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Interesting, definitely want to see current top SC2 players vs BW A-teamers at the end of the year!
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So, when are we gonna get the interviews?
On May 03 2012 02:49 Sum41 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 01:45 BlueFlames wrote:On May 03 2012 00:29 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 00:08 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 23:56 Sum41 wrote:this is a shit, they change broodwar for a inferior game just because of the $$, don't matter what you say, starcraft broodwar is much better. and Sc2 will never be as good as BW, won't last for so long, and as well as BW did This are good games, not like the boring stuff from Sc2!, watch it and learn what's really awesome. nothing in Sc2 will be compared to the feeling that bring this game, or The Jangbi vs Fantasy finals, Jaedong vs Stork in The OSL Ever Finals, etc. While i agree with the elitism of BW, it being a harder or more complex game and it being a better candidate for esports, in terms of technology it is simply outdated. Unfortunately the game uses technology that is 15 years old. When technology ages someone else develops a new version to replace it. Again, unfortunately, that is the case here: A large portion of why BW is being made redundant is because the technology is so outdated. the only thing that the technology has done is give better graphic to Sc2, in all the other aspects BW is superior. and play a game just for the graphics is like watch a porn movie for the argument -_-; that's why it's reatarded to kill BW, for a dumb game like SC2 Bad comparison. You could compare old graphics with porn, but you would have to compare VHS vs Blueray or something. Also i personally dont agree that BW is the better game. Thats just my opinion though. On topic. I really hope that the speculations about the old bw players and the sc2 players beeing able to participate in any league comes true. I want to see the best players to compete in all tournaments they chose to do so. I dont want to see a division or something even more stupid. For me its a good sign that all the parties seem to be talking and that Kespa seems to try a global approach with SC2. Now all i need is LAN Blizzard. Your stupid excuses fool noone! if you think that SC broodwar isn't a better game, then you don't know anything about broodwar. it's much more strategic, it's more complex, requires more skill. i think that you have never played Broodwar, people that hasn't played it, or don't know too much about it, doesn't know how deep the gameplay is. And SC2 has been made to casual players, you don't need great skill to play it at a decent level, or lot of knowledge to be good
I know you're mad, but you can stop it now. We're not getting anything from your argument other than you shitting on SC2.
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On May 03 2012 03:11 howLiN wrote:So, when are we gonna get the interviews? Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 02:49 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 01:45 BlueFlames wrote:On May 03 2012 00:29 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 00:08 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 23:56 Sum41 wrote:this is a shit, they change broodwar for a inferior game just because of the $$, don't matter what you say, starcraft broodwar is much better. and Sc2 will never be as good as BW, won't last for so long, and as well as BW did This are good games, not like the boring stuff from Sc2!, watch it and learn what's really awesome. nothing in Sc2 will be compared to the feeling that bring this game, or The Jangbi vs Fantasy finals, Jaedong vs Stork in The OSL Ever Finals, etc. While i agree with the elitism of BW, it being a harder or more complex game and it being a better candidate for esports, in terms of technology it is simply outdated. Unfortunately the game uses technology that is 15 years old. When technology ages someone else develops a new version to replace it. Again, unfortunately, that is the case here: A large portion of why BW is being made redundant is because the technology is so outdated. the only thing that the technology has done is give better graphic to Sc2, in all the other aspects BW is superior. and play a game just for the graphics is like watch a porn movie for the argument -_-; that's why it's reatarded to kill BW, for a dumb game like SC2 Bad comparison. You could compare old graphics with porn, but you would have to compare VHS vs Blueray or something. Also i personally dont agree that BW is the better game. Thats just my opinion though. On topic. I really hope that the speculations about the old bw players and the sc2 players beeing able to participate in any league comes true. I want to see the best players to compete in all tournaments they chose to do so. I dont want to see a division or something even more stupid. For me its a good sign that all the parties seem to be talking and that Kespa seems to try a global approach with SC2. Now all i need is LAN Blizzard. Your stupid excuses fool noone! if you think that SC broodwar isn't a better game, then you don't know anything about broodwar. it's much more strategic, it's more complex, requires more skill. i think that you have never played Broodwar, people that hasn't played it, or don't know too much about it, doesn't know how deep the gameplay is. And SC2 has been made to casual players, you don't need great skill to play it at a decent level, or lot of knowledge to be good I know you're mad, but you can stop it now. We're not getting anything from your argument other than you shitting on SC2.
it's not shitting, what i say are just facts
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On May 03 2012 03:26 Sum41 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:11 howLiN wrote:So, when are we gonna get the interviews? On May 03 2012 02:49 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 01:45 BlueFlames wrote:On May 03 2012 00:29 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 00:08 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 23:56 Sum41 wrote:this is a shit, they change broodwar for a inferior game just because of the $$, don't matter what you say, starcraft broodwar is much better. and Sc2 will never be as good as BW, won't last for so long, and as well as BW did This are good games, not like the boring stuff from Sc2!, watch it and learn what's really awesome. nothing in Sc2 will be compared to the feeling that bring this game, or The Jangbi vs Fantasy finals, Jaedong vs Stork in The OSL Ever Finals, etc. While i agree with the elitism of BW, it being a harder or more complex game and it being a better candidate for esports, in terms of technology it is simply outdated. Unfortunately the game uses technology that is 15 years old. When technology ages someone else develops a new version to replace it. Again, unfortunately, that is the case here: A large portion of why BW is being made redundant is because the technology is so outdated. the only thing that the technology has done is give better graphic to Sc2, in all the other aspects BW is superior. and play a game just for the graphics is like watch a porn movie for the argument -_-; that's why it's reatarded to kill BW, for a dumb game like SC2 Bad comparison. You could compare old graphics with porn, but you would have to compare VHS vs Blueray or something. Also i personally dont agree that BW is the better game. Thats just my opinion though. On topic. I really hope that the speculations about the old bw players and the sc2 players beeing able to participate in any league comes true. I want to see the best players to compete in all tournaments they chose to do so. I dont want to see a division or something even more stupid. For me its a good sign that all the parties seem to be talking and that Kespa seems to try a global approach with SC2. Now all i need is LAN Blizzard. Your stupid excuses fool noone! if you think that SC broodwar isn't a better game, then you don't know anything about broodwar. it's much more strategic, it's more complex, requires more skill. i think that you have never played Broodwar, people that hasn't played it, or don't know too much about it, doesn't know how deep the gameplay is. And SC2 has been made to casual players, you don't need great skill to play it at a decent level, or lot of knowledge to be good I know you're mad, but you can stop it now. We're not getting anything from your argument other than you shitting on SC2. it's not shitting, what i say are just facts
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It ironic that BW is better suited in every single way to being a competitive game apart from the whole flashy graphics thing. Even then with BW's clean, clear and distinctive style, it could be argued that it is a better game for broadcast.
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On May 03 2012 03:11 howLiN wrote:So, when are we gonna get the interviews? Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 02:49 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 01:45 BlueFlames wrote:On May 03 2012 00:29 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 00:08 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 23:56 Sum41 wrote:this is a shit, they change broodwar for a inferior game just because of the $$, don't matter what you say, starcraft broodwar is much better. and Sc2 will never be as good as BW, won't last for so long, and as well as BW did This are good games, not like the boring stuff from Sc2!, watch it and learn what's really awesome. nothing in Sc2 will be compared to the feeling that bring this game, or The Jangbi vs Fantasy finals, Jaedong vs Stork in The OSL Ever Finals, etc. While i agree with the elitism of BW, it being a harder or more complex game and it being a better candidate for esports, in terms of technology it is simply outdated. Unfortunately the game uses technology that is 15 years old. When technology ages someone else develops a new version to replace it. Again, unfortunately, that is the case here: A large portion of why BW is being made redundant is because the technology is so outdated. the only thing that the technology has done is give better graphic to Sc2, in all the other aspects BW is superior. and play a game just for the graphics is like watch a porn movie for the argument -_-; that's why it's reatarded to kill BW, for a dumb game like SC2 Bad comparison. You could compare old graphics with porn, but you would have to compare VHS vs Blueray or something. Also i personally dont agree that BW is the better game. Thats just my opinion though. On topic. I really hope that the speculations about the old bw players and the sc2 players beeing able to participate in any league comes true. I want to see the best players to compete in all tournaments they chose to do so. I dont want to see a division or something even more stupid. For me its a good sign that all the parties seem to be talking and that Kespa seems to try a global approach with SC2. Now all i need is LAN Blizzard. Your stupid excuses fool noone! if you think that SC broodwar isn't a better game, then you don't know anything about broodwar. it's much more strategic, it's more complex, requires more skill. i think that you have never played Broodwar, people that hasn't played it, or don't know too much about it, doesn't know how deep the gameplay is. And SC2 has been made to casual players, you don't need great skill to play it at a decent level, or lot of knowledge to be good I know you're mad, but you can stop it now. We're not getting anything from your argument other than you shitting on SC2.
What he's saying isn't actually incorrect. As it stands Brood War is a much more strategic game due to a lot of different factors, in particular because of how better your mechanics have to be, but also because it's had more than 10 years to develop.
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On May 03 2012 03:30 [17]Purple wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:26 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 03:11 howLiN wrote:So, when are we gonna get the interviews? On May 03 2012 02:49 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 01:45 BlueFlames wrote:On May 03 2012 00:29 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 00:08 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 23:56 Sum41 wrote:this is a shit, they change broodwar for a inferior game just because of the $$, don't matter what you say, starcraft broodwar is much better. and Sc2 will never be as good as BW, won't last for so long, and as well as BW did This are good games, not like the boring stuff from Sc2!, watch it and learn what's really awesome. nothing in Sc2 will be compared to the feeling that bring this game, or The Jangbi vs Fantasy finals, Jaedong vs Stork in The OSL Ever Finals, etc. While i agree with the elitism of BW, it being a harder or more complex game and it being a better candidate for esports, in terms of technology it is simply outdated. Unfortunately the game uses technology that is 15 years old. When technology ages someone else develops a new version to replace it. Again, unfortunately, that is the case here: A large portion of why BW is being made redundant is because the technology is so outdated. the only thing that the technology has done is give better graphic to Sc2, in all the other aspects BW is superior. and play a game just for the graphics is like watch a porn movie for the argument -_-; that's why it's reatarded to kill BW, for a dumb game like SC2 Bad comparison. You could compare old graphics with porn, but you would have to compare VHS vs Blueray or something. Also i personally dont agree that BW is the better game. Thats just my opinion though. On topic. I really hope that the speculations about the old bw players and the sc2 players beeing able to participate in any league comes true. I want to see the best players to compete in all tournaments they chose to do so. I dont want to see a division or something even more stupid. For me its a good sign that all the parties seem to be talking and that Kespa seems to try a global approach with SC2. Now all i need is LAN Blizzard. Your stupid excuses fool noone! if you think that SC broodwar isn't a better game, then you don't know anything about broodwar. it's much more strategic, it's more complex, requires more skill. i think that you have never played Broodwar, people that hasn't played it, or don't know too much about it, doesn't know how deep the gameplay is. And SC2 has been made to casual players, you don't need great skill to play it at a decent level, or lot of knowledge to be good I know you're mad, but you can stop it now. We're not getting anything from your argument other than you shitting on SC2. it's not shitting, what i say are just facts That are not constructive
if the facts are not constructive isn't for my fault, it's the faults of the people that have replace a better game for a thing that looks better, and nothing more. and if the people from sc2 doesn't like the fact that the game which they play is inferior to broodwar isn't my fault too. what i have typed it's just to free the people from the ignorance, they think that sc2 it's better, more strategic or something like that, but it isn't.
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On May 03 2012 03:37 Sum41 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:30 [17]Purple wrote:On May 03 2012 03:26 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 03:11 howLiN wrote:So, when are we gonna get the interviews? On May 03 2012 02:49 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 01:45 BlueFlames wrote:On May 03 2012 00:29 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 00:08 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 23:56 Sum41 wrote:this is a shit, they change broodwar for a inferior game just because of the $$, don't matter what you say, starcraft broodwar is much better. and Sc2 will never be as good as BW, won't last for so long, and as well as BW did This are good games, not like the boring stuff from Sc2!, watch it and learn what's really awesome. nothing in Sc2 will be compared to the feeling that bring this game, or The Jangbi vs Fantasy finals, Jaedong vs Stork in The OSL Ever Finals, etc. While i agree with the elitism of BW, it being a harder or more complex game and it being a better candidate for esports, in terms of technology it is simply outdated. Unfortunately the game uses technology that is 15 years old. When technology ages someone else develops a new version to replace it. Again, unfortunately, that is the case here: A large portion of why BW is being made redundant is because the technology is so outdated. the only thing that the technology has done is give better graphic to Sc2, in all the other aspects BW is superior. and play a game just for the graphics is like watch a porn movie for the argument -_-; that's why it's reatarded to kill BW, for a dumb game like SC2 Bad comparison. You could compare old graphics with porn, but you would have to compare VHS vs Blueray or something. Also i personally dont agree that BW is the better game. Thats just my opinion though. On topic. I really hope that the speculations about the old bw players and the sc2 players beeing able to participate in any league comes true. I want to see the best players to compete in all tournaments they chose to do so. I dont want to see a division or something even more stupid. For me its a good sign that all the parties seem to be talking and that Kespa seems to try a global approach with SC2. Now all i need is LAN Blizzard. Your stupid excuses fool noone! if you think that SC broodwar isn't a better game, then you don't know anything about broodwar. it's much more strategic, it's more complex, requires more skill. i think that you have never played Broodwar, people that hasn't played it, or don't know too much about it, doesn't know how deep the gameplay is. And SC2 has been made to casual players, you don't need great skill to play it at a decent level, or lot of knowledge to be good I know you're mad, but you can stop it now. We're not getting anything from your argument other than you shitting on SC2. it's not shitting, what i say are just facts That are not constructive if the facts are not constructive isn't for my fault, it's the faults of the people that have replace a better game for a thing that looks better, and nothing more. and if the people from sc2 that doesn't like the fact that the game which they play is inferior to broodwar isn't my fault too. what i have typed it's just to free the people from the ignorance, they think that sc2 it's better, more strategic or something like that, but it isn't.
tbh if you look at it closely, LoL is actually replacing BW, its the game the Koreans want to see played. SC2 is being imposed on them as far as I can see.
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Sum41, you are literally just claiming BW is better and shutting down all arguments contrary. Give facts. BW is a harder game but that doesn't make it a better game. Give SC2 time and it will evolve. People seem to forget that BW has been running for over a decade.
Also, in regards to a higher mechanical skillcap: Yeah that's true, but that isn't an issue until SC2 players hit the skillcap reliably. I have yet to see someone play perfectly every time. Micro is still tough even for the best players in the world. Plus, mostly even footing on a mechanical point of view really just leaves the game up to the decision making of the player, which, IMO, is better.
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On May 03 2012 03:31 Shrewmy wrote:
As it stands Brood War is a much more strategic game due to a lot of different factors, in particular because of how better your mechanics have to be.
i do not understand... i am willing to value BW higher than sc2 in terms of strategic value because of the game design, but not because the game is harder to control (following that logic chess would not be strategy, because mechanics are nonexistant)
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Oh hey guess what I found out about SC2.......it is not BW!!!!!! Is this game called SC2 BW? or BW2? Nope! Different game is different!!! No way!!!!
If you cannot accept it, and the changes it has, then stick to BW, easy as that.
And if people finds it so easy, try to become a pro at it or at least get to Master league in two months if you claim it is sooo easy.
What I learned a while ago: not everyone can accept change or has an easy time adapting to a change.
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On May 03 2012 03:51 Naphal wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:31 Shrewmy wrote:
As it stands Brood War is a much more strategic game due to a lot of different factors, in particular because of how better your mechanics have to be. i do not understand... i am willing to value BW higher than sc2 in terms of strategic value because of the game design, but not because the game is harder to control (following that logic chess would not be strategy, because mechanics are nonexistant)
The mechanical difficulty has allowed the best players to display tactics and strategy that lesser pro-gamers where simply incapable of or unable to prepare for. Additionally it adds to the ability for these mechanically superior players to make comebacks without enormous mistakes from the opponent.
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when are these interviews going to come out???????
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On May 03 2012 03:57 Bareleon wrote:
Oh hey guess what I found out about SC2.......it is not BW!!!!!! Is this game called SC2 BW? or BW2? Nope! Different game is different!!! No way!!!!
If you cannot accept it, and the changes it has, then stick to BW, easy as that.
And if people finds it so easy, try to become a pro at it or at least get to Master league in two months if you claim it is sooo easy.
What I learned a while ago: not everyone can accept change or has an easy time adapting to a change.
Of course Star 2 isn't Brood War, its a game that carries the same name, with similar units, that look prettier.
Most of us will stick to BW, thanks for that.
Master league in two months? We're mostly complete scrubs at BW, at Star2 I ended up getting high plat/diamond when I played like a year ago
Of course we can't accept change, BW is, and always will be, what I looked forward too after a long day at school, my dad would always watch with me and we'd play some games together after the matches were done.
Brood War is something I've played off and on, but have followed for ages.
Brood War isn't just a hobby, nor is it just "another game," It's been the last decade of my life.
And I have last thing to say. + Show Spoiler +Fuck eSports or ESPORT or esport.
There wouldnt' be an "Esports" without Brood War, be thankful. There wouldn't be all of these sponserships or tournaments or what not.
Be greatful.
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As it stands Brood War is a much more strategic game due to a lot of different factors, in particular because of how better your mechanics have to be.
Not great logic imho. But to each his own.
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On May 03 2012 02:49 Sum41 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 01:45 BlueFlames wrote:On May 03 2012 00:29 Sum41 wrote:On May 03 2012 00:08 SC_Ghost wrote:On May 02 2012 23:56 Sum41 wrote:this is a shit, they change broodwar for a inferior game just because of the $$, don't matter what you say, starcraft broodwar is much better. and Sc2 will never be as good as BW, won't last for so long, and as well as BW did This are good games, not like the boring stuff from Sc2!, watch it and learn what's really awesome. nothing in Sc2 will be compared to the feeling that bring this game, or The Jangbi vs Fantasy finals, Jaedong vs Stork in The OSL Ever Finals, etc. While i agree with the elitism of BW, it being a harder or more complex game and it being a better candidate for esports, in terms of technology it is simply outdated. Unfortunately the game uses technology that is 15 years old. When technology ages someone else develops a new version to replace it. Again, unfortunately, that is the case here: A large portion of why BW is being made redundant is because the technology is so outdated. the only thing that the technology has done is give better graphic to Sc2, in all the other aspects BW is superior. and play a game just for the graphics is like watch a porn movie for the argument -_-; that's why it's reatarded to kill BW, for a dumb game like SC2 Bad comparison. You could compare old graphics with porn, but you would have to compare VHS vs Blueray or something. Also i personally dont agree that BW is the better game. Thats just my opinion though. On topic. I really hope that the speculations about the old bw players and the sc2 players beeing able to participate in any league comes true. I want to see the best players to compete in all tournaments they chose to do so. I dont want to see a division or something even more stupid. For me its a good sign that all the parties seem to be talking and that Kespa seems to try a global approach with SC2. Now all i need is LAN Blizzard. Your stupid excuses fool noone! if you think that SC broodwar isn't a better game, then you don't know anything about broodwar. it's much more strategic, it's more complex, requires more skill. i think that you have never played Broodwar, people that hasn't played it, or don't know too much about it, doesn't know how deep the gameplay is. And SC2 has been made to casual players, you don't need great skill to play it at a decent level, or lot of knowledge to be good
God forbid a game is actually played by people not willing to spend +10 hours a day playing it.
You sound exactly like the people saying vanilla WoW was meant to be hardcore and all that.
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On May 03 2012 04:18 X10A wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:57 Bareleon wrote:
Oh hey guess what I found out about SC2.......it is not BW!!!!!! Is this game called SC2 BW? or BW2? Nope! Different game is different!!! No way!!!!
If you cannot accept it, and the changes it has, then stick to BW, easy as that.
And if people finds it so easy, try to become a pro at it or at least get to Master league in two months if you claim it is sooo easy.
What I learned a while ago: not everyone can accept change or has an easy time adapting to a change. Of course Star 2 isn't Brood War, its a game that carries the same name, with similar units, that look prettier. Most of us will stick to BW, thanks for that. Master league in two months? We're mostly complete scrubs at BW, at Star2 I ended up getting high plat/diamond when I played like a year ago Of course we can't accept change, BW is, and always will be, what I looked forward too after a long day at school, my dad would always watch with me and we'd play some games together after the matches were done. Brood War is something I've played off and on, but have followed for ages. Brood War isn't just a hobby, nor is it just "another game," It's been the last decade of my life. And I have last thing to say. + Show Spoiler +Fuck eSports or ESPORT or esport. There wouldnt' be an "Esports" without Brood War, be thankful. There wouldn't be all of these sponserships or tournaments or what not. Be greatful.
Just want to say that A) Plat/Diamond is incredibly scrubby and B) The games aren't similar at all really.
Other than that continue to cry about how esports is an awful thing now that BW isn't a part of it. Sad I know, but doesn't mean you can shit on the rest of esports which certainly isn't limited to nor based on BW.
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On May 03 2012 04:18 X10A wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 03:57 Bareleon wrote:
Oh hey guess what I found out about SC2.......it is not BW!!!!!! Is this game called SC2 BW? or BW2? Nope! Different game is different!!! No way!!!!
If you cannot accept it, and the changes it has, then stick to BW, easy as that.
And if people finds it so easy, try to become a pro at it or at least get to Master league in two months if you claim it is sooo easy.
What I learned a while ago: not everyone can accept change or has an easy time adapting to a change. Of course Star 2 isn't Brood War, its a game that carries the same name, with similar units, that look prettier. Most of us will stick to BW, thanks for that. Master league in two months? We're mostly complete scrubs at BW, at Star2 I ended up getting high plat/diamond when I played like a year ago Of course we can't accept change, BW is, and always will be, what I looked forward too after a long day at school, my dad would always watch with me and we'd play some games together after the matches were done. Brood War is something I've played off and on, but have followed for ages. Brood War isn't just a hobby, nor is it just "another game," It's been the last decade of my life. And I have last thing to say. + Show Spoiler +Fuck eSports or ESPORT or esport. , be thankful. There wouldn't be all of these sponserships or tournaments or what not. Be greatful.
Quake begs to differ.
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On May 03 2012 04:23 Serek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2012 04:18 X10A wrote:On May 03 2012 03:57 Bareleon wrote:
Oh hey guess what I found out about SC2.......it is not BW!!!!!! Is this game called SC2 BW? or BW2? Nope! Different game is different!!! No way!!!!
If you cannot accept it, and the changes it has, then stick to BW, easy as that.
And if people finds it so easy, try to become a pro at it or at least get to Master league in two months if you claim it is sooo easy.
What I learned a while ago: not everyone can accept change or has an easy time adapting to a change. Of course Star 2 isn't Brood War, its a game that carries the same name, with similar units, that look prettier. Most of us will stick to BW, thanks for that. Master league in two months? We're mostly complete scrubs at BW, at Star2 I ended up getting high plat/diamond when I played like a year ago Of course we can't accept change, BW is, and always will be, what I looked forward too after a long day at school, my dad would always watch with me and we'd play some games together after the matches were done. Brood War is something I've played off and on, but have followed for ages. Brood War isn't just a hobby, nor is it just "another game," It's been the last decade of my life. And I have last thing to say. + Show Spoiler +Fuck eSports or ESPORT or esport. , be thankful. There wouldn't be all of these sponserships or tournaments or what not. Be greatful. Quake begs to differ.
Quake, Counter-Strike, Chinese DOTA and (although hostile to the semantic traps that the word esports presents) Fighting games all beg to differ. I love BW but the elitism from said community is disgusting sometimes.
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