg player, and T1 has only one more spot to fill.

Post Season brackets picture:
STX Soul should be #3
Hite SPARKYZ should be #4
CJ Entus should be #5

Other than that, pretty good post, thanks ^^
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5723 Posts
July 14 2009 05:13 GMT
#29
i asked in the other thread, but nobody seemed to know.

what were these penalties that KT, ACE, and wemade got?
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ForTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States556 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 05:14:40
July 14 2009 05:14 GMT
#30
I think you guys are underestimating OZ a bit. Obviously they rely on Jaedong, but in a bo7 they only have to win 4 games, and two of those (1 normal, 1 ace) JD can (and most likely will) take.

In that case, OZ really only has to win 2 games out of 5, which they are probably capable of sniping.
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Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
July 14 2009 05:19 GMT
#31
+ Show Spoiler +
Schedule
STX SouL vs Samsung KHAN
Game 1 on OnGameNet (7/18)
Set 1: Heartbreak Ridge
Set 2: Neo Medusa
Set 3: Shades of Twilight
Set 4: Neo Harmony
Set 5: Outsider
Set 6: Destination
Closer: Andromeda

Game 2 on MBCgame (7/19)
Set 1: Outsider
Set 2: Neo Harmony
Set 3: Destination
Set 4: Andromeda
Set 5: Neo Medusa
Set 6: Heartbreak Ridge
Closer: Shades of Twilight
Ace Match: Colosseum 2

Anyone know what's up with this two-day schedule? Looks like two Bo7 matches like that, same for Hite vs. CJ.
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riptide
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
5673 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 05:26:50
July 14 2009 05:22 GMT
#32
Made some edits, and most importantly added Canata to my analysis of SKT. That was an oversight on my part, and I apologise. Thanks for all the feedback!

Edit: Rectified the two/three extra players conundrum by simply going with 'extra players'.
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19343 Posts
July 14 2009 05:24 GMT
#33
suprised (T)Justin isn't playing for hite =/
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 14 2009 05:26 GMT
#34
On July 14 2009 13:56 TwoStep wrote:
CJ players aside from Effort have been slipping, perhaps due to individual leagues or whatnot. But, I expect Skyhigh, Movie, and perhaps Iris to start performing better even if they won't play at their peak level. However, it's entirely possible that they won't in which case CJ will have a hard time to clinch a Bo7.
Hite will be a good match for them since their best performing players have to prepare for the OSL and the rest of the team has been unremarkable at the end of the season.
STX should cruise through their opening game, all their players are performing up to par aside from July, which is understandable.
Khan got the worst draw possible against the team full of ZvP specialists.

I hate all these labels that each team has.

For SKT, it's how BeSt completes the trio. He doesn't. Canata has been out performing him in every aspect. Individual leagues, results, fashion.

CJ's lineup cannot compare to STX's right now. They've gotten too complacent. Their "depth" isn't all too daunting.

Oz's is mostly correct, aside from Backho playing somewhat better than he did before his injury, though this is offset by HiyA playing beyond terrible.

Hite's is correct as well, though type-b or Hogil are a tad underrated.

Khan is slightly underrated at the moment. I don't give them a chance against STX, but FBH still has his strategic genius in TvT and he should be at least mediocre in TvZ. Stork is doing okay; he always has a chance to take anyone in a straight up game unless it's against a good ZvPer. Jangbi is a big question mark for me, but with no other obligations, he should have the honor to practice his heart out for his match.

On what you said about STX I think theres a good chance july's play will be back in shape in time. Especially given his GOM performance. He admitted in interview he had a personal issue to deal with and hadnt been practicing. Its not that he decayed as a player its that he simply wasnt practicing. He said he is back to full steam practice wise and before that he was on like a 10 or so winning streak in proleague (forget exact #).
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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
July 14 2009 05:28 GMT
#35
I don't see OZ winning a round of 7.

For OZ to win, they have to win at least 3 games in the first 6, which will be difficult. So far, it looks to me that Jaedong has about a 70-80% chance of taking a game, but Lomo, Backho, Hiya are about 50%, and the rest of OZ are even worse.

I also have a question. In PL bo5, every race has to be featured once. Now it's bo7, so is it the case that every race has to be featured twice? If so SKT is screwed over.
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Elian
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States129 Posts
July 14 2009 05:30 GMT
#36
I think STX will take this. Lots of good games coming up.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
July 14 2009 05:32 GMT
#37
On July 14 2009 13:24 geegee1 wrote:
SKT got this with their insane lineup of best/bisu/fantasy/boxer/thezerg/oov/mong. maybe a stx vs SKT finals because i dont really believe in hwaseung Oz (remember finals of CJ entus Vs Oz)
lol oov, mong, thezerg.

sparkyz went to the finals and were crushed. redemption time for them.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 05:56:43
July 14 2009 05:45 GMT
#38
On July 14 2009 13:42 Macavenger wrote:
SKT should be fine depth-wise. Bisu/Best/Fantasy/Canata/Boxer (last couple games he's played actually looked decent, he certainly has the potential to take a game depending on his opponent) + token zerg is a pretty solid lineup, followed by Bisu/Fantasy in the ace match as appropriate for map and opponent. Maybe CJ or STX is a little deeper, but depth starts having diminishing returns past 4 in a Bo7. They have enough.


Huh? Shouldn't depth... increase it's returns... deeper... into the line-up...? ... ... ...

I'm perplexed as to why the Playoffs are formatted so radically differently than normal game play. This never happens anywhere else; it's not like in the Stanley Cup they start playing four periods, so why the major major change?

This format favors STX, and CJ, especially depending on the match-ups. I see four CJ players who I would consider solid or excellent players,
((Z)EffOrt, (Z)Kwanro, (T)Iris, (T)sKyHigh)
and three who are certainly strong but much weaker.
((P)Much, (P)Movie, (Z)sAviOr).


This is not quite as impressive as STX however, as they boast five strong players,
((P)Kal, (T)Hwasin, (Z)Calm, (Z)Modesty, (Z)by.hero)
and three others whom they can also expect to fair adequately
((P)Shuttle, (T)Bogus, (Z)July)
. Only STX's lack of a true ace, keeps them from being the runaway favorites for this championship.

Match-ups will undoubtedly be key. But STX, and then CJ probably have the most routes to win.
Good for CJ:
+ Show Spoiler +

EffOrt v. type-b
Kwanro v. Horang2
sKyHigh v. go.go
Iris v. HoGil
Much v. herb
sAviOr v. type-b
Movie v. Leta


Good for Hite:
+ Show Spoiler +

Leta v. Kwanro
Horang2 v. Iris
YellOw[ArnC] v. sKyHigh
type-b v. sAviOr
HoGil v. Movie
go.go v. Much
herb
v. EffOrt

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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 05:59:37
July 14 2009 05:48 GMT
#39
Lets go khan, prove everyone wrong and win this shit!
most likely stork, fbh, jangbi, great, and juni/chavi/yoon/miracle/frozean will fill in the last 2 spots.

STX worries me a lot. They have a great line up thats doing well, better than cj's in my opinion. Calm, hero, kal, hwasin r scary. Shuttle is doing well. And july could play.

And oz winning a title is like no. Hiya, backho, lomo will have to be in tip top shape for oz to win this, same goes for jaedong.

Lets c for cj, while still great, they're slipping. While having a great line up, none of them are doing like they should. Effort isn't as monstrous he was before. Same goes for skyhigh. Much, iris, savior are still out of it. Kwanro and movie are still inconsistent as hell.

SKT has a good chance of winning this, best performing much better, bisu, fantasy. Thezerg is a decent z. Boxer is still better than some of the other players.

Hite relys on leta too much. It'll be hard for them to win this.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada2533 Posts
July 14 2009 05:54 GMT
#40
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=90341
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Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
July 14 2009 06:09 GMT
#41
bisu 79%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! holy shet...yet it seems like far more ppl laud JD for his 81% ZvZ as opposed to bisu's 79% PvAll (as far as the PL is concerned) =(
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Emlary
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
China3334 Posts
July 14 2009 06:16 GMT
#42
On July 14 2009 12:55 riptide wrote:
Kim Taek Yong, another contender for top gun that we looked at last week, falls just a game behind his OZ and KT counterparts to finish with 53 wins and a measly 14 losses when compared to Flash's 19 and Jaedong's 21. While certainly entitled to feeling robbed, and no doubt a little peeved at Boxer and Mong for not allowing him that last game vs Violet, Bisu has other things on his mind.


T_T I'm so pissed at this. But after hearing BoxeR's apology in the post-match interview (yeah, Boxer can get an interview even if he lost the game), I find some relief.
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Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 06:22:45
July 14 2009 06:18 GMT
#43
On July 14 2009 14:45 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2009 13:42 Macavenger wrote:
SKT should be fine depth-wise. Bisu/Best/Fantasy/Canata/Boxer (last couple games he's played actually looked decent, he certainly has the potential to take a game depending on his opponent) + token zerg is a pretty solid lineup, followed by Bisu/Fantasy in the ace match as appropriate for map and opponent. Maybe CJ or STX is a little deeper, but depth starts having diminishing returns past 4 in a Bo7. They have enough.


Huh? Shouldn't depth... increase it's returns... deeper... into the line-up...? ... ... ...

I'd say there are diminishing returns to having more and more good players on your lineup. Of course, this doesn't mean it's not a good idea to have lots of good players- just that, assuming equal skill level, each additional good player adds less to your lineup than the last after a certain point.

For a Bo7, you need 4 wins as a team- for a team with all its eggs in one basket like Oz, if JD can pick up 2 wins, then you only need two more wins between the other 5 players. Having a second and third great players who can win is very helpful; having a fourth adds more room for error; adding a fifth and sixth can start looking a little overkill (imagine a JD - Bisu - Flash - Leta - Effort - Fantasy lineup)- the goal is not to win 7-0 or 6-1, but rather, to win 4 games. If you're going to win 4-0 with an all-star lineup, then your fifth and sixth players won't even get to play, and are thus less crucial than the first four players. Heck, you could even make do with 3 players who win all their games (one of them making a repeat performance in the ace).

That said, yeah, depth is still a good thing to have in a Bo7- despite those diminishing returns. Realistically, there isn't any team that can expect to win 4-0 in the playoffs, and being able to contest each and every game will be a big help.
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 06:20:56
July 14 2009 06:19 GMT
#44
On July 14 2009 14:19 Zato-1 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Schedule
STX SouL vs Samsung KHAN
Game 1 on OnGameNet (7/18)
Set 1: Heartbreak Ridge
Set 2: Neo Medusa
Set 3: Shades of Twilight
Set 4: Neo Harmony
Set 5: Outsider
Set 6: Destination
Closer: Andromeda

Game 2 on MBCgame (7/19)
Set 1: Outsider
Set 2: Neo Harmony
Set 3: Destination
Set 4: Andromeda
Set 5: Neo Medusa
Set 6: Heartbreak Ridge
Closer: Shades of Twilight
Ace Match: Colosseum 2

Anyone know what's up with this two-day schedule? Looks like two Bo7 matches like that, same for Hite vs. CJ.


Im also curious about this. Is this really a bo15, but the players just cant be repeated until the next day. And can some1 potentially play a regular set, closer, and ace match on day???
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
July 14 2009 06:21 GMT
#45
On July 14 2009 15:19 Nick_54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2009 14:19 Zato-1 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Schedule
STX SouL vs Samsung KHAN
Game 1 on OnGameNet (7/18)
Set 1: Heartbreak Ridge
Set 2: Neo Medusa
Set 3: Shades of Twilight
Set 4: Neo Harmony
Set 5: Outsider
Set 6: Destination
Closer: Andromeda

Game 2 on MBCgame (7/19)
Set 1: Outsider
Set 2: Neo Harmony
Set 3: Destination
Set 4: Andromeda
Set 5: Neo Medusa
Set 6: Heartbreak Ridge
Closer: Shades of Twilight
Ace Match: Colosseum 2

Anyone know what's up with this two-day schedule? Looks like two Bo7 matches like that, same for Hite vs. CJ.


Im also curious about this. Is this really a bo15, but the players just cant be repeated until the next day. And can some1 potentially play a regular set, closer, and ace match on day???

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ShoGunBo
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania55 Posts
July 14 2009 06:29 GMT
#46
U forgot to mention Horang2 for Hite! He's more reliable than go.go and type-b!
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 06:41:08
July 14 2009 06:37 GMT
#47
On July 14 2009 13:42 p4NDemik wrote:
All of the sudden CJ is the team with no depth relying on one Ace player? I know they've had their struggles, but to say EffOrt is their one saving grace is a little much, no?

You're right it's crazy to say that. CJ has an incredibly strong lineup, particularly at the moment.

On July 14 2009 14:45 tree.hugger wrote:
This format favors STX, and CJ, especially depending on the match-ups. I see four CJ players who I would consider solid or excellent players,
Show nested quote +
((Z)EffOrt, (Z)Kwanro, (T)Iris, (T)sKyHigh)
and three who are certainly strong but much weaker.
Show nested quote +
((P)Much, (P)Movie, (Z)sAviOr).


This is not quite as impressive as STX however, as they boast five strong players,
Show nested quote +
((P)Kal, (T)Hwasin, (Z)Calm, (Z)Modesty, (Z)by.hero)
and three others whom they can also expect to fair adequately
Show nested quote +
((P)Shuttle, (T)Bogus, (Z)July)
. Only STX's lack of a true ace, keeps them from being the runaway favorites for this championship.

I wouldn't agree that STX have better depth.
If you rank the top7 players of each in terms of elo you get:

CJ (Z)(Z)EffOrt 2272 pts
STX (Z)(Z)Calm 2218 pts
STX (P)(P)Kal 2189 pts
CJ (T)(T)Iris 2172 pts
CJ (T)(T)sKyHigh 2171 pts
CJ (Z)(Z)Kwanro 2165 pts
STX (Z)(Z)July 2154 pts
STX (Z)(Z)hero 2120 pts
STX (T)(T)Hwasin 2117 pts
CJ (P)(P)Much 2099 pts
STX (P)(P)YoonJoong 2093 pts
CJ (P)(P)Movie 2073 pts
CJ (Z)(Z)sAviOr 2071 pts
STX(T)(T)Bogus 2068 pts

It's close but I believe CJ has the edge.

Just for fun I'll add Oz to that list:
+ Show Spoiler +
OZ (Z) (Z)Jaedong 2280 pts
CJ (Z)(Z)EffOrt 2272 pts
STX (Z)(Z)Calm 2218 pts
STX (P)(P)Kal 2189 pts
CJ (T)(T)Iris 2172 pts
CJ (T)(T)sKyHigh 2171 pts
CJ (Z)(Z)Kwanro 2165 pts
STX (Z)(Z)July 2154 pts
STX (Z)(Z)hero 2120 pts
STX (T)(T)Hwasin 2117 pts
CJ (P)(P)Much 2099 pts
STX (P)(P)YoonJoong 2093 pts
CJ (P)(P)Movie 2073 pts
CJ (Z)(Z)sAviOr 2071 pts
OZ (P)(P)BackHo 2071 pts
STX(T)(T)Bogus 2068 pts
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FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
July 14 2009 06:49 GMT
#48
Nice writeup, loved it.

We should have some really nice games and the bo7 format is full of win. Go SKT1!!!
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
July 14 2009 06:58 GMT
#49
STX for the win IMO.
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 07:51:40
July 14 2009 07:43 GMT
#50
This was Samsung's plan all along. They we're bored winning finals after finishing first place and they wanted to give a handicap to other teams by finishing in 6th place for the season. That way they will look all the better when they win the proleague title again in 2009. + Show Spoiler +

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It's all part of the plan seeeeeeeee

FranzF1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile1710 Posts
July 14 2009 07:44 GMT
#51
Hahaha its going to be fun when Khan wins this thing and all the people go WTF!
Just wait to see Jangbi/Fbh/Stork/great training and playing for rela

=D
Member #99999^99 of the fanclub of Grape, Reality and TurN
Refrige
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States179 Posts
July 14 2009 07:52 GMT
#52
lmao khan fanboys uniteeeeeeee
comeback starts now
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
July 14 2009 07:55 GMT
#53
i hope
wraiths go pew pew
deL
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Australia5540 Posts
July 14 2009 08:16 GMT
#54
wtf is this penalty point BS
Gaming videos for fun ~ http://www.youtube.com/user/WijLopenLos
mucker
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1120 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 08:18:02
July 14 2009 08:17 GMT
#55
from the top 40 of the elo
number of players / average rank / average elo

SKT - 4 / 10.25 / 2203
OZ - 2 / 21 / 2175
CJ - 6 / 17 / 2159
hite - 5 / 19.8 / 2139
STX - 6 / 17.67 / 2149
KHAN - 4 / 26.75 / 2104
It's supposed to be automatic but actually you have to press this button.
SilverskY
Profile Joined September 2008
Korea (South)3086 Posts
July 14 2009 08:36 GMT
#56
That front page picture reminded me of how much I miss Midas. Baby Bear!~~
Graphics
barbahaba0
Profile Joined January 2009
Israel226 Posts
July 14 2009 09:11 GMT
#57
wait a simple question ??
are there 2 games each time?
i mean its a bo7 why are there 2 dates for each match ??
is it bo7 bo2?
game over dude .... game over!!!!
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
July 14 2009 09:36 GMT
#58
SKT FIGHTING
ReCharge
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Philippines505 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 10:07:09
July 14 2009 10:05 GMT
#59
I'm so confident that SKT1 will win easy, so confident that I'm willing to bet my life.
(P)Bisu > anyone, except maybe >= (Z)Jaedong
Best > T/P player, his T has improved A LOT, and he's not slumping like he did at the (T)End of (T)Last year. He sure is doing well to deserve his name.
(T)fantasy > P player, come on, it's (T)fantasy, he 3-0 (P)Bisu. What do you expect when he faces a P player? To lose? Yah right.
(T)Canata > T player, (T)Canata, has been doing very well as well lately. you just can't expect him to lose.
(Z)Thezerg > Cheesing player, remember when he faced (T)XellOs? Yah, he defended and played so well, if his opponent cheeses, he already wins.
(Z)Hyuk > P player, (Z)Hyuk's ZvP is good, and there aren't any good protosses ready enough to face him.
(T)BoxeR > everyone. It's (T)BoxeR DUH! He's got the name "The Emperor" for a reason.
David Kim for Bonjwa!
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
July 14 2009 10:27 GMT
#60
If I take that bet, do I get you as an indentured servant if they lose?
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Assariel
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany8 Posts
July 14 2009 10:43 GMT
#61
I think STX and CJ gonna win the first rounds. But either of them will loose against Oz, which in turn will be smashed by SKT... So in the end it seems to be of no use anyhow... But I hope for nice games.
Thanks for the interesting article.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13918 Posts
July 14 2009 10:47 GMT
#62
nice write up
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Evs
Profile Joined December 2008
Philippines330 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 10:59:42
July 14 2009 10:57 GMT
#63
IMO the final standings speaks strongly on how much influence depth ( which most people define as the number of historically competent players) contributes for a team to perform well in the league.

SKT and OZ got where they are not just because of star players but because the rest of the team managed to pull through enough wins for them to edge out over other "deep" teams.

The biggest factor for me would be how well each team snipes players which given starcraft's nature would give less stellar players (Hyuk, Frozean, etc.) a chance to take down big names. Something they normally woudn't accomplish in a BOX.
FearDarkness
Profile Joined February 2009
United States519 Posts
July 14 2009 11:03 GMT
#64
Modesty and Last playing over July .
SKT line-up may consist of
Bisu x2
Fantasy x2
Best x2
Canata x2
Thezergx2
Hyuk x1
Doctor.K x1
Can't spell Voidrays without Idra
exeprime
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom643 Posts
July 14 2009 11:06 GMT
#65
On July 14 2009 19:05 ReCharge wrote:
I'm so confident that SKT1 will win easy, so confident that I'm willing to bet my life.
(P)Bisu > anyone, except maybe >= (Z)Jaedong
Best > T/P player, his T has improved A LOT, and he's not slumping like he did at the (T)End of (T)Last year. He sure is doing well to deserve his name.
(T)fantasy > P player, come on, it's (T)fantasy, he 3-0 (P)Bisu. What do you expect when he faces a P player? To lose? Yah right.
(T)Canata > T player, (T)Canata, has been doing very well as well lately. you just can't expect him to lose.
(Z)Thezerg > Cheesing player, remember when he faced (T)XellOs? Yah, he defended and played so well, if his opponent cheeses, he already wins.
(Z)Hyuk > P player, (Z)Hyuk's ZvP is good, and there aren't any good protosses ready enough to face him.
(T)BoxeR > everyone. It's (T)BoxeR DUH! He's got the name "The Emperor" for a reason.


That's assuming some of the players get their best matchup. Sure, fantasy has beastly vP, but his vZ, for example, isn't that brilliant. Plus, none of them is really unbeatable. What if Bisu finds himself facing by.hero?
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 11:08:26
July 14 2009 11:08 GMT
#66
On July 14 2009 19:05 ReCharge wrote:
I'm so confident that SKT1 will win easy, so confident that I'm willing to bet my life.
(P)Bisu > anyone, except maybe >= (Z)Jaedong
Best > T/P player, his T has improved A LOT, and he's not slumping like he did at the (T)End of (T)Last year. He sure is doing well to deserve his name.
(T)fantasy > P player, come on, it's (T)fantasy, he 3-0 (P)Bisu. What do you expect when he faces a P player? To lose? Yah right.
(T)Canata > T player, (T)Canata, has been doing very well as well lately. you just can't expect him to lose.
(Z)Thezerg > Cheesing player, remember when he faced (T)XellOs? Yah, he defended and played so well, if his opponent cheeses, he already wins.
(Z)Hyuk > P player, (Z)Hyuk's ZvP is good, and there aren't any good protosses ready enough to face him.
(T)BoxeR > everyone. It's (T)BoxeR DUH! He's got the name "The Emperor" for a reason.

-__________________-

Canata > T/Z/P especially Z kthx.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
July 14 2009 11:59 GMT
#67
STX and CJ look to have the best teams, I don't see Oz advancing out of semis, that roster is scary bad. I don't think they have another 50%+ player.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
July 14 2009 12:05 GMT
#68
0-12 for frozean? Wowwww

I really liked watching him about a year ago and he wasnt great then, but at least winning some. Damn.
#1 Kwanro Fan
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
July 14 2009 12:15 GMT
#69
Going to be awesome games ahead. CJ for the finals and victory.

Good write-up ^^
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 14 2009 12:16 GMT
#70
CJ will surprise everyone like in WL!!
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
July 14 2009 12:17 GMT
#71
Oz is in trouble...
Bo7. unless they can clone JD
CJ has the lineup and so does STX i think. SKT1 always has that shitty zerg to take account for...
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19130 Posts
July 14 2009 12:44 GMT
#72
Soul and CJ for quarters tbh.
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
July 14 2009 13:02 GMT
#73
This is all about STX. They have a deep roster and lots of budding players. Now's the time.
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
July 14 2009 13:24 GMT
#74
Excellent writeup, much appreciated.

On July 14 2009 17:17 mucker wrote:
from the top 40 of the elo
number of players / average rank / average elo

SKT - 4 / 10.25 / 2203
OZ - 2 / 21 / 2175
CJ - 6 / 17 / 2159
hite - 5 / 19.8 / 2139
STX - 6 / 17.67 / 2149
KHAN - 4 / 26.75 / 2104

Found this a bit scary as an Oz fan, i always knew the other players were bad but didn't realize they were horrid,except BackHo. I'd really love to see Killer / some other new guy play well so they could give Hiya the boot.

Can't see a way for Oz to win if it's CJ or STX whom they face, however somehow they always seem to beat hite, which very well could beat atleast CJ..
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
July 14 2009 14:37 GMT
#75
SKT has the deepest and sharpest line up. No team can match with them theorically.Followed by STX and CJ.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
July 14 2009 15:09 GMT
#76
Team rosters are slightly wrong at least Khan and STX side but other than that expecting good matches!!!
seppolevne
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1681 Posts
July 14 2009 15:40 GMT
#77
Type-b is a backbone but not Horang2? grrrrrrrr
Nice writeup, STX is looking pretty fierce, I'll be staying up late for all of these.
J- Pirate Udyr WW T- Pirate Riven Galio M- Galio Annie S- Sona Lux -- Always farm, never carry.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
July 14 2009 15:56 GMT
#78
T1 just needs to win 1 Bo7. Just one and then they have a pretty decent shot at taking this
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
July 14 2009 16:01 GMT
#79
Why isn't Justin on the Hite roster? He's on the Hite vs CJ lineup.
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
July 14 2009 16:16 GMT
#80
On July 15 2009 01:01 o3.power91 wrote:
Why isn't Justin on the Hite roster? He's on the Hite vs CJ lineup.


too much copy+paste from old sources.
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
July 14 2009 18:51 GMT
#81
I feel like this format definitely helps Jaedong not hurts him. If his team can win two matches on the same day he can win 3 and send them to the final.
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
July 14 2009 19:10 GMT
#82
I really don't get CJ's double thumbs down on god's garden.

Both Much sAviOr and EffOrt are known/have shown fantastic macro skills especially in this 3 starting gas map, and since defense against airplay is something every progamer takes into account when entering this map it could have been a great spot to counter either Leta's 2port wraiths or dropship play or to secure an easy win.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 14 2009 19:12 GMT
#83
On July 15 2009 00:56 o3.power91 wrote:
T1 just needs to win 1 Bo7. Just one and then they have a pretty decent shot at taking this


yeah well, its hard to win if you lose 2 Bo7s :p
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
July 14 2009 19:44 GMT
#84
frozean 0-12

ROFL
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
gumbum8
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States721 Posts
July 14 2009 20:56 GMT
#85
Oz has this, as soon as they bring out their star lineup
MustacheZerg/PirateZerg/Ozsucksballswithoutme/Jaedong/Backho/Lomo
but really, has anyone REALLY been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
July 15 2009 14:25 GMT
#86
CJ's got this, Much and Savior are really good with Gods Garden, i dont know if thats enough to win this but with 3 gas easy access it would make their macro easier.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
July 15 2009 19:12 GMT
#87
Go CJ.
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