EPTASUS ROG - Assembly Summer 2011 Aftermath - Page 3
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Underkoffer
Netherlands53 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On August 16 2011 17:40 Wunder wrote: Great write-up. Happy for Dimaga but sad that he doesn't really have plans to go to a MLG this year...  Nice little opinion piece on the Brat_OK/Stephano incident, and to an extent I think it's fairly ambiguous on how situations like those can be handled since there is a multitude of things surrounding each scenario. Look at NASL and how nearing the end of it's round robin, some players that were 100% certain to be knocked out, just played random games with weird tactics. There wasn't much of an outcry then, mainly because the games were somewhat entertaining and I think the affect was downplayed a lot more than it was in the Assembly situation. mlg you have to fight trough an epic hard open bracket and even with managing it you will meet koreans and then fall out before can secure a place in top4 so next time you have to do the open bracket AGAIn since so many koreans in MLG its just not worth the amount of time and plessure for that little chance and its also not enough money i think ^^ mlg pricepool is way to little for be worth that fight for someone who can make same amount of money easier (ofc if you in poolplay you done ^^ but its hard to get in) | ||
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RouaF
France4120 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
I hope we all live and learn from this. Players and tournament a-like. | ||
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alda
France68 Posts
On August 16 2011 21:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I can't understand blaming tournament before players. If you are indeed saying tournaments should do something about it, then you are already implying the players are doing something wrong. The moral mistake is on the players, the logistic mistake on the tournament. In my eyes lack of morals are always worse than lack of logistics. I hope we all live and learn from this. Players and tournament a-like. No, we all agree that the situation in itself was bad, not that the players did something amoral. There goes the subjectivity in what is moral and what is not. In fact, even if they played normally, the situation would not have been perfect either cos people could still have suspicions of one player not playing to his maximum. But this little thing should not detract us from the fact that this was a great tournament  | ||
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poundcakes
Norway239 Posts
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On August 16 2011 22:06 poundcakes wrote: The players aren't there to battle dubious moral dilemmas of whether to "play fair" or to get a better chance to go farther, they are there to play Starcraft. The tournament is at fault for allowing the existence of this situation. That's the problem they should. | ||
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Swiftly
Iceland160 Posts
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
So amasing to see | ||
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Nerdslayer
Denmark1130 Posts
Alot of teams send out there benchplayers etc. I dont regard it as cheating or poor sportmanship its just how it is and frankly its only esport nerds that can make a big deal out of it:D | ||
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sn7.buddy
Germany11 Posts
On August 16 2011 18:28 ImbaTosS wrote: I'm glad I pre-shot down posts like this, showing a mind-blowing tolerance of borderline cheating. I can understand the viewpoints of both of you. On the one hand is the overall goal of winning the tournament and dedicating everything to it, on the other one losing games on purpose is betraying yourself, the tournament and the fans on stream. The best reaction to this situation in my eyes would have been an agreement of both players with the tournament organizers to put the loser of the match at position one and the winner on spot two. This way both players could have played to their maximum strength and the viewers would have seen a fantastic game. I think after this the organizers of future tournaments think twice about fixing the playoff tree beforehand. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On August 16 2011 21:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I can't understand blaming tournament before players. If you are indeed saying tournaments should do something about it, then you are already implying the players are doing something wrong. The moral mistake is on the players, the logistic mistake on the tournament. In my eyes lack of morals are always worse than lack of logistics. I hope we all live and learn from this. Players and tournament a-like. When you're playing for money there shouldn't be an easy option to 'cheat' though, or somehow get an unfair advantage through the flaws of the setup of the tournament. I'd agree if it was Combat-Ex setting up his map hack in an online tournament, but in this case I feel like it could've been prevented so easily by the tournament if they had given it some thought. | ||
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zBro
Finland448 Posts
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MinimalistSC2
United States121 Posts
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flowSthead
1065 Posts
On August 16 2011 21:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: I can't understand blaming tournament before players. If you are indeed saying tournaments should do something about it, then you are already implying the players are doing something wrong. The moral mistake is on the players, the logistic mistake on the tournament. In my eyes lack of morals are always worse than lack of logistics. I hope we all live and learn from this. Players and tournament a-like. Some of us don't agree that the players made a moral mistake though. This is much different than the match fixing scandal. The match fixing involves a pre-determined desire to throw games to be able to win money. All of this relatively unrelated to the tournament at hand. The Assembly situation is coincidental. If Sen had been first in his group, then both players would have played their best so as to avoid Sen again. The intention is the same, yet we would praise one while we demonize the other? That makes no sense to me. What makes sense is to say that the desire to go farther in the tournament, to create mental momentum by acquiring more wins before facing tougher opponents, is a valid perspective for a player to have. People are blaming the tournaments because they did not foresee this situation occurring. I blame the tournaments because they were planning on disqualifying these players at all. This is not cheating, and the only way they really know this happened is because the players basically admitted that they did not want to face Sen. Why should the players be at fault for wanting to get farther in a tournament while adhering to the tournament rules? | ||
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LaLuSh
Sweden2358 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Not White Ra's first, but its been a while for him. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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skiptomylou1231
United States63 Posts
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
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