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pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
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LunaSea
Luxembourg369 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:48 Balinek wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote: Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses. The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it. Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this. Remove marines and guess who will win? This cheese from MVP was amazing, I'd personally liked it a lot, don't understand why U people are so attached to this 35 minutes games from which 25 minutes is just boring macro and macro and 10 minutes is fun. This last game was non stop excitement! Are you CombatEx ? And btw, calling a 2 rax all-in an "amazing cheese by MVP" ... seriously ? | ||
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Hawka12
Australia26 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote: Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses. The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it. Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this. lol why is protoss using HT and Colossus just because some disadvantage of gateway units. use ur brain before u post | ||
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sirjac
United States1 Post
What we also witnessed was a Protoss whose skill (while unquestioned for a long time) had finally gained himself entry into the finals of the largest and most grueling e-sports tournament the world can offer. After all, it is widely accepted the most difficult part is winning admission into Code-A. The competition is vast and unforgiving. I will not get into the pros and cons of a top tier whose retention rate allows for a system where the pros are given the financial luxury to remain focused solely on SC2 as this has been analyzed before and far more adroitly than I would be able to turn out. However, I would like to point to out that this series is not only a real turning point for GSL (as in it did not end 4-0, 4-1, or a lopsided 4-2), but also it may represent a transition in SC2 tournament play as we know it. Broodwar pros have for years understood the game from its opening moments to what their true "super late-game" compositions and strategies should look like. Therefore it is all too apt that Tasteless and Artosis mentioned in their cast of the Finals the back and forth "cheesy" "1-base" strategies that were employed at the start of competitive SC2 play. We have come a long way from Steppes of War!!! And how thankful we should be. Could it be that tonight’s games represented the first real view into the full scope of competitive SC2 games? When, for example, has LG-IM MVP ever been faced with a map and an opponent that forces him into the 2nd hour of a single game? When would that same opponent be able to shirk the pressure of 20+ ghosts with an accompanying number of BATTLECRUISERS with 3/3 upgrades and planetary fortresses gumming up the ground game to come out to a victory using an archon toilet in circus with void rays and stalkers (traditionally Protoss is terrible in the air with the exception of White-Ra’s unconventional Carrier play)? I for one can only hope that we can use the momentum and adrenaline rush of such an exciting final to project Starcraft II to a new level. I know I was awake until 8 AM local time to view the series, and I do not regret it. I believe I was there to witness a paradigm shift. Strangely enough MVP was able to take the 7th and deciding match using a cheese build he’d employed often in his return to GSL greatness and perhaps immortality. Still the series shows the evolution of the game SC2 to a point Broodwar took a decade to reach, and we can all I suspect hope for only more amazing play and with it an amazing response on the part of the fan base. | ||
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Hawka12
Australia26 Posts
Are you CombatEx ? And btw, calling a 2 rax all-in an "amazing cheese by MVP" ... seriously ? [/QUOTE] if u think that game was bad then u really need open ur eyes mate, both player played well Unlike Cattlecruiser and A MOVE+ storm rape. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Hawka12
Australia26 Posts
On May 19 2012 21:01 Larkin wrote: I missed it, what was the cheese? proxy 2 rax? yes it is, it is best game in the series IN my opinion | ||
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sam05396
United States783 Posts
On May 19 2012 21:02 Hawka12 wrote: yes it is, it is best game in the series IN my opinion i dont mind it but the best game in the series? lol | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 19 2012 21:04 sam05396 wrote: i dont mind it but the best game in the series? lol Not the best game of the series gameplay wise but spectator wise it was amazing because of the buildup, going 3-3. final game Mvp goes for a ballsy cheese and BARELY pulls off the win. And I mean BARELY, it was fucking close man. | ||
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Hawka12
Australia26 Posts
On May 19 2012 21:04 sam05396 wrote: i dont mind it but the best game in the series? lol i really disliked the battlecrusier and build order pwnage. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
All of the history leading up to that game and mvp goes for cheese. But what most people missed is that SQUIRTLE DEFENDED IT SUCCESSFULLY AND WAS AHEAD!. MVP won that game because he executed a perfectly timed flank to catch the stalkers and zealot out of position, when they were trying to kill the barracks. Squirtle could have sat back getting sentries, being way ahead, and forced a macro game. But MVP played amazingly well, and so did Squirtle. It was a nail biting end to some amazing esports. After 6 macro games, some of which were a sight to behold, the gsl finals came down to clutch micro and decision making. This is Starcraft. | ||
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Hawka12
Australia26 Posts
On May 19 2012 21:11 Reborn8u wrote: It appears many people are missing some true beauty, that is starcraft, in what just happened. It was without question the best series of starcraft 2 I've ever seen. People are focusing so much on 1 game with cheese, whining about mules, and missing the beauty that game had. All of the history leading up to that game and mvp goes for cheese. But what most people missed is that SQUIRTLE DEFENDED IT SUCCESSFULLY AND WAS AHEAD!. MVP won that game because he executed a perfectly timed flank to catch the stalkers and zealot out of position, when they were trying to kill the barracks. Squirtle could have sat back getting sentries and been way ahead, and forced a macro game. But MVP played amazingly well, and so did Squirtle. It was a nail biting end to some amazing esports. After 6 macro games, some of which were a sight to behold, the gsl finals came down to clutch micro and decision making. This is Starcraft. great point thats why i loved last game! squirtle thought mvp gave up start to overextent himself. i loved mvp spirit of never gave up he always have a back up plan. btw squirtle micro was amazing too. it was awesome game, that cheese game is way better than watching colossi+storm or than bc turtle game | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:55 LunaSea wrote: Are you CombatEx ? And btw, calling a 2 rax all-in an "amazing cheese by MVP" ... seriously ? I would. Against one of the best, might be THE best protoss and you do 2rax cheese in the last game and Squirtle knows it and still manage to win barely. I might say it was one of the best matches today. | ||
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AlbertHR
Indonesia65 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:46 Fenrisulf wrote: its not about that. He had balls to do it on the final game, but squirtle was prepared for it. There is no doubt that with the last map being Atlantis, and after 6 long games, he/his teammates would have predicted a highly possible cheese. He scouted MVP's base, and defended properly but then due to a few small mistakes he lost to an all-in he had already defended. It was a disappointing last game for so many people because Squirtle was making the comeback of the century, back from a 0-3 deficit against MV fucking P on the biggest starcraft stage there is. AND he holds the first wave of an all-in only to fall to all-in number 2. The cheese was not unstoppable. It was not unpredictable. People are disappointed and mad not because of that, but because Squirtle reacted so well, and 1 small mistake in the moment of victory crushed such an amazing comeback and an amazing season for him. Exactly !!! MVP has the balls to do that,, and that needs some props | ||
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wasabay
Korea (South)179 Posts
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markrevival
United States222 Posts
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote: did you actually just compare MVP's brilliant game 7 to Naniwa's incredibly disrespectful probe rush? What the hell? Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses. The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it. Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
Having to read through another TL article, trying to explain that squirtle winning his first GSL is way more impressive than Nestea winning back-to-back 4-0 finals without dropping a single map in between... >_< TL Writers, try not letting the hype get to your heads. | ||
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fer
Canada375 Posts
I thought Teamliquid prided itself in its moderation, good job. | ||
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Feito
United States65 Posts
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