EPTASUS ROG - Assembly Summer 2011 Aftermath - Page 2
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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Fatze
Germany1342 Posts
well done dima ;P | ||
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BigLighthouse
United Kingdom424 Posts
Also as a proud "white dude" I think this recap needs a section about how players not based in Korea and sen actually did good for once! | ||
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Opera
France469 Posts
Randomize brackets so that #1 in pools play #2 but without knowing actually from which group is a much better system. DIMAGA <3 ! I'm so happy he finally gets a title in a major tournament. | ||
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Jomppa
1225 Posts
 Gratz to Dimaga. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
We have the best community by far! | ||
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HaRxTears
141 Posts
As for the unprofessional part I have to kindly disagree. For every competition you want to go further and be in a favourable position to go even further. In real sports i have seen many occasions where this happened and 99% of it goes unpunished. This WOULD BE Cheating and of course be unprofessional IF BEFORE HAND deals were made that X player will lose against Y which wasnt the case. Btw Sen did lose against Stephano in a crazy bo3. | ||
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Eboceixa
Belgium60 Posts
anyway, great job Dimaga ! I want to see you win more ! | ||
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Silu
Finland165 Posts
What happened was a sum of several small things going a certain way. Had we had the ability to run the tournament as it was originally planned, the situation would never have had a real opportunity to arise. As it did anyway, the only thing to do was to deal with it instead of worrying about what-ifs. Needless to say a situation such as this will never happen again at Assembly and with the fuss it has caused, probably not anywhere else either. About punishment for the players involved, the matter was given a great deal of thought at the time and the bottom line was that the only concrete punishment (should some be dealt) that would have made sense from the perspective of the rules, fairness and professionalism, would have been to disqualify both players from the tournament. Now, as I'm sure most will agree, this course of action has a great many problems with it as well and so the decision was made to let the technical game result stand with warnings to both players against similar action. Here's the (somewhat similar to this post) original LR response at the time for those interested, with some discussion about an improved bracket drawing format other than pure "group winner vs group second" randomization that most seem to suggest (it has its own share of problems). | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Btw his ban on TL events has expired finally, right? btw game-throwin happens if the system allows it. MLGs system doesnt allow it. I remember at WCGs it was quite common to lose on purpose to avoid Koreans, even Koreans did to avoid each other till the end, nobody was banned for it afair | ||
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HaRxTears
141 Posts
On August 16 2011 19:20 Silu wrote: For some organizer perspective on the BratOK/Stephano situation: What happened was a sum of several small things going a certain way. Had we had the ability to run the tournament as it was originally planned, the situation would never have had a real opportunity to arise. As it did anyway, the only thing to do was to deal with it instead of worrying about what-ifs. Needless to say a situation such as this will never happen again at Assembly and with the fuss it has caused, probably not anywhere else either. About punishment for the players involved, the matter was given a great deal of thought at the time and the bottom line was that the only concrete punishment (should some be dealt) that would have made sense from the perspective of the rules, fairness and professionalism, would have been to disqualify both players from the tournament. Now, as I'm sure most will agree, this course of action has a great many problems with it as well and so the decision was made to let the technical game result stand with warnings to both players against similar action. Here's the (somewhat similar to this post) original LR response at the time for those interested, with some discussion about an improved bracket drawing format other than pure "group winner vs group second" randomization that most seem to suggest (it has its own share of problems). The tournament structure is good but you just shouldn't have announced before hand that Group X Spot 1 goes against Group Y Spot 2. If this was left unannounced this would never have happened. Everything Else was arranged pretty awesome and it was fun to watch. It was just that the Finals Stream was with some weird BZZZZZZ sound and greyish vid quality..... clearly the stage stream wasnt tested which made the viewing experience pretty bad just for the finals. The normal stream was pretty good so i would give a 7/10 for the event itself and a 10/10 for entertaining games. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
 ).Top 3 this tournament totally deserved it, I was very happy with the results. | ||
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Shpidoodle
6 Posts
The first is the perspective of the tournament organizers, they want every match to be a good match in that each player is going to try their best to win in all of the respective games and make them competitive and draw the attention of the viewers. The other is from the players perspective, when it comes down to it its not about sportsmanship respect etc, as stated there is no real reward for this other than a pat on the back, but what it really comes down to is money, and how much they get so that they will be able to make a living, and obviously they felt the best way to advance further in the tournament to earn more money is by losing to avoid Sen. | ||
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On August 16 2011 18:21 ImbaTosS wrote: You know, dress it up how you want (and people will), but trying to throw a game in any sport, any tournament, is one of the most shameless displays of a lack of sportsmanship that there is. People will say "Uhhh, so ignorant you have never been in their position", but I have been in a similar one on an arguably more significant stage in sports. Did I intentionally play like shit? No, I played one of the best games of my life, because I had my own standards to uphold, and I was there not only to achieve, but because I loved to play. Match throwing is ludicrous, no matter when, no excuses. I can't believe that the SC2 "community" (good luck in a community with no sense of what's right in a competitive scenario), is so resoundingly blazé about the whole thing. That is also frankly shameful. Wanna get taken seriously as a form of competition, you need to act with principal, and pride in your own damn "esport". Teams tank in the NBA all the time for better draft picks. SC players aren't the only people in the world throwing games. | ||
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Chocofluffy
United Kingdom2 Posts
"On Sportsmanship" in my opinion starts out well by outlining the interesting situation which occurred at Assembly in regards to tournament organisation/sportsmanship. These first three paragraphs are as Waxangel says an "Introduction for those of you who don't know the story". What I don't understand is why we (the readers) are then promptly told in paragraph 4: "Outside the games themselves, the biggest subplot of the weekend was the Stephano vs Brat_OK game-throwing incident. It's a complicated topic to talk about, and one that deserves more than a simple treatment here. But there are a few short things I would like to say. Keep in mind, these are purely my opinions." Did the article just get a blue screen of death and reboot itself...? Were we not introduced to the situation between Stephano and Brat_OK in the first three paragraphs to let people understand what occurred and enable the writer to discuss "On Sportsmanship"? Needless to say this is where I get confused by the writers intentions and direction for the article as suddenly we (the readers) are told that the topic is too complex and cannot be given justice in this column. Yet he has "a few short things" to say on the topic just as long as we keep in mind they are his opinions. Wait...What....Lets go over this again.... 1. -So the article is about "On Sportsmanship"... 2. -Situation which occurred at Assembly explained. 3. -Topic is too complex to talk about and deserves more than this simple article. 4. -Then proceed to give us a brief one sided opinion piece? I cannot be the only person who thinks this makes no sense... The lack of continuity and depth in WaxAngel's "opinion article" made me only ask one question: "What part of this article actually questions Sportsmanship" ? The answer to which I think you can decide! | ||
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Silu
Finland165 Posts
On August 16 2011 19:35 HaRxTears wrote: The tournament structure is good but you just shouldn't have announced before hand that Group X Spot 1 goes against Group Y Spot 2. If this was left unannounced this would never have happened. Yes, this is precisely what I brought up in the LR as well. As noted there the only problem with that is that the method is not transparent and could be vulnerable to internal abuse, but clearly this is a smaller evil than the one used or making completely random draws (think 4 clear winner candidates over the rest, all end up in the same side of a single elimination bracket). | ||
ImbaTosS
United Kingdom1692 Posts
On August 16 2011 19:52 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Teams tank in the NBA all the time for better draft picks. SC players aren't the only people in the world throwing games. I think you probably already know that's an obtuse argument with no merit, but threw it out there anyway. To suggest that something wrong is OK just because other people do it is not only pretty morally ambiguous, but we all learn as soon as we can be taught that it is a very misguided way of thinking. You want a new, and arguably more personal form of sport to be corrupted in a similar way to others? There are huge problems with current models of how many sports are operated, and it's no secret. But you probably knew this before you posted. I suppose it's true- you make a case against something, and the more right you are the more likely people are to deny your point with terminal intensity, in any way they can. I didn't mean to threaten your ideals of gaming/sports, but I can't think why else you would pose a clearly fundamentally false argument against the points which I raised. | ||
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FreedonNadd
Austria573 Posts
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
It's so rare for this to occur, that it's understandable organization may have forgot this possibility. Indeed it should not be visible what groups play each others until all groups have played, but when games are already being played they notice this, there's nothing you can do really. Punishing players for own small mistake doesn't make sense. I'd think this could become very hot topic if only one player clearly gave games away. Then the other player would ask for him to be disqualified, and there could be real shitstorm ahead. | ||
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