• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:51
CEST 06:51
KST 13:51
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview25Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL46Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30
Community News
[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates7GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th12Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0EWC 2025 Regional Qualifier Results26Code S RO12 Results + RO8 Groups (2025 Season 2)3
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Magnus Carlsen and Fabi review Clem's chess game. BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th
Tourneys
Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Cheeseadelphia 2025 - Open Bracket LAN! $25,000+ WardiTV 2025 Series
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void
Brood War
General
Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BW General Discussion BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I made an ASL quiz [BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 2 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 1
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
What do you want from future RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Cognitive styles x game perf…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 23097 users

[Code S] The Finals - Page 17

Forum Index > News
324 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 15 16 17 All
Bijan
Profile Joined October 2010
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 20:19:55
May 19 2012 20:19 GMT
#321
On May 20 2012 03:04 aznball123 wrote:
Just wanted to add, game 5 was only hyped so much because of the BCs and Archon toilet. I'm 100% sure if Mvp went bio and won, the game would've been a 1 star.


First of all, that whole game was pretty great. Secondly, no shit if the game had been different we would've reacted differently. That's like saying, hey that guy won the race. I'm 100% sure if he had crossed the finish line second he wouldn't have won.
Scootaloo
Profile Joined January 2012
655 Posts
May 19 2012 20:47 GMT
#322
On May 20 2012 05:08 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 03:31 Scootaloo wrote:
Good gods I caused a lot of terran butthurt, obviously the point you're all missing, which terrans never consider due to the dangers of bursting bubbles is the vast array builds terran can do, which, with their supreme ability to deny scouting this means a toss needs to prepare for several different ones, combine that with needing perfect micro to hold and very little such stress on the terran and you got a broken matchup.

Combine that with with mules that allow you to macro when pulling ALL your freaking SCV's, who needs zealots right?

Also consider, what kind of player decides the last game based on a coinflip build? He simply must've realized Squirtle was the superior player and took a page from the big book of terran cheese.

Not to mention that MVP has carpal tunnel syndrome and his APM is lacking, kinda funny how much APM you need to play/cheese as high level terran to beat a far quicker toss.

Edit: almost forgot, nerfing history, when toss get's nerfed, a upgrade get's completely removed or delayed with 30 sec or so, completely killing a strategy, apart from early game PvZ do you ever see void ray harass anymore? (NOT a vray allin)
Or the removal of Kaydarin, only now do we see templar focussed play again, and only for the people confident enougj to take on the micro, as their stupidly slow speed and nonexistant HP without a cheap cloak or burrow makes them sitting ducks.
Most of the terran nerfs have been slight tweakings of build times or stats, hellions are still excessively powerful against workers, while the voidray will most likely remain exclusive to zerg earlygame and the occasional all in.


'needing perfect micro' lol, you sir have never played Terran.

'how much APM' lol#2, not like it's plain notorious that T players have the highest average APM.

'removal of Kaydarin' LOL O L O L are you SERIOUSLY discussing that very nerf?


fucking amazing. MVP outplayed three StarTale tosses in a row during an all-out toss-favored season, it makes him an ASTONISHING born-winner, and the best sc2 player to date. stop discussing it by bitching about his genius cheese (cause yes, that was a genius cheese), it's disrespectful and stupid.

P.S: and LOWL please, you're not playing random.




Silly me, I thought literally copying your baseless insults would make you realize their stupidity, hah.
Then again that might be a bit too much to ask from a guy who feels a compulsive need to type "OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".

I do play terran, that's how random works kid, from your micro comment I can however discern you don't play toss, or at least not at any level I would take seriously, let me reiterate, your wood leaguea experience means nothing.

And usually terran has a higher APM, most because micro makes their units far more effective then for most toss or zerg units, MVP however has CTS, meaning his APM isn't high right now. Unlike that of Squirtle.

Outplayed 3 tosses? More like cheesed 3 tosses, as toss is by far the most vulnerable race to cheese and he kept hitting toss it's more like when Inca got to the finals purely on PvP, able to do 1 thing really good but mediocre at the rest, Cheesing is MVPs PvP.
aznball123
Profile Joined February 2012
2759 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-19 21:14:42
May 19 2012 21:12 GMT
#323
On May 20 2012 05:19 Bijan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 03:04 aznball123 wrote:
Just wanted to add, game 5 was only hyped so much because of the BCs and Archon toilet. I'm 100% sure if Mvp went bio and won, the game would've been a 1 star.


First of all, that whole game was pretty great. Secondly, no shit if the game had been different we would've reacted differently. That's like saying, hey that guy won the race. I'm 100% sure if he had crossed the finish line second he wouldn't have won.


Whole game? LOL they sat at their bases for 30 minutes and had only 2 battles.
Even if Mvp went bio and lost to Squirtle's death ball, it would've been 1 star too. Fail analogy is fail.

Edit: Basically, it was only good because it had BCs/Toilet.
Mmm, what to watch.
Hawka12
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia26 Posts
May 19 2012 23:37 GMT
#324
On May 20 2012 05:47 Scootaloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 05:08 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote:
On May 20 2012 03:31 Scootaloo wrote:
Good gods I caused a lot of terran butthurt, obviously the point you're all missing, which terrans never consider due to the dangers of bursting bubbles is the vast array builds terran can do, which, with their supreme ability to deny scouting this means a toss needs to prepare for several different ones, combine that with needing perfect micro to hold and very little such stress on the terran and you got a broken matchup.

Combine that with with mules that allow you to macro when pulling ALL your freaking SCV's, who needs zealots right?

Also consider, what kind of player decides the last game based on a coinflip build? He simply must've realized Squirtle was the superior player and took a page from the big book of terran cheese.

Not to mention that MVP has carpal tunnel syndrome and his APM is lacking, kinda funny how much APM you need to play/cheese as high level terran to beat a far quicker toss.

Edit: almost forgot, nerfing history, when toss get's nerfed, a upgrade get's completely removed or delayed with 30 sec or so, completely killing a strategy, apart from early game PvZ do you ever see void ray harass anymore? (NOT a vray allin)
Or the removal of Kaydarin, only now do we see templar focussed play again, and only for the people confident enougj to take on the micro, as their stupidly slow speed and nonexistant HP without a cheap cloak or burrow makes them sitting ducks.
Most of the terran nerfs have been slight tweakings of build times or stats, hellions are still excessively powerful against workers, while the voidray will most likely remain exclusive to zerg earlygame and the occasional all in.


'needing perfect micro' lol, you sir have never played Terran.

'how much APM' lol#2, not like it's plain notorious that T players have the highest average APM.

'removal of Kaydarin' LOL O L O L are you SERIOUSLY discussing that very nerf?


fucking amazing. MVP outplayed three StarTale tosses in a row during an all-out toss-favored season, it makes him an ASTONISHING born-winner, and the best sc2 player to date. stop discussing it by bitching about his genius cheese (cause yes, that was a genius cheese), it's disrespectful and stupid.

P.S: and LOWL please, you're not playing random.




Silly me, I thought literally copying your baseless insults would make you realize their stupidity, hah.
Then again that might be a bit too much to ask from a guy who feels a compulsive need to type "OLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL".

I do play terran, that's how random works kid, from your micro comment I can however discern you don't play toss, or at least not at any level I would take seriously, let me reiterate, your wood leaguea experience means nothing.

And usually terran has a higher APM, most because micro makes their units far more effective then for most toss or zerg units, MVP however has CTS, meaning his APM isn't high right now. Unlike that of Squirtle.

Outplayed 3 tosses? More like cheesed 3 tosses, as toss is by far the most vulnerable race to cheese and he kept hitting toss it's more like when Inca got to the finals purely on PvP, able to do 1 thing really good but mediocre at the rest, Cheesing is MVPs PvP.

troll some where else u bronze noob u think terran micro is easy? APM=/=better player(typical bronze noob thought) did u see mvp decision making in that game like i said CHAMPION going be a champion while bronze like u who complain imbalance stay bronze forever
IMMVP MMA MKP
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
May 26 2012 05:52 GMT
#325
On May 19 2012 21:41 markrevival wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote:
Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses.

The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it.

Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this.
did you actually just compare MVP's brilliant game 7 to Naniwa's incredibly disrespectful probe rush? What the hell?


Just ignore this guy. He is a troll and clearly hates starcraft. Game 7 was absolutely brilliant. No one can cheese like MVP, I can't honestly remember a game where he has done something like this and failed. His micro is just the best in the world. Except for maybe MKP, no one even comes close.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Prev 1 15 16 17 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
00:40
DH Dallas Replay Casts
Clem vs SHIN
Reynor vs herO
ShowTime vs SHIN
Serral vs Solar
PiGStarcraft527
LiquipediaDiscussion
Replay Cast
00:00
2025 KFC #9: SC Evolution
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft511
Nina 226
StarCraft: Brood War
PianO 378
Leta 308
BeSt 113
TY 103
Mind 46
Bale 4
Noble 4
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm113
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 873
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K725
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang01033
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor50
Other Games
summit1g8746
WinterStarcraft430
Mew2King101
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick916
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH280
• practicex 23
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 41
• Azhi_Dahaki15
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1486
• Stunt394
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
5h 9m
Bellum Gens Elite
5h 9m
Reynor vs ShoWTimE
Serral vs Lambo
Clem vs Zoun
SC Evo League
7h 9m
Fire Grow Cup
10h 9m
CSO Contender
12h 9m
BSL: ProLeague
13h 9m
StRyKeR vs MadiNho
Cross vs UltrA
TT1 vs JDConan
Bonyth vs Sziky
Replay Cast
19h 9m
SOOP Global
22h 9m
Creator vs Rogue
Cure vs Classic
SOOP
1d 4h
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 5h
[ Show More ]
AllThingsProtoss
1d 6h
Fire Grow Cup
1d 10h
BSL: ProLeague
1d 13h
HBO vs Doodle
spx vs Tech
DragOn vs Hawk
Dewalt vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
1d 19h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL Code S
5 days
herO vs TBD
Classic vs TBD
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
GSL Code S
6 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 1
DreamHack Dallas 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
2025 GSL S2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.