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Scootaloo
655 Posts
Funny how to make people stop whining about 4gate they shove in a massive nerf, yet 1-1-1 and all the other shit terran can pull are just "part of the game". Oh well just 2 more years to having a complete protoss race, let's hope people still play toss then or at all. | ||
pPingu
Switzerland2892 Posts
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Potthead
Australia121 Posts
On May 20 2012 01:10 Scootaloo wrote: Squirtle better player, MVP better race, let's hope Blizzard actually nerfs terran now, +5 sec racks building time, lol. Funny how to make people stop whining about 4gate they shove in a massive nerf, yet 1-1-1 and all the other shit terran can pull are just "part of the game". Oh well just 2 more years to having a complete protoss race, let's hope people still play toss then or at all. Are you fucking kidding me. | ||
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
Over a year since a toss gsl win and even what is supposed to be a strong point for them is just negated by broken terran cheese and mules. And ofcourse I'm talking about the highest levels, you being a bad diamond level terran says nothing. | ||
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
On May 20 2012 01:33 Scootaloo wrote: Over a year since a toss gsl win and even what is supposed to be a strong point for them is just negated by broken terran cheese and mules. And ofcourse I'm talking about the highest levels, you being a bad diamond level terran says nothing. You want them to nerf terran because literally 1 terran can beat toss? Like seriously you say at the highest levels but he's the only one, not even marineking can beat parting or squirtle. So by your logic, as soon as MVP loses, we have to nerf whoever beat him b/c "at the highest levels" terran can't beat x. I think 6 tosses in round of 8 should tell you enough about the balance at the highest levels. Bllizzard's job isn't to make each race win some championships, it's to make a game where the best player, regardless of race can win championships. | ||
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Kekeolele
Norway48 Posts
I hate myself for saying this, but fuck MVP for cheesing that last game! | ||
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kainpusa
Singapore4 Posts
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Disposition1989
Canada270 Posts
On May 20 2012 01:33 Scootaloo wrote: Over a year since a toss gsl win and even what is supposed to be a strong point for them is just negated by broken terran cheese and mules. And ofcourse I'm talking about the highest levels, you being a bad diamond level terran says nothing. and you know more right? mvp made 1 less mistake than squirtle in that final game, so he lost. that isnt anything balance related | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
On May 20 2012 01:57 Kekeolele wrote: + Show Spoiler + I hate myself for saying this, but fuck MVP for cheesing that last game! It was good game. And why not? Mvp didn't do anything wrong. if someone did something wrong it was Squirtle, he knew it is proxy 2 rax and still he did stupid mistakes for example he ran to kill the 2 rax when there was like 95% chance mvp was still there with huge marine ball. that all in would have been easily killed by squirtle but he made critical mistakes. You can't say terran is op if Squirtle was the one making mistakes. I could say that protoss is imba when Squirtle used archon toilet. Nerf protoss make 80 sec build time to units. But it was Mvp making mistakes and Squirtle using them against him. Overall series were really good. Sad that Squirtle lost after his amazing run in GSL beating players like oz,taeja and hero but he will be back. Mvp played very good he has shown that he is still one of the best terrans in the world and no one can deny that. Well played by both players. On May 20 2012 02:13 Disposition1989 wrote: and you know more right? mvp made 1 less mistake than squirtle in that final game, so he lost. that isnt anything balance related I Agree | ||
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Alaiz
France118 Posts
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FATJESUSONABIKE
184 Posts
On May 20 2012 01:10 Scootaloo wrote: Squirtle better player, MVP better race, let's hope Blizzard actually nerfs terran now, +5 sec racks building time, lol. Funny how to make people stop whining about 4gate they shove in a massive nerf, yet 1-1-1 and all the other shit terran can pull are just "part of the game". Oh well just 2 more years to having a complete protoss race, let's hope people still play toss then or at all. shameful, you bronze noob. even more shameful bcos toss has been dominating for 2 months now. want me to remind yu of the players in both last GSLs' semis? i don't think so. | ||
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pimsc2
France73 Posts
I also found Squirtle typical of how boring Protoss is gameplay-wise : Just sit down 20 minutes, do nothing but macro & defend, build a deathball… I mean, if this bo7 final was absolutely awesome, it's because of the entertaining & miraculous play of MvP. Squirtle didn't make any impressive move in this series, apart from a cool blink stalker micro. I mean, if you look at game 5 with BCs, he lost half of this army with his stupid recall on the island, and still manages to win thanks to the imba archon toilet, even after the nerf… I mean, when you let your opponent build 20 Battlecruisers 3/3 with 10 ghosts support, you should lose, plain & simply… Just as if you let a Protoss get 20 upgraded carriers. I'm glad MvP did an incredibly well micro'ed 2 rax on the last game. Gg MvP. | ||
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aznball123
2759 Posts
Just wanted to add, game 5 was only hyped so much because of the BCs and Archon toilet. I'm 100% sure if Mvp went bio and won, the game would've been a 1 star. | ||
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
Combine that with with mules that allow you to macro when pulling ALL your freaking SCV's, who needs zealots right? Also consider, what kind of player decides the last game based on a coinflip build? He simply must've realized Squirtle was the superior player and took a page from the big book of terran cheese. Not to mention that MVP has carpal tunnel syndrome and his APM is lacking, kinda funny how much APM you need to play/cheese as high level terran to beat a far quicker toss. Edit: almost forgot, nerfing history, when toss get's nerfed, a upgrade get's completely removed or delayed with 30 sec or so, completely killing a strategy, apart from early game PvZ do you ever see void ray harass anymore? (NOT a vray allin) Or the removal of Kaydarin, only now do we see templar focussed play again, and only for the people confident enougj to take on the micro, as their stupidly slow speed and nonexistant HP without a cheap cloak or burrow makes them sitting ducks. Most of the terran nerfs have been slight tweakings of build times or stats, hellions are still excessively powerful against workers, while the voidray will most likely remain exclusive to zerg earlygame and the occasional all in. | ||
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MrF
United States320 Posts
P.S. So glad Mvp didnt win game 4. | ||
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Ripebananaa
Canada129 Posts
On May 20 2012 03:31 Scootaloo wrote: Good gods I caused a lot of terran butthurt, obviously the point you're all missing, which terrans never consider due to the dangers of bursting bubbles is the vast array builds terran can do, which, with their supreme ability to deny scouting this means a toss needs to prepare for several different ones, combine that with needing perfect micro to hold and very little such stress on the terran and you got a broken matchup. Combine that with with mules that allow you to macro when pulling ALL your freaking SCV's, who needs zealots right? Also consider, what kind of player decides the last game based on a coinflip build? He simply must've realized Squirtle was the superior player and took a page from the big book of terran cheese. Not to mention that MVP has carpal tunnel syndrome and his APM is lacking, kinda funny how much APM you need to play/cheese as high level terran to beat a far quicker toss. No, you obviously missed the point they were all making. You don't have a very good understanding of the game. The better player doesn't always win, there's a reason it was 3-3, and not 4-0. If squirtle played the last game properly, he would have won. Nestea is relatively slow, and is more successful than most people. Decision making is vastly more important than speed. Now, I'm a toss and zerg player, so I'm not a butthurt terran defending Mvp, you're just not a very good analyst. | ||
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Reval
United States297 Posts
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
On May 20 2012 04:15 Ripebananaa wrote: No, you obviously missed the point they were all making. You don't have a very good understanding of the game. The better player doesn't always win, there's a reason it was 3-3, and not 4-0. If squirtle played the last game properly, he would have won. Nestea is relatively slow, and is more successful than most people. Decision making is vastly more important than speed. Now, I'm a toss and zerg player, so I'm not a butthurt terran defending Mvp, you're just not a very good analyst. Clearly you miss the point I'm making, you don't have a good understanding of the game, you're not a very good analyst, and as someone who plays random I am unbiased. Squirtle would have won if he knew exactly what MVP was doing, which due to the sheer amount of things terran can do is far more difficult to determine then with a zerg or toss. You will always see the 6 pool, and at least the gates become useless after the proxy failed. | ||
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FATJESUSONABIKE
184 Posts
On May 20 2012 03:31 Scootaloo wrote: Good gods I caused a lot of terran butthurt, obviously the point you're all missing, which terrans never consider due to the dangers of bursting bubbles is the vast array builds terran can do, which, with their supreme ability to deny scouting this means a toss needs to prepare for several different ones, combine that with needing perfect micro to hold and very little such stress on the terran and you got a broken matchup. Combine that with with mules that allow you to macro when pulling ALL your freaking SCV's, who needs zealots right? Also consider, what kind of player decides the last game based on a coinflip build? He simply must've realized Squirtle was the superior player and took a page from the big book of terran cheese. Not to mention that MVP has carpal tunnel syndrome and his APM is lacking, kinda funny how much APM you need to play/cheese as high level terran to beat a far quicker toss. Edit: almost forgot, nerfing history, when toss get's nerfed, a upgrade get's completely removed or delayed with 30 sec or so, completely killing a strategy, apart from early game PvZ do you ever see void ray harass anymore? (NOT a vray allin) Or the removal of Kaydarin, only now do we see templar focussed play again, and only for the people confident enougj to take on the micro, as their stupidly slow speed and nonexistant HP without a cheap cloak or burrow makes them sitting ducks. Most of the terran nerfs have been slight tweakings of build times or stats, hellions are still excessively powerful against workers, while the voidray will most likely remain exclusive to zerg earlygame and the occasional all in. 'needing perfect micro' lol, you sir have never played Terran. 'how much APM' lol#2, not like it's plain notorious that T players have the highest average APM. 'removal of Kaydarin' LOL O L O L are you SERIOUSLY discussing that very nerf? fucking amazing. MVP outplayed three StarTale tosses in a row during an all-out toss-favored season, it makes him an ASTONISHING born-winner, and the best sc2 player to date. stop discussing it by bitching about his genius cheese (cause yes, that was a genius cheese), it's disrespectful and stupid. P.S: and LOWL please, you're not playing random. | ||
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