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pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
May 19 2012 11:55 GMT
#261
I m a depressed zealot now :<

Next GSL maybe...
LunaSea
Profile Joined October 2011
Luxembourg369 Posts
May 19 2012 11:55 GMT
#262
On May 19 2012 20:48 Balinek wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote:
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On May 19 2012 20:30 Nayas wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 althaz wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Game 7 was actually AWESOME? Cheese that's really close to working/not working for like three minutes is EXCITING to me, it was exciting in Broodwar and it's exciting in SC2. Would I watch and re-watch the game for the pure skill on display? Of course not, but that doesn't make it any less awesome when watched live (IMO).


Remove mule and think about that game again....


Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses.

The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it.

Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this.


Remove marines and guess who will win?

This cheese from MVP was amazing, I'd personally liked it a lot, don't understand why U people are so attached to this 35 minutes games from which 25 minutes is just boring macro and macro and 10 minutes is fun. This last game was non stop excitement!


Are you CombatEx ? And btw, calling a 2 rax all-in an "amazing cheese by MVP" ... seriously ?
"Your f*cking wrong, but I respect your opinion" --Day[9]
Hawka12
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia26 Posts
May 19 2012 11:57 GMT
#263
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:30 Nayas wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 althaz wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Game 7 was actually AWESOME? Cheese that's really close to working/not working for like three minutes is EXCITING to me, it was exciting in Broodwar and it's exciting in SC2. Would I watch and re-watch the game for the pure skill on display? Of course not, but that doesn't make it any less awesome when watched live (IMO).


Remove mule and think about that game again....


Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses.

The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it.

Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this.

lol why is protoss using HT and Colossus just because some disadvantage of gateway units. use ur brain before u post
IMMVP MMA MKP
sirjac
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1 Post
May 19 2012 11:57 GMT
#264
Anything written about this GSL series that fails to mention the words "best 'best of 7 series' ever" will and should be found hopelessly wanton. We saw unarguably (if tournament showings and monetary earnings mean anything) the best Terran and perhaps best SC2 player to date display his caginess, brilliant micro, and poise in executing game-winning strategies pull down yet another GSL title.

What we also witnessed was a Protoss whose skill (while unquestioned for a long time) had finally gained himself entry into the finals of the largest and most grueling e-sports tournament the world can offer. After all, it is widely accepted the most difficult part is winning admission into Code-A. The competition is vast and unforgiving. I will not get into the pros and cons of a top tier whose retention rate allows for a system where the pros are given the financial luxury to remain focused solely on SC2 as this has been analyzed before and far more adroitly than I would be able to turn out.

However, I would like to point to out that this series is not only a real turning point for GSL (as in it did not end 4-0, 4-1, or a lopsided 4-2), but also it may represent a transition in SC2 tournament play as we know it. Broodwar pros have for years understood the game from its opening moments to what their true "super late-game" compositions and strategies should look like. Therefore it is all too apt that Tasteless and Artosis mentioned in their cast of the Finals the back and forth "cheesy" "1-base" strategies that were employed at the start of competitive SC2 play. We have come a long way from Steppes of War!!! And how thankful we should be. Could it be that tonight’s games represented the first real view into the full scope of competitive SC2 games? When, for example, has LG-IM MVP ever been faced with a map and an opponent that forces him into the 2nd hour of a single game? When would that same opponent be able to shirk the pressure of 20+ ghosts with an accompanying number of BATTLECRUISERS with 3/3 upgrades and planetary fortresses gumming up the ground game to come out to a victory using an archon toilet in circus with void rays and stalkers (traditionally Protoss is terrible in the air with the exception of White-Ra’s unconventional Carrier play)?

I for one can only hope that we can use the momentum and adrenaline rush of such an exciting final to project Starcraft II to a new level. I know I was awake until 8 AM local time to view the series, and I do not regret it. I believe I was there to witness a paradigm shift. Strangely enough MVP was able to take the 7th and deciding match using a cheese build he’d employed often in his return to GSL greatness and perhaps immortality. Still the series shows the evolution of the game SC2 to a point Broodwar took a decade to reach, and we can all I suspect hope for only more amazing play and with it an amazing response on the part of the fan base.
Hawka12
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia26 Posts
May 19 2012 11:58 GMT
#265


Are you CombatEx ? And btw, calling a 2 rax all-in an "amazing cheese by MVP" ... seriously ?
[/QUOTE]
if u think that game was bad then u really need open ur eyes mate, both player played well Unlike Cattlecruiser and A MOVE+ storm rape.
IMMVP MMA MKP
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
May 19 2012 12:01 GMT
#266
I missed it, what was the cheese? proxy 2 rax?
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Hawka12
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia26 Posts
May 19 2012 12:02 GMT
#267
On May 19 2012 21:01 Larkin wrote:
I missed it, what was the cheese? proxy 2 rax?

yes it is, it is best game in the series IN my opinion
IMMVP MMA MKP
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
May 19 2012 12:04 GMT
#268
On May 19 2012 21:02 Hawka12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 21:01 Larkin wrote:
I missed it, what was the cheese? proxy 2 rax?

yes it is, it is best game in the series IN my opinion


i dont mind it but the best game in the series? lol
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 19 2012 12:07 GMT
#269
On May 19 2012 21:04 sam05396 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 21:02 Hawka12 wrote:
On May 19 2012 21:01 Larkin wrote:
I missed it, what was the cheese? proxy 2 rax?

yes it is, it is best game in the series IN my opinion


i dont mind it but the best game in the series? lol


Not the best game of the series gameplay wise but spectator wise it was amazing because of the buildup, going 3-3. final game Mvp goes for a ballsy cheese and BARELY pulls off the win.

And I mean BARELY, it was fucking close man.
Hawka12
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia26 Posts
May 19 2012 12:09 GMT
#270
On May 19 2012 21:04 sam05396 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 21:02 Hawka12 wrote:
On May 19 2012 21:01 Larkin wrote:
I missed it, what was the cheese? proxy 2 rax?

yes it is, it is best game in the series IN my opinion


i dont mind it but the best game in the series? lol

i really disliked the battlecrusier and build order pwnage.
IMMVP MMA MKP
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 12:13:02
May 19 2012 12:11 GMT
#271
It appears many people are missing some true beauty, that is starcraft, in what just happened. It was without question the best series of starcraft 2 I've ever seen. People are focusing so much on 1 game with cheese, whining about mules, and missing the beauty that game had.

All of the history leading up to that game and mvp goes for cheese. But what most people missed is that SQUIRTLE DEFENDED IT SUCCESSFULLY AND WAS AHEAD!. MVP won that game because he executed a perfectly timed flank to catch the stalkers and zealot out of position, when they were trying to kill the barracks. Squirtle could have sat back getting sentries, being way ahead, and forced a macro game.

But MVP played amazingly well, and so did Squirtle. It was a nail biting end to some amazing esports. After 6 macro games, some of which were a sight to behold, the gsl finals came down to clutch micro and decision making. This is Starcraft.
:)
Hawka12
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia26 Posts
May 19 2012 12:17 GMT
#272
On May 19 2012 21:11 Reborn8u wrote:
It appears many people are missing some true beauty, that is starcraft, in what just happened. It was without question the best series of starcraft 2 I've ever seen. People are focusing so much on 1 game with cheese, whining about mules, and missing the beauty that game had.

All of the history leading up to that game and mvp goes for cheese. But what most people missed is that SQUIRTLE DEFENDED IT SUCCESSFULLY AND WAS AHEAD!. MVP won that game because he executed a perfectly timed flank to catch the stalkers and zealot out of position, when they were trying to kill the barracks. Squirtle could have sat back getting sentries and been way ahead, and forced a macro game.

But MVP played amazingly well, and so did Squirtle. It was a nail biting end to some amazing esports. After 6 macro games, some of which were a sight to behold, the gsl finals came down to clutch micro and decision making. This is Starcraft.

great point thats why i loved last game! squirtle thought mvp gave up start to overextent himself. i loved mvp spirit of never gave up he always have a back up plan. btw squirtle micro was amazing too. it was awesome game, that cheese game is way better than watching colossi+storm or than bc turtle game
IMMVP MMA MKP
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
May 19 2012 12:17 GMT
#273
On May 19 2012 20:55 LunaSea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:48 Balinek wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:30 Nayas wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 althaz wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Game 7 was actually AWESOME? Cheese that's really close to working/not working for like three minutes is EXCITING to me, it was exciting in Broodwar and it's exciting in SC2. Would I watch and re-watch the game for the pure skill on display? Of course not, but that doesn't make it any less awesome when watched live (IMO).


Remove mule and think about that game again....


Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses.

The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it.

Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this.


Remove marines and guess who will win?

This cheese from MVP was amazing, I'd personally liked it a lot, don't understand why U people are so attached to this 35 minutes games from which 25 minutes is just boring macro and macro and 10 minutes is fun. This last game was non stop excitement!


Are you CombatEx ? And btw, calling a 2 rax all-in an "amazing cheese by MVP" ... seriously ?


I would. Against one of the best, might be THE best protoss and you do 2rax cheese in the last game and Squirtle knows it and still manage to win barely. I might say it was one of the best matches today.
AlbertHR
Profile Joined June 2011
Indonesia65 Posts
May 19 2012 12:22 GMT
#274
On May 19 2012 20:46 Fenrisulf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:39 AlbertHR wrote:


How can you like a player that cheese over a 40 min long epic macro game whit BC,Ghost,MS,Void rays + an epic archon toilet?


How can you don't like the guy,, that is an insane mindgame !! And everyone here has to expect at least 1 cheese from MVP,, he just did it in the final game when it is the least likely time to do it !! even tastosis didn't expect that (even though the last map is Atlantis Spacebear). and that last game was nail bitting right off the bat !!


its not about that. He had balls to do it on the final game, but squirtle was prepared for it. There is no doubt that with the last map being Atlantis, and after 6 long games, he/his teammates would have predicted a highly possible cheese. He scouted MVP's base, and defended properly but then due to a few small mistakes he lost to an all-in he had already defended. It was a disappointing last game for so many people because Squirtle was making the comeback of the century, back from a 0-3 deficit against MV fucking P on the biggest starcraft stage there is. AND he holds the first wave of an all-in only to fall to all-in number 2.

The cheese was not unstoppable. It was not unpredictable.
People are disappointed and mad not because of that, but because Squirtle reacted so well, and 1 small mistake in the moment of victory crushed such an amazing comeback and an amazing season for him.


Exactly !!! MVP has the balls to do that,, and that needs some props
Playing to get better, Get better to Win !!
wasabay
Profile Joined January 2012
Korea (South)179 Posts
May 19 2012 12:37 GMT
#275
Mvp puts the championship on the line when he did that. It's not like he did it on the 4th game where he got nothing to lose if the cheese fails. Give Mvp the credit he deserves and don't say he don't deserve it.
markrevival
Profile Joined January 2012
United States222 Posts
May 19 2012 12:41 GMT
#276
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote:
Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses.

The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it.

Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this.
did you actually just compare MVP's brilliant game 7 to Naniwa's incredibly disrespectful probe rush? What the hell?
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
May 19 2012 12:41 GMT
#277
Nice prediction
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
May 19 2012 12:41 GMT
#278
I'm glad Mvp won.

Having to read through another TL article, trying to explain that squirtle winning his first GSL is way more impressive than Nestea winning back-to-back 4-0 finals without dropping a single map in between... >_<

TL Writers, try not letting the hype get to your heads.
fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
May 19 2012 12:50 GMT
#279
Mother of god, is the average age of Teamliquid posters below 13? What is with all these people trash talking Mvp for no reason at all than for playing the game, and being the best at it?

I thought Teamliquid prided itself in its moderation, good job.
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Feito
Profile Joined February 2011
United States65 Posts
May 19 2012 13:03 GMT
#280
Congrats to Mvp for winning his fourth GSL trophy.
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