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og8456
Profile Joined May 2012
Korea (South)26 Posts
May 19 2012 11:34 GMT
#241
gg wp MVP!
I still wanted Squirtle to win tho... T.T DAT stalkermicro
my stream: http://ko.twitch.tv/prismccorby/
SEA KarMa
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia452 Posts
May 19 2012 11:36 GMT
#242
On May 19 2012 20:26 SovietBirthday wrote:
Take long break from SC2 to play LoL
"Hey cool GSL finals are on, haven't seen those in awhile"
What do I get? A Terran cheese out a best of 7 comeback with mules and marines.

Suddenly I remember why I don't pay for the GSL anymore.


Its your first post, you play LoL, and you except people to listen to your opinion? gl with that.
"terrible, terrible damage". terrible, terrible design.
alisru
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia22 Posts
May 19 2012 11:37 GMT
#243
anyone else notice its wartartle not squirtle?
OH GOD WHY
sam05396
Profile Joined April 2011
United States783 Posts
May 19 2012 11:37 GMT
#244
gg MVP!!!

come on guys they gave u plenty of great games and cheesing is part of the game too.
You can not tell me that you were not nervous while you were watching that last game.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
May 19 2012 11:38 GMT
#245
On May 19 2012 20:23 DruidzShift wrote:
MVP was my favorite player before this season beacuse of his incredible macro,Now he is just a cheesy player.First NaNi and now Squirtle )=


MVP has been my favorite player since before his carpal tunnel started severely limiting his play. Now I'm 10x more of a fan because he found a way to be the best player in the world despite such a huge disadvantage, and he used it successfully on 3 STQ protosses in a row repeating maps and they still couldn't catch on enough to stop him.
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AlbertHR
Profile Joined June 2011
Indonesia65 Posts
May 19 2012 11:39 GMT
#246


How can you like a player that cheese over a 40 min long epic macro game whit BC,Ghost,MS,Void rays + an epic archon toilet?


How can you don't like the guy,, that is an insane mindgame !! And everyone here has to expect at least 1 cheese from MVP,, he just did it in the final game when it is the least likely time to do it !! even tastosis didn't expect that (even though the last map is Atlantis Spacebear). and that last game was nail bitting right off the bat !!
Playing to get better, Get better to Win !!
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 19 2012 11:39 GMT
#247
GSL Finals now on a good streak of finals.

Jjakji/Leenock - Great
DRG/MMA - Amazing
Genius/DRG - Good/Enjoyable
Squirtle/MVP - Amazing

6, 7, 6, and 7 gamer series for the last four finals. GSL now consistently finally having the highest quality finals by a pretty wide margin.
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FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
May 19 2012 11:39 GMT
#248
On May 19 2012 20:38 Luepert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:23 DruidzShift wrote:
MVP was my favorite player before this season beacuse of his incredible macro,Now he is just a cheesy player.First NaNi and now Squirtle )=


MVP has been my favorite player since before his carpal tunnel started severely limiting his play. Now I'm 10x more of a fan because he found a way to be the best player in the world despite such a huge disadvantage, and he used it successfully on 3 STQ protosses in a row repeating maps and they still couldn't catch on enough to stop him.


very good point. M V P M V P M V P
Random_Guy09
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1010 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#249
On May 19 2012 20:30 Nayas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:26 althaz wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Game 7 was actually AWESOME? Cheese that's really close to working/not working for like three minutes is EXCITING to me, it was exciting in Broodwar and it's exciting in SC2. Would I watch and re-watch the game for the pure skill on display? Of course not, but that doesn't make it any less awesome when watched live (IMO).


Remove mule and think about that game again....


Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses.

The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it.

Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this.
Polygamy
Profile Joined January 2010
Austria1114 Posts
May 19 2012 11:41 GMT
#250
pretty epic.
Shanyo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium70 Posts
May 19 2012 11:42 GMT
#251
I hate it how people talk smack about MVP because he cheesed in the last game. It's just a strategy ...
He gambled and took a risk, but he still won. Don't forget about the other games MVP won with pure macro. He isn't a cheesy player, you just got to have a ton of strategies when you go into a BO7, and it was really dangerous of him to do this one in the last match.

Well played by MVP, too bad for Squirtle since he made an epic comeback. Really enjoyed watching the finals.
I'm all creeped out
FATJESUSONABIKE
Profile Joined November 2011
184 Posts
May 19 2012 11:42 GMT
#252
@Random_Guy09 Or because P is very strongly favored late game and MVP can barely move his wrists anymore?

and aw at his tears during the speech.
how can one dislike MVP. staggering.
Hermanoid
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden213 Posts
May 19 2012 11:42 GMT
#253
Alright, frustration levels dropping, time to just "rejoice in this beautiful game".

gg MVP, good finals, hoping for equal epicness in two months and yet another non-mirror matchup. GSL hwaiting!
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Sleet
Profile Joined January 2011
United States139 Posts
May 19 2012 11:44 GMT
#254
I was so sad at Squirtle's face when he lost I was rooting for him. Protoss needs another GSL winner, and I play zerg.
@SLeetscgames
CrtBalorda
Profile Joined December 2011
Slovenia704 Posts
May 19 2012 11:45 GMT
#255
The game with the battlecrusiors was the sickest game I have ever seen to bad I wont be able to watch it again cuz I cant pay for the GSL,but at least I cought such epicnes live. Was a bit dissapointed at the last game where MVP just cheesed and squirtle cronod probes >.< and lost 2 units but its was still epic non the less. I thought it was really funny how MVP was so happy after that win when squirtle may have won in a straight up game.

Not really deserved I would say by MVP unless he managed to beat squirtle mid or late game.

So when will people know how to hold a 2 rax? Idk.

GG
4th August 2012...Never forget.....
Fenrisulf
Profile Joined August 2010
United States325 Posts
May 19 2012 11:46 GMT
#256
On May 19 2012 20:39 AlbertHR wrote:
Show nested quote +


How can you like a player that cheese over a 40 min long epic macro game whit BC,Ghost,MS,Void rays + an epic archon toilet?


How can you don't like the guy,, that is an insane mindgame !! And everyone here has to expect at least 1 cheese from MVP,, he just did it in the final game when it is the least likely time to do it !! even tastosis didn't expect that (even though the last map is Atlantis Spacebear). and that last game was nail bitting right off the bat !!


its not about that. He had balls to do it on the final game, but squirtle was prepared for it. There is no doubt that with the last map being Atlantis, and after 6 long games, he/his teammates would have predicted a highly possible cheese. He scouted MVP's base, and defended properly but then due to a few small mistakes he lost to an all-in he had already defended. It was a disappointing last game for so many people because Squirtle was making the comeback of the century, back from a 0-3 deficit against MV fucking P on the biggest starcraft stage there is. AND he holds the first wave of an all-in only to fall to all-in number 2.

The cheese was not unstoppable. It was not unpredictable.
People are disappointed and mad not because of that, but because Squirtle reacted so well, and 1 small mistake in the moment of victory crushed such an amazing comeback and an amazing season for him.
Balinek
Profile Joined February 2012
Poland15 Posts
May 19 2012 11:48 GMT
#257
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:30 Nayas wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 althaz wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Game 7 was actually AWESOME? Cheese that's really close to working/not working for like three minutes is EXCITING to me, it was exciting in Broodwar and it's exciting in SC2. Would I watch and re-watch the game for the pure skill on display? Of course not, but that doesn't make it any less awesome when watched live (IMO).


Remove mule and think about that game again....


Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses.

The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it.

Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this.


Remove marines and guess who will win?

This cheese from MVP was amazing, I'd personally liked it a lot, don't understand why U people are so attached to this 35 minutes games from which 25 minutes is just boring macro and macro and 10 minutes is fun. This last game was non stop excitement!
MintPanda
Profile Joined March 2012
United Kingdom19 Posts
May 19 2012 11:53 GMT
#258
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:30 Nayas wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 althaz wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Game 7 was actually AWESOME? Cheese that's really close to working/not working for like three minutes is EXCITING to me, it was exciting in Broodwar and it's exciting in SC2. Would I watch and re-watch the game for the pure skill on display? Of course not, but that doesn't make it any less awesome when watched live (IMO).


Remove mule and think about that game again....


Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses.

The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it.

Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this.


And lose $30,000? Put yourself in his damn shoes. He lost some tough games and atlantis spaceship is EXTREMELY protoss favoured thanks to it being a huge map like cloud kingdom. Seriously, at one point squirtle had ALREADY defended it and should have easily won the game from there, but he fumbled and lost his stalkers and threw the game. Squirtle didn't deserve to win it after that sloppy play, just like MVP didn't deserve to win game 6 with such a desperate all-in attempt.

You don't have to watch the game, it's easy for you to say "keep your honour" and all other bullshit like that when it's actually a much huger coin-toss for terran since a 9 probe scout and half-decent micro and crisis-management should clean up that kind of cheese. Maybe one day when you've got a difference between earning 50k and 20k knowing it's going to be hard to play out a build you prepared (siege tank rax which is already a pretty risky style) which got trashed the last game you'll realize what it means to do what it takes to win, even if it takes a coin-toss.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1934 Posts
May 19 2012 11:53 GMT
#259
On May 19 2012 20:41 Random_Guy09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2012 20:30 Nayas wrote:
On May 19 2012 20:26 althaz wrote:
Am I the only one who thought Game 7 was actually AWESOME? Cheese that's really close to working/not working for like three minutes is EXCITING to me, it was exciting in Broodwar and it's exciting in SC2. Would I watch and re-watch the game for the pure skill on display? Of course not, but that doesn't make it any less awesome when watched live (IMO).


Remove mule and think about that game again....


Yep remove that mule and Squirtle wins. Sad how the series went out.. Who really cares if you know the map is bad for the match up, suck it up and play out the game and make it a good final and show your better by forgetting about the little map advantages. Prove that those factors dont matter and that your the better player that doesnt need those kind of excuses.

The only game out of this year in any tournament that I'd rewatch that had something like that happen was HuK vs Naniwa at MLG. Because that game actually showed talent from both players. This 7th game on the other hand seems to make it look like MVP was scared to face Squirtle in a straight up macro game again "because the map is better for protoss". If thats the excuse to cheese then its a tainted win and you just look bad for it.

Naniwa cheeses in a meaningless game. MVP goes on and cheeses cause of some disadvantage to his race on a certain map and there will be no reprocussions for it. Could have been an all round good series for a Final but it had to end like this.


Remove mules and there would be 0 terrans in gsl.
I think the point of the game is to win, and if you have a severe wrist disability that limits you, sometimes the only way to win is to play quicker games. Think about it, Squirtle does not have a wrist condition, so he can choose to cheese or not to whenever he wants, MVP sometimes has to, that's not good.
Comparing Naniwa cheese to this is so fucking retarded serriously
1. Naniwa was 0-3 with no chance of advancing. MVP was 3-3 with good chance of winning.
2. Naniwa left the game b/c it failed. MVP's failed, but he kept trying, obviously he actually wanted to win, MVP didn't cheese in game 7 because he wanted to go home and the game didn't mean anything.
Those games are as far apart as is possible in any way. Naniwa's was the most meaningless game in gsl history, MVP's was the most meaningful game in gsl. Also look at it, MVP 1 rax expod 5/7games, that's a very economic record, he only cheesed b/c he knew it would be a good mindgame, that's what separates good players from great players, quick calls on mind games. Also you think he should not cheese just because "the map is better for protoss." Well yeah, thats like accusing someone of being a cheeser for 4-gating on Tal'darim. Newsflash, some maps are better for certain strats, and some strats will give you an advantage if you play them at a certain point in a best of 7. MVP knows this b/c he's been in 5 best of 7's and has it all worked out. If you really can't recognize the strategic genius behind MVP's cheese an think it's like Naniwa's proberush, please leave.
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StayPhrosty
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada406 Posts
May 19 2012 11:54 GMT
#260
On May 19 2012 20:42 Shanyo wrote:
I hate it how people talk smack about MVP because he cheesed in the last game. It's just a strategy ...
He gambled and took a risk, but he still won. Don't forget about the other games MVP won with pure macro. He isn't a cheesy player, you just got to have a ton of strategies when you go into a BO7, and it was really dangerous of him to do this one in the last match.

Well played by MVP, too bad for Squirtle since he made an epic comeback. Really enjoyed watching the finals.


this. this sooo much. cheese WON THE GSL GRAND FINALS. literally the BEST players in the WORLD played with/against cheese. when will people stop discounting cheese as 'not a deserved win'. these were some of the best games of starcraft i have ever seen in 10 years of watching this game. how can people be so ignorant as to call it 'luck'. this was the highest level of pure skill imaginable and i could not hope for anything better. just because it does not fit your imaginary 'standard' gameplay, does not mean the goal of the game is not to defeat your opponent. Grats to MVP and although it is too bad squirtle didn't win with such a comeback, the fact is he made a HUGE impression and got second place which is in itself quite an accomplishment. amazing finals, awesome casters, and really a great night for e-sports. gg :D
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