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ASUS ROG - Assembly Summer 2011 Aftermath

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August 16th, 2011 08:32 GMT
Grnp's Tournament Wrap Up - Official Replay Pack

Whew! I'm back from the Assembly Summer ASUS ROG Tournament, and what a trip it was!

First off, congratulations to mTw.Dimaga on his championship! Despite being recognized as one of the world's best players since the beta, this was his very first championship at a major live tournament. As a lot of people have seen now through videos and pictures, he was extremely happy to win.
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[image loading]ASUS ROG Assembly Summer

Chatting with mTw.DIMAGA

Stephano vs Brat_OK:
Sportsmanship


Photographs & Videos

The replay pack is out now, so definitely check it out!

Overall, it was a pretty cool event to attend live. The tournament area was good for players, though there were a few minor problems like the A/C being too cold (and I'm from Sweden!), and the desks being slightly cramped for certain mouse-keyboard setups.

It was a nice environment for the audience as well, as you could see all the players screens from the crowd area even though there was the (much needed) seperation between player and crowd. However, it was a bit disappointing that the tournament area couldn't have been any bigger, though the organizers did the best with the section of the floor they were given. It just seems that a tournament with so many high level players and so much prize money should have had a bigger venue. The place held about 100 people, and was almost always packed. Not that I am complaining about my personal viewing experience, which was great!

The finals were played on the main stage in front of a huge LAN area with thousands of people. A lot of them were just on their computers playing other games or doing something else, but anyone who looked up could catch a high quality Starcraft II match.

The best series of the tournament was definitely the Stephano vs Dimaga semi-final series, which was better than even the exciting comeback finals. It really showed what's possible in ZvZ when two great players face each other, and I think that it will have made ZvZ some people's favorite matchup. Especially when you think about what's going on in TvT and PvP these days.

In other news, everyone was surprised to see Nada dropping so many games to foreigners, eventually being eliminated by Mana. Surprised, and excited! The crowd always gave it up when someone beat Nada. It's nothing against Nada personally, but everyone outside Korea just wants to see foreigners do well against Koreans.

In summary, a great tournament. A long deserving veteran finally got his championship, while up and coming players got to prove themselves to a big audience. Couldn't ask for much more.


mTw.DIMAGA mini-Interview

By: WaxAngel


A week after Assembly, I caught up with Dimaga for a brief chat session before he departed for Gamescom. Due to the nature of the conversation, it's mostly unedited.

[image loading]You've always been considered one of the best players since Beta, but didn't have a championship at a big live event until Assembly. How did you feel after you won?

I'm so happy it's hard to describe this feeling . It's just all good feeling in one time

What was going through your mind when you were down 0-2 in the finals? What did you do mentally to come back and win 3-2?

I just think about next map and next game. Cause if you start think about something else it will be bad for you.

Did it help a lot that some of your fellow Ukrainians were at the tournament to talk to?

Yea sure but when you sitting at huge stage you need to think only about game ^^. I want to say its all about yourself. It's you playing not someone else . But sure after games and before game we make some jokes and its pretty nice

In the semi-finals, Stephano used some interesting rush strategies against you. Were you surprised?

Not really cause he used it before our match versus Sen.

How do you feel about being only Zerg to beat Nestea in ZvZ on TV?

:D:D:D im really proud of it

Ukraine vs Sweden, 5v5 GSTL style. Who wins, what score?

Ohhhh very very hard question cause i think Sweden and Ukraine 2 the best team right now in Europe .

If you you had to pick one?

Sure Ukraine :D:D:D

You all kill?

Easy xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

A lot of American fans would love to see you live, do you plan to do MLG this year, or maybe next?

I'm not sure about MLG tt maybe some another tourney

Not many other live tourneys, besides maybe NASL or TSL final (*crosses fingers*)?

Yeap i will try to do both or all 3 :D

Any last comments, shout outs, or thank yous?

Yea sure want to thx to me team mTw for supporting me and to all our sponsors. And sure to all Fans of StarCraft2 keep cheering for this game !!!!

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On Sportsmanship

by: WaxAngel

Introduction for those of you who don't know the story: Brat_OK and Stephano had been placed into the same RO32 group, and had both confirmed their RO16 tournament qualification at 2-0 each. Going into their final group game against each other, there was nothing to play for except for 1st/2nd place.

However, instead of being a random draw, the RO16 tournament bracket at Assembly was arranged so that players from predetermined groups would face each other in the RO16. For Stephano and Brat_OK in Group F (Stephano, Brat_OK, biGs, Satiinni) that meant taking on Group C (Naama, Sen, Sarens, Protosser). In addition, the groups were not even played at the same time, with Group C's #1 and #2 being determined as Sarens and Sen respectively, far before Group F even began.

The result was that Brat_OK and Stephano ended up actually trying to lose against each other in their series, so as to avoid Sen in the RO16. They achieved this through the use of ridiculous tactics, which grew even more absurd when they realized that they both had the same plan in mind. Eventually, Brat_OK "lost" the series because he happened to leave the game faster in the deciding game.


Outside the games themselves, the biggest subplot of the weekend was the Stephano vs Brat_OK game-throwing incident. It's a complicated topic to talk about, and one that deserves more than a simple treatment here. But there are a few short things I would like to say. Keep in mind, these are purely my opinions.

There is no question that it was unprofessional and in poor sportsmanship for Brat_OK and Stephano to play extremely poorly with the intention to lose. There is no question that it was incompetent of the tournament organizers for not planning for this easily avoidable situation, and morally dubious that they did not punish the players involved. However, I think that the blame on parties can be shifted to some degree.

Professionalism and sportsmanship are ideals everyone would like to aspire to, but sadly ideals don't put food on the table. Sure, ESPORTS still shows signs of its amateur, fraternal roots, as in the case of Gimix at MLG Anaheim. On the other hand, you can't help but feel that ESPORTS is hurtling headlong towards being ruled by ruthless capitalism, just like every other sport that has money in it. I've yet to see a tournament with a sportsmanship prize (worth more than a pittance), while character is usually the least influential factor when a team decides a player's salary. Neither player, nor team, nor tournament is intrinsically drawn to following loftier ideas.

In the end, it falls to the fans. As the end consumers of ESPORTS, the fans can ultimately decide what the producers - the players, the teams, and the organizers - consider to be important. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), the minor commotion at Assembly speaks to the largely indifferent attitude of the fan community. Obviously we care enough about something as major as the Brood War match fixing scandal that GomTV feels compelled to uphold a ban upon them.

But the Combat-Ex's of the world go untouched, SelecT is free to rush battlecruisers in a much anticipated match with MC after clinching a grand final berth, and Stephano can go offensive hatchery in a tournament game. There are a few voices of outrage, but overall, the reaction seems to be a resoundingly apathetic "Meh."

So, there's where we're at.

Where should we take it from here?



Thanks to Bumblebee, Jimlloyd, and Nazgul for discussing this matter with me and giving me more perspectives.


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Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 08:42:41
August 16 2011 08:38 GMT
#2
Dimaga tottaly deserved to win, people said he was fading away he proved them wrong

I started to wonder what happend, about time for a nice write up <3 read it all im a fast reader
Would of love to see Combat Ex cheating in this tournament lol :D
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pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
August 16 2011 08:38 GMT
#3
Dimaga deserved that win, because he played extremely well, and as always TL has an amazing wrap-up of the tourney.
TOCHMY
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden1692 Posts
August 16 2011 08:39 GMT
#4
soo many pictures O.O Great article. Brat_OK vs Stephano was pretty hilarious imo ;D
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4866 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 08:42:16
August 16 2011 08:40 GMT
#5
The individual tournys should decide on such rules, as GOM has done. Unless we want to go bigger, like most professional sports leagues... but that could be a ways away. Not saying it's better for Esports in terms of growth (I think it might hurt it?), but...
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
August 16 2011 08:40 GMT
#6
Great write-up. Happy for Dimaga but sad that he doesn't really have plans to go to a MLG this year... Nice little opinion piece on the Brat_OK/Stephano incident, and to an extent I think it's fairly ambiguous on how situations like those can be handled since there is a multitude of things surrounding each scenario.

Look at NASL and how nearing the end of it's round robin, some players that were 100% certain to be knocked out, just played random games with weird tactics. There wasn't much of an outcry then, mainly because the games were somewhat entertaining and I think the affect was downplayed a lot more than it was in the Assembly situation.
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sa1330
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany43 Posts
August 16 2011 08:41 GMT
#7
You all kill?

Easy xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD


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FractalsOnFire
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia1756 Posts
August 16 2011 08:49 GMT
#8
lololoolol stephano vs BratOK now that is a series i have to watch!
Wedberg
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden169 Posts
August 16 2011 08:50 GMT
#9
Regarding Sportsmanship, shit like this wouldn't happen if there was nothing to gain from losing.
Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
August 16 2011 08:51 GMT
#10
WHOOOOO DIMAGA
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marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
August 16 2011 08:59 GMT
#11
I looove Dimaga so much (I'd marry him if I got the chance [no homo]) he's really underrated (despite tearing GSL world championship a new one, until San came along TT) and it's so cool he finally got a big tourney win. He looks impressive in every tourney he joins, so it's only fitting he finally takes home a win like this.

Also, the Stephano Brat_OK thing was silly and weird... Yeah I dunno what to say about that.
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Gesperrt
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany417 Posts
August 16 2011 09:10 GMT
#12
Dimaga deserved this sooo hard, I'm glad he finally won a big championship
Atasu
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada98 Posts
August 16 2011 09:11 GMT
#13
so i read all of it and unless i missed something, I didnt see anywhere regarding who dimaga beat in the finals...would like to know thx
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 16 2011 09:17 GMT
#14
players should always aim to advance as far into the tournament as they can, the tournaments acknowledge that by distributing the prize money according to that. that something ridiculous as this should not happen is a job of the tournament organizers.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 09:18:02
August 16 2011 09:17 GMT
#15
DIMAGA <3
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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1699 Posts
August 16 2011 09:21 GMT
#16
You know, dress it up how you want (and people will), but trying to throw a game in any sport, any tournament, is one of the most shameless displays of a lack of sportsmanship that there is.

People will say "Uhhh, so ignorant you have never been in their position", but I have been in a similar one on an arguably more significant stage in sports. Did I intentionally play like shit? No, I played one of the best games of my life, because I had my own standards to uphold, and I was there not only to achieve, but because I loved to play.

Match throwing is ludicrous, no matter when, no excuses. I can't believe that the SC2 "community" (good luck in a community with no sense of what's right in a competitive scenario), is so resoundingly blazé about the whole thing. That is also frankly shameful. Wanna get taken seriously as a form of competition, you need to act with principal, and pride in your own damn "esport".
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alda
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France68 Posts
August 16 2011 09:25 GMT
#17
About the Stephano-Bratok match, I honestly don't see where you can blame their sportsmanship here. When you play a tournament, you must do your best to win it (within its rules ofc), it shows how you respect the tournament and the other players involved in it. It's what sportsmanship is for me. And in this situation, the best chance for winning the tournament meant losing the game. It's actually a pretty tough situation to put the players into and at least they provided us with some fun games, though not competitive.

It's pretty poor ofc, but it's the fault of the tournament format, not the players. Not to put too much blame on the organizers, they probably didn't see such situations coming, but I hope that they and all other organizers will know and avoid such things in the future.

To see this another way, what if the players had played these games seemingly normally, but one of them, more clever than the other, would have made some mistakes, subtle enough not to be seen as voluntary, to ensure that he lost ? Nobody would have seen it and sportsmanship of both players would have been praised (with maybe suspicions from some viewers), but would it have been better for the tournament ? At least they were honest and didn't try to conceal what they were doing.
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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1699 Posts
August 16 2011 09:28 GMT
#18
On August 16 2011 18:25 alda wrote:
About the Stephano-Bratok match, I honestly don't see where you can blame their sportsmanship here. When you play a tournament, you must do your best to win it (within its rules ofc), it shows how you respect the tournament and the other players involved in it. It's what sportsmanship is for me. And in this situation, the best chance for winning the tournament meant losing the game. It's actually a pretty tough situation to put the players into and at least they provided us with some fun games, though not competitive.

It's pretty poor ofc, but it's the fault of the tournament format, not the players. Not to put too much blame on the organizers, they probably didn't see such situations coming, but I hope that they and all other organizers will know and avoid such things in the future.

To see this another way, what if the players had played these games seemingly normally, but one of them, more clever than the other, would have made some mistakes, subtle enough not to be seen as voluntary, to ensure that he lost ? Nobody would have seen it and sportsmanship of both players would have been praised (with maybe suspicions from some viewers), but would it have been better for the tournament ? At least they were honest and didn't try to conceal what they were doing.


I'm glad I pre-shot down posts like this, showing a mind-blowing tolerance of borderline cheating.
EleGant[AoV]
alda
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France68 Posts
August 16 2011 09:31 GMT
#19
It's not cheating at all and we just have different definitions of what sportsmanship is, that's all.
aka FallinSky
Sozeles
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway47 Posts
August 16 2011 09:37 GMT
#20
To be honest, where there is room to cheat, it be e-sports or the tour de france, cheating will be done. Talking about the honor, sportmanship or respect of a player is all good in a perfect world, but the fact is that quite a lot of ANY very competitive participant of ANYTHING seem very prone to cheat if the possibility is there.

The tournament should be planned in such a way that "cheating" for easier positions should not be possible - end of story.

If sportmanship was common we would not need WADA. (world anti-doping assosication)
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