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[GSL] Jinro, Moonglade, Ret Foreigner Specials - Page 4

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Noob3rt
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada114 Posts
March 04 2011 07:47 GMT
#61
It was entertaining games, and great games to watch. I felt Ret had that Terran in the palm of his hand the entire game.

He'll do it next time. They all will.

Go Go oGsTL.
"What is life without happiness?"
proot
Profile Joined June 2004
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 07:51:48
March 04 2011 07:50 GMT
#62
I really don't think there will be a terran that'll pass through an upper round if they have to fight a protoss. It took a while, but protoss finally learned how to beat MM efficiently and just stall until their higher tech is out. Once they have full tech, there really is nothing stopping the protoss from taking the entire map.

GSL maps are too big to fight a standard tvp on. As sad as it is, close distances are where terran got most of their tvp wins, so it'll be interesting to see just how the winrate shifts over the coming months. I'm posting because I really feel Jinro lost to a far worse player than himself.
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Doof
Profile Joined October 2010
United States204 Posts
March 04 2011 07:51 GMT
#63
Poor Ret. Do you think he's gonna leave Korea now?
Every day should be a good day to die
TheDominator
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
New Zealand336 Posts
March 04 2011 07:52 GMT
#64
This is actually really depressing. Every foreigner kicked out so early...except for Huk.
Huk FIGHTING!!!
You can go a long way with a smile. You can go a lot farther with a smile and a gun.
Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
March 04 2011 08:00 GMT
#65
lets see that new coupe of jinro!
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 04 2011 08:08 GMT
#66
On March 04 2011 12:08 skrzmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 12:06 Vorlik wrote:

They're faster than any Terran unit and they counter banshees and ravens. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.


Vikings Jinro! Vikings!


Yeah or a thor just owns all phoenix and breaks force fields.

No, problem here is how Protoss use Phoenix. HongUn just make 4 of them(proxy btw) Its not worth to get a Thor just to deal with 4 Phoenix, You also need a higher number of viking to defeat Phoenix.
4 phoenix's harrass the hell out of early Terran play. Just a build SCV here and there, a lone marine etc...force turrent and early EB--->weaker economy.
The most important thing is Phoenix throw the Terran out of sync, very annoying. I think after this GSL Phoenix openning against Terran will get really popular.
Jinro, Ret, Huk, Haypro fighting !!!
Terran
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 04 2011 08:08 GMT
#67
strange there isnt a question about his mouse problems at all
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 04 2011 08:31 GMT
#68
On March 04 2011 17:08 Geo.Rion wrote:
strange there isnt a question about his mouse problems at all

It wasnt anything special, the USB plug had just been almost yanked out, just on accident while i was moving my mouse. So I just plugged it back in properly and it worked fine again.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Sleeping Drone
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden38 Posts
March 04 2011 08:39 GMT
#69
Jinro, its totally awesome that you actually answer questions from the fans. Its stuff like this that makes Starcraft so much more interessting than "normal" sports.
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa977 Posts
March 04 2011 08:44 GMT
#70
I'm really a bit sad that you're out, Jonathan! Hope you crush these guys next season!
But I registered, that here at the IEM the Korean-Toss are playing a lot Phoenix in early game and winning a lot. Would you say that this is a general problem at the moment? How to defend early pressure phoenix properly?

And also, guys who are complaining about Jinro not proparly playing. dont forget, it was proxy stargate scouted late...so difficult to adapt!
The only known Reverend on TL playing SC2 and BW (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409226)
JoeCrow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States167 Posts
March 04 2011 09:01 GMT
#71
On March 04 2011 13:58 danl9rm wrote:
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On March 04 2011 12:13 JoeCrow wrote:
Kinda dissappointed with Jinro's response. He lives in a house with some of the best protoss and a ton of talented people, but he has no idea what to do against a phoenix build? I feel like he has all of these resources to tap into and then turns around and says he had no game plan against a phonix build. A poor excuse imo.

I love jinro as much as the next guy, and have been cheering for him the whole way, but am I the only one who thinks this? (flame shield up)


Most people on these boards can't fathom the level that these guys are playing at. Their builds and strategies, for the most part, are not thrown together haphazardly. You can't just say, "he should've made a couple thors" because he has to fit them into his build, or have them as a planned response. If he didn't practice making thors, he better not make them in the tourney on the fly, that's a sure way to lose, and hate yourself for it later.

Also, the reason he doesn't know how to fight phoenixes is because he has the best toss(es) to play against. They know how to use them correctly, and Jinro knows what the phoenix is capable of.

I agree completely. Thats why I refrained from "durr just do this!". Also, I may just have a poor understanding of how the training process works. Hypothetically, if you know the phoenix build is coming, then there must be some counter opening that works decently against it right? I guess that if he did a build that prepared for phoenix, it would make him weak to other P builds.

MC or some other P on ogs-liquid could tell jinro what builds/tactics they have trouble against when they go phoenix against a T right?


On March 04 2011 16:36 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 12:13 JoeCrow wrote:
Kinda dissappointed with Jinro's response. He lives in a house with some of the best protoss and a ton of talented people, but he has no idea what to do against a phoenix build? I feel like he has all of these resources to tap into and then turns around and says he had no game plan against a phonix build. A poor excuse imo.

I love jinro as much as the next guy, and have been cheering for him the whole way, but am I the only one who thinks this? (flame shield up)

Its not an excuse lol, I just dont know what to do vs phoenixes, its not like I didnt try stuff in practice. Phoenix are currently not that popular, because the new maps let you 1gate nexus so damn safely, so most of my prep was focused on playing vs other openings.

Thanks for the response, and now I feel bad about how I worded my OP - sorry if I came off as rude. I wonder if we will see phoenix builds become more popular in the metagame. Looking forward to watching your future games and gl!
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
March 04 2011 09:09 GMT
#72
Good to know that Ret and moonglade were in code S...
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
March 04 2011 09:13 GMT
#73
you still had a really good performance jinro, protosses like hong un are really hard to practice against. You should start practicing mech again
SupremeMe
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden227 Posts
March 04 2011 10:05 GMT
#74
Ahh, I want the replay of Jinro's first match vs Hongun. Would love to get that BO!
Anyone got it or knows where to get it?
Distributor of pain - Your loss becomes my gain
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
March 04 2011 10:17 GMT
#75
the moral of the interview is that tvp is really hard right now
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 04 2011 10:37 GMT
#76
The build I did is like the 2nd best build vs phoenix, the hardest counter is 1 rax cc no gas but you cant do that on Xel Naga.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 10:42:52
March 04 2011 10:40 GMT
#77
I'm glad that I'm not the only one having trouble against phoenix openings. Also phoenix + collossus is damn hard to beat. You can't drop and there is a very small timing very early in the game where you can crush the protoss, but it's so small that you will miss it very easy.

It would be awesome if mech would work against protoss, but every good T knows that it's almost impossible, especially on those big maps. Biomech has three weaknesses: immobility, low tank count (tanks are only awesome when you hit a critical mass) and friendly fire from the tanks. So the only thing that's left is MMM + viking + ghosts and maybe some thors.

Good luck jinro! I hope you find a sollution!
VonDarkmore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia193 Posts
March 04 2011 11:32 GMT
#78
Great games from every one of them Especially Jinro, It seemed as though Jinro and Ret had more skill in their games but a few minor things worked against them and slowly turned the tide, that happens to everyone now and then, Best of luck to all of them in the next GSL they will only get better and go further.
One who understands much displays a greater simplicity of character than one who understands little
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
March 04 2011 12:11 GMT
#79
Question for jinro: how do you think terrans will do after 1) the stim nerf, 2) the bunker nerf, 3) the zealot buff
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
March 04 2011 12:13 GMT
#80
Really looking forward to what tactics u come up vs P, and seeing u win GSL in the future. U have great talent, and it's always a pleasure watching u play, even if i am not a terran fan.

Keep up the great job!
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