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BookTwo
1985 Posts
On July 14 2009 13:32 FreeDoM[YA] wrote: SKT is fine. With Bisu, Canata Fantasy and Best, they've got the depth to win it all. but if skt lose one, or two matches, then they will have difficulties. Either they win 4-0, 4-1 or not at all imo. | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Macavenger
United States1132 Posts
Hwaesung could definitely have issues, but ruling them out is silly. Their formula basically changes from Jaedong + (1 of Hiya/Lomo/Backho) + Jaedong to Jaedong + (2 of Hiya/Lomo/Backho/scrub/scrub) + Jaedong. Considering how well the former worked for the regular season as well as the fact that they actually did 3-0 pretty often, their playoff formula isn't that much of a stretch. A lot of Hwaesung's match will come down to the coaching actually IMO - if they can match their scrubs against the other teams aces, their odds increase dramatically. | ||
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G3CKO
Canada1430 Posts
Oz's chances are slipping | ||
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Marine50
Australia1764 Posts
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TwoStep
United States294 Posts
Hite will be a good match for them since their best performing players have to prepare for the OSL and the rest of the team has been unremarkable at the end of the season. STX should cruise through their opening game, all their players are performing up to par aside from July, which is understandable. Khan got the worst draw possible against the team full of ZvP specialists. I hate all these labels that each team has. For SKT, it's how BeSt completes the trio. He doesn't. Canata has been out performing him in every aspect. Individual leagues, results, fashion. CJ's lineup cannot compare to STX's right now. They've gotten too complacent. Their "depth" isn't all too daunting. Oz's is mostly correct, aside from Backho playing somewhat better than he did before his injury, though this is offset by HiyA playing beyond terrible. Hite's is correct as well, though type-b or Hogil are a tad underrated. Khan is slightly underrated at the moment. I don't give them a chance against STX, but FBH still has his strategic genius in TvT and he should be at least mediocre in TvZ. Stork is doing okay; he always has a chance to take anyone in a straight up game unless it's against a good ZvPer. Jangbi is a big question mark for me, but with no other obligations, he should have the honor to practice his heart out for his match. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
"while Lomo, Hiya and Backho did manage to provide some support to our Zerg hero in the round robins, the team is going to definitely have problems finding the three extra players that they will now need." Lomo + Hiya + Backho + Jaedong = 4 players, there are up to six sets plus the ace match in a Bo7, you need 6 players total (assuming a repeat performance from Jaedong)- Oz needs two more, not three. "As far as Bisu/Fantasy/Best go, SKT does have as solid answer for the opening sets. It is after this, however, that the team's lineup begins to look poor." Mentioning Boxer, TheZerg and s2 later on without mentioning Canata looks like an oversight. He's been playing at least as well as BeSt lately, and is a solid fourth choice- that plus a mandatory Zerg player, and T1 has only one more spot to fill. Post Season brackets picture: STX Soul should be #3 Hite SPARKYZ should be #4 CJ Entus should be #5 Other than that, pretty good post, thanks ^^ | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
what were these penalties that KT, ACE, and wemade got? | ||
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ForTheSwarm
United States556 Posts
In that case, OZ really only has to win 2 games out of 5, which they are probably capable of sniping. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
Schedule STX SouL vs Samsung KHAN Game 1 on OnGameNet (7/18) Set 1: Heartbreak Ridge Set 2: Neo Medusa Set 3: Shades of Twilight Set 4: Neo Harmony Set 5: Outsider Set 6: Destination Closer: Andromeda Game 2 on MBCgame (7/19) Set 1: Outsider Set 2: Neo Harmony Set 3: Destination Set 4: Andromeda Set 5: Neo Medusa Set 6: Heartbreak Ridge Closer: Shades of Twilight Ace Match: Colosseum 2 Anyone know what's up with this two-day schedule? Looks like two Bo7 matches like that, same for Hite vs. CJ. | ||
riptide
5673 Posts
Edit: Rectified the two/three extra players conundrum by simply going with 'extra players'.  | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19347 Posts
 Justin isn't playing for hite =/ | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On July 14 2009 13:56 TwoStep wrote: CJ players aside from Effort have been slipping, perhaps due to individual leagues or whatnot. But, I expect Skyhigh, Movie, and perhaps Iris to start performing better even if they won't play at their peak level. However, it's entirely possible that they won't in which case CJ will have a hard time to clinch a Bo7. Hite will be a good match for them since their best performing players have to prepare for the OSL and the rest of the team has been unremarkable at the end of the season. STX should cruise through their opening game, all their players are performing up to par aside from July, which is understandable. Khan got the worst draw possible against the team full of ZvP specialists. I hate all these labels that each team has. For SKT, it's how BeSt completes the trio. He doesn't. Canata has been out performing him in every aspect. Individual leagues, results, fashion. CJ's lineup cannot compare to STX's right now. They've gotten too complacent. Their "depth" isn't all too daunting. Oz's is mostly correct, aside from Backho playing somewhat better than he did before his injury, though this is offset by HiyA playing beyond terrible. Hite's is correct as well, though type-b or Hogil are a tad underrated. Khan is slightly underrated at the moment. I don't give them a chance against STX, but FBH still has his strategic genius in TvT and he should be at least mediocre in TvZ. Stork is doing okay; he always has a chance to take anyone in a straight up game unless it's against a good ZvPer. Jangbi is a big question mark for me, but with no other obligations, he should have the honor to practice his heart out for his match. On what you said about STX I think theres a good chance july's play will be back in shape in time. Especially given his GOM performance. He admitted in interview he had a personal issue to deal with and hadnt been practicing. Its not that he decayed as a player its that he simply wasnt practicing. He said he is back to full steam practice wise and before that he was on like a 10 or so winning streak in proleague (forget exact #). | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
For OZ to win, they have to win at least 3 games in the first 6, which will be difficult. So far, it looks to me that Jaedong has about a 70-80% chance of taking a game, but Lomo, Backho, Hiya are about 50%, and the rest of OZ are even worse. I also have a question. In PL bo5, every race has to be featured once. Now it's bo7, so is it the case that every race has to be featured twice? If so SKT is screwed over. | ||
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Elian
United States129 Posts
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rredtooth
5459 Posts
On July 14 2009 13:24 geegee1 wrote: lol oov, mong, thezerg.SKT got this with their insane lineup of best/bisu/fantasy/boxer/thezerg/oov/mong. maybe a stx vs SKT finals because i dont really believe in hwaseung Oz (remember finals of CJ entus Vs Oz) sparkyz went to the finals and were crushed. redemption time for them. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On July 14 2009 13:42 Macavenger wrote: SKT should be fine depth-wise. Bisu/Best/Fantasy/Canata/Boxer (last couple games he's played actually looked decent, he certainly has the potential to take a game depending on his opponent) + token zerg is a pretty solid lineup, followed by Bisu/Fantasy in the ace match as appropriate for map and opponent. Maybe CJ or STX is a little deeper, but depth starts having diminishing returns past 4 in a Bo7. They have enough. Huh? Shouldn't depth... increase it's returns... deeper... into the line-up...? ... ... ... I'm perplexed as to why the Playoffs are formatted so radically differently than normal game play. This never happens anywhere else; it's not like in the Stanley Cup they start playing four periods, so why the major major change? This format favors STX, and CJ, especially depending on the match-ups. I see four CJ players who I would consider solid or excellent players, and three who are certainly strong but much weaker. This is not quite as impressive as STX however, as they boast five strong players, and three others whom they can also expect to fair adequately . Only STX's lack of a true ace, keeps them from being the runaway favorites for this championship. Match-ups will undoubtedly be key. But STX, and then CJ probably have the most routes to win. Good for CJ: + Show Spoiler + EffOrt v. type-b Kwanro v. Horang2 sKyHigh v. go.go Iris v. HoGil Much v. herb sAviOr v. type-b Movie v. Leta Good for Hite: + Show Spoiler + Leta v. Kwanro Horang2 v. Iris YellOw[ArnC] v. sKyHigh type-b v. sAviOr HoGil v. Movie go.go v. Much herb v. EffOrt | ||
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
most likely stork, fbh, jangbi, great, and juni/chavi/yoon/miracle/frozean will fill in the last 2 spots. STX worries me a lot. They have a great line up thats doing well, better than cj's in my opinion. Calm, hero, kal, hwasin r scary. Shuttle is doing well. And july could play. And oz winning a title is like no. Hiya, backho, lomo will have to be in tip top shape for oz to win this, same goes for jaedong. Lets c for cj, while still great, they're slipping. While having a great line up, none of them are doing like they should. Effort isn't as monstrous he was before. Same goes for skyhigh. Much, iris, savior are still out of it. Kwanro and movie are still inconsistent as hell. SKT has a good chance of winning this, best performing much better, bisu, fantasy. Thezerg is a decent z. Boxer is still better than some of the other players. Hite relys on leta too much. It'll be hard for them to win this. | ||
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jodogohoo
Canada2533 Posts
liquibet oz ez | ||
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