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[GSL] Jinro, Moonglade, Ret Foreigner Specials

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[GSL] Jinro, Moonglade, Ret Foreigner Specials

Text byDivinek
March 4th, 2011 02:30 GMT
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This Foreigner Special covers Liquid`Jinro's match against HongUnPrime.WE with battle reports and a post game interview. Also included are two (late) battle reports of FXO.mOOngLaDe's match against ZeNEXJJUN and Liquid`Ret's match against SlayerS_M.

GSL Code S Ro32 Foreigner Special: Liquid`Jinro
By Divinek

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Images courtesy of GomTV


Liquid`Jinro = Red | HongUnPrime.WE = Blue

T6 Game 1 - Metalopolis P2
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Jinro begins with a factory first build, only to float this away for scouting purposes while transitioning into a starport and a second factory. Hungun chooses 1 gate into robo followed up by a second gateway. He utilizes this fast robo to get an even faster observer out, Jinro’s close and he needs to know what’s up. Following this up Hungun tries to put some pressure with his initial units but meets the wall that is a lone terran bunker.

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Jinro show’s us his immediate intention with this starport is to get rid of those pesky observers. With the initial raven he builds, he’s able to snipe off Hungun’s scouting observers putting him in some uncertainty for what’s about to come.

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Jinro proceeds to demonstrate his prowess not only in his mechanical talents, but also his strategic awareness. He turns into Jinro P.I. and begins discovering every little thing his opponent is up to. First he uses that initially floated factory to scout Hungun’s entire base; discovering the stargate. Then he finds Hungun’s 12 o’clock main not seconds after Hungun starts building it! Nothing can be kept from Jinro this game, nothing.

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Jinro's eye sees all


With the discovery that Hongun has invested into an expansion that is not yet providing any return, Jinro uses this prime opportunity to push up to Hongun’s natural with his mmRV force. He also sets up an expansion behind this pressure, this is no all in ladies and gentlemen.
Once Jinro arrives at Hongun’s natural, both players dance their units around the main ramp looking for a stray unit or any slip up in macro that could allow one to bust through the other. Hongun makes what looks like a mindless error when he tries to maynard probes to his new base while he knows full well jinros entire army is right outside his natural.

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Jinro uses this opening of confusion for Hongun to attempt a push up into his main, throwing out two point defense drones before his raven dies. Hongun makes poor usage of his forcefields while Jinro’s banshees wail on the ground army, the Vikings take care of the void ray, and his ground force to clean up the rest.

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oh look some forcefields...isn't that nice


This hardly looked like an effort, Jinro made impeccable use of timing and capitalizing on his opponent’s mistakes in this game.

T11 Game 2 - Tal'Darim Altar P1
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Jinro starts this game off with concussive shells upgrading while getting a factory, wanting to fast expand, but not without some early potential out of factory units. Hongun again impresses us with his creativity by opening up 4 gate on this wide open map, sarcasm alarms a blaring at this point. Thanks to the spacious chokes, Jinro easily pushes into Hongun’s main; attempting some pressure with a small mm hellion force, causing Hongun to waste a few forcefields before withdrawing with neither taking any real losses.

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Hongun replies to this with some pressure of his own as soon as his warpgates finish. He sends out a stalker strike force right after Jinro’s fleeing units. Jinro engages him on the way to his own base in order to buy time to set up bunkers outside of his natural, even though this is a losing exchange for him.

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At this point Hongun simply has too much “stuff” and jinro has invested too heavily into things that don’t attack, read bunkers and CCs. He can’t hold this massive 4 gate force in such a wide choke. Hongun lays down some surrounding forcefields on the bunkers and smashes through Jinro’s natural, leaving our terran with no choice but to type out.

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T1 Game 3 - Xel'Naga Caverns P7
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This game starts off with cross position spawns, hopefully promising us a longer game than the previous two. Hongun really does get a bit interesting this time, proxying a stargate nearer to Jinro’s base. Out of this he begins producing what seem like all too fast a unit, phoenixes.

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Jinro chooses to get out a fast reaper in order to scout his opponent that would otherwise have an easier time intercepting his scout or stopping at the ramp with such large travel distances. Behind this movement Jinro fast expands and adds 2 more barracks to his main. Fortunately Jinro’s reaper does manage to penetrate the defences of Hongun and see what’s in his base. Rather, he sees exactly what’s not in his base, any tech. Right about this time Hongun sends his first 2 phoenixes over to Jinro’s main, and this is where the onslaught begins.

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No one leaves alive


Hongun flies in when jinro has produced only one marine, naturally hongun goes straight for the mules. But what’s this you say, Jinro outsmarts these two gravity defying nightmares and repairs to mule saving it from an timely death?! Yes! He does just that. Unfortunately once Hongun adds another phoenix to the mix this trick no longer works, costing Jinro a couple mules. It’d be all too easy of that was the end of Hongun’s fun.
While Hongun expand his phoenixes continue their punishing barrage of terror. They pick off stray SCVs, units that pop out of barracks, even scouts can’t leave the base with these winged demons flying overhead.

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Yes this is still going on


While this mayhem continues both players tech up, Hongun producing colossuses, and Jinro their airborne counters. At this point it is suspected that Hongun somehow managed to kill even Jinro’s mouse with his phoenix harass. The game had to be paused while Jinro got some tech support, the problem was dealt with extremely quickly.
With the action resumed back into its full swing, Hongun goes for another base while Jinro produces some shiny new ghosts. When Hongun notices that Jinro’s Viking count is continuing to increase, he switches over to high Templars in aims to increase the longevity and lethality of his own army.
Jinro tries to break honguns third before he can get it up and fully running, this engagement proves to be one that was inevitable but not in favour of the terran. While the colossus count is reduced to zero, Jinro loses his entire army for that trade without damaging the expansion.

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Hongun then wastes no time, pushing out and killing Jinro’s rallied units sitting outside his third, while maynarding probes to that same base. However Jinro is putting up a third base of his own at the gold expansion, the race is on to get a planetary up in time.
Hongun strikes just before the planetary finishes, and with amazing psi storms taking out scvs repairing, and the marauder groups. Hongun manages to destroy jinros 3rd along with his entire army. Jinro hits out the the g keys and it’s all over for his run this season.

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Nothing left...







TLAF-Liquid`Jinro Post Game Interview
By Hot_Bid


Tough loss. What do you think went wrong wrong?

He made phoenixes. I told Hero that if he plays phoenix, I'm just dead. I have no idea how to play against it. So third game he did that and I was like "oh shit."

Why not?

They're faster than any Terran unit and they counter banshees and ravens. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.

If you could do the series over what would you do differently?

I'd proxy barracks him. Because he's Protoss. True story.

What did you do to get your mind off the loss?

I went to a movie with Chris (HuK) and ate some Chinese food.

What movie did you watch?

The Adjustment Bureau in Korea. It wasn't too bad, just a cheesy ending. Hot girl though, and Rachel Weisz* was on the poster for some other movie -- double score.

* Jinro stated that to him, Rachel Weisz is the opposite of Michelle Rodriguez.

Did you do anything else after?

Then we met up with Tasteless at a bar. I was hitting on a couple of Korean girls at the table next to us before we left. I don't remember much more than that. I'm pretty sure I asked for and got a phone number, but I was too drunk to write it down.

How disappointed are you? About losing to HongUn, not the phone number.

I'm disappointed, but I'm going to shave my head as a symbolic gesture for starting over practice-wise. Maybe not full shave but like a military crew cut.

A few of your teammates are still in the tournament, including HuK, MC, NaDa, and TheWind. Are you going to cheer for them?

Of course. Minchul is going to win this GSL, nobody is left that's a threat, and HuK is going to clinch a Code S spot. Then we will dominate next round. TheWind will be like the manager guy who is so talented that he stays Code S forever.

Do you have any words of encouragement for Hayder and Ret? They both lost earlier this week.

Hayder was unlucky enough to draw one of the best TvZs in Korea. Jos will show his true self again soon, and he'll be happy.

Whats your plan for next season?

Do better than this. TvP is and has been a thorn in my side forever. I want to learn how to play it. Right now, I don't know how I'll do that, but I'll try my best.

Good luck!






GSL Code S Ro32 Foreigner Special: mOOnGLaDe
By palookieblue


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mOOngLaDe = Red | ZeNEXJJUN = Blue

Z7 Game 1 - Xel'Naga Caverns T1
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JJUN opens with a gas-less 2rax while GLaDE opts for a hatch into pool opening. The zerg player loses a scouting overlord as it hovers towards the terran natural. JJUN uses his marines to control the towers and prevent further scouting, forcing a defensive spinecrawler.

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The terran feigns pressure with around 9-10 marines and backs off while expanding behind it. Seeing only pure marine, GLaDe gets a baneling nest and plenty of zerglings. Realising that immediate aggression will be futile, JJUN drops two factories, going for pre-igniter hellions. Another clutch denial of a scouting overlord near the Terran base leaves Zerg in the dark.

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GLaDe responds by moving his whole ling force to the natural area, morphing banelings for an attack. The hellions and marines intercept the force, however, and the lack of creep and baneling speed spell the doom for the Zerg army. GLaDe's indecisiveness led to even greater loss as he moved to engage, and backed off numerous times. The slow banelings are helplessly toyed with by the hellions, and he runs the zerglings into a healthy marine ball.

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JJUN goes in for the kill, rallying all his units and reinforcements to the Zerg's bare expo. The hellions force the drones to run away and the marines easily dispose of the lone spinecrawler and queen. The lings hatch and the banes morph, but the Terran force is too great. The blue-flame hellions prove the matchwinner in this game, roasting the remaining army away for the second and final time.

With his hatch falling to the red zone and no army/ economy to speak off, GLaDe taps out.

Z12 Game 2 - Terminus RE T6
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GLaDe in the 12o'clock position, JJUN at 6o'clock.
Terran goes for a 1rax-FE, with an identical build to the previous game from GLaDe. A quick double gas for JJUN, and he grabs two factories soon after. As he floats his CC to the nearby expo, he makes a sim-city wall with the buildings, negating possible ling run-bys. We see GLaDE again choosing to stick with the ling/baneling composition, and he also grabs an evo chamber for melee upgrades. The hellions move out again just as the Zerg player looks to tech to mutas. The lair is almost done and additional geysers have been added. Smart positioning of the queens block the ramp to the main base, but JJUN's hellions force the drones to scatter, losing valuable mining time. The hellions continue to camp the mineral line and GLaDe is forced to surround with additional lings.

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While this harass was taking place, Terran constructs his 3rd base, has an operational starport, and is teching to siege tanks. Another blue-flame harass in the main takes place via medivac drop, forcing more drone movement and mass loss of speedlings. Both players choosing to tech up, GLaDe going for mutalisks and baneling speed while JJUN researches combat shields and builds an armoury. Another drop is successfully warded off and the game enters a slight lull. The problem for GLaDe is that it is 3base vs 3base with the Terran getting his up earlier. At the 13-minute mark, JJUN begins the slow march to the zerg choke with a large marine/tank/medivac army

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Mutalisks flying around the sieged tanks try and stall the incoming push but JJUN executes the tank crawl methodically, shelling the spinecrawlers and dropping the 3rd base simultaneously. A couple of well-placed Thors in the army mix ward off the growing muta flock and GLaDe is forced to magic box the Thors. One goes down but the stream of incoming marines scare him away. As JJUN starts elevator-dropping the 3rd base, the zerg can't wait any longer and throws his full army at the choke, managing to wipe out everything.

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The few mutas that do survive can't stop another large push at the 4th base, and the hatch is left to perish. Meanwhile JJUN has been firmly on top of his macro, getting his 4th base up and running and amassing another fearsome marine/tank force heading straight for the main. GLaDe can't get back into the economy race as he is forced to produce units non-stop.

The re-taken 3rd base for Zerg is dropped onto again with a small force which succeed in destroying it. GLaDe cleans it up and goes for a counter with his whole army, wiping out JJUN's 4th base. The two large armies now sit near the enemy's section of the map, but JJUN forces the zerg to engage on his terms as he gets in range of the production facilities. The banelings die before they can splash their innards on the marines but the sheer number of mutalisks clean up the anti-air forcing the tanks to roll home.

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In spite of this small victory, GLaDe is still behind on bases, on economy, and Terran reinforces frighteningly quickly with a replacement army. The supplies tell the story with JJUN doubling his opponent as he commences another methodical foray into the zerg main. GLaDe's shrinking army barely tickles the mix of 2/2 marines, tanks and thors and the natural goes down in a sloppy mess. The four lone mutas catch sight of 3 command centres building outside the zerg base and mOOnGLaDe calls GG.

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GSL Code S Ro32 Foreigner Special: Liquid`Ret
By Xxio


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SlayerS_M = Red | LiquidRet = Blue

T1 Game 1 - Crevasse Z11
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SlayerS_M, chosen by Boxer to join SlayerS clan, used multiple drops to shake up Ret's booming, 40 drone economy at 8 minutes. A late lair delayed Ret's mutalisks, but he still easily defended M's drops, which ended up costing M much more than he gained. Nearing the 13 minute mark, at 140 food to M's 120, Ret took back map control with a burst of zerglings and mutalisks. At 14 minutes Ret's infestation pit was well under way and his 4th base had just finished. With 79 drones and looking very suave in his booth, Ret picked off a number of M's tanks. M tried to drop again, in a few places, but Ret suffered little if any damage. At 17 minutes, M started his 4th base and had more than a couple infestors on the field. M's drops, however, finally paid off when he sniped Ret's natural and damaged the Zerg's 4th. Massed up, M pushed on Ret's third and dropped Ret's 4th again.

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Similar to how Ganzi beat Haypro, M's drops whittled away at Ret's economy


Broodlords drove back the main push, but Ret did lose his 4th. Ret slowly chased M back with a mass of broodlords and took out the Terran's 4th, but his surviving broodlords continued the attack without any support and were cleaned up by a group of newly made marines. M continued to harass Ret's frontier bases, sniping Ret's 5th with a drop while pushing back along the main route of attack. Ret switched to ultralisks but his economy could not make enough of them to shift the game in his favor. When a nuke luckily caught an expansion's worth of drones in a transfer, Ret typed out.

T1 Game 2 - Tal'Darim Altar Z5
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M went expansion first, then walled off his choke with 3 barracks and began researching the infernal preignitor upgrade. A small marine hellion push killed off 4 of Ret's creep tumors before they had a chance to spread, but Ret's mutalisks popped just in time to catch and kill off a hellion drop. With his 3rd up, Ret harassed M's worker lines before the turrets finished and began to power drones. Once his bases were mutalisk-secure, M pushed towards Ret with 3 tanks and a mass of marines, scanning on his way to clear the creep. Always poking with his mutalisks, Ret picked off small groups of marines and a tank until M gave up on his position and moved back to his base. At 15 minutes Ret started his hive, transferred a group of his 79 drones to his 4th – in the bottom left corner – and began whittling away at the Terran's main with flock of mutalisks. Ret successfully kept M in his base but the Terran was massing a large number of tanks. M tried to drop Ret's 4th but, despite it's remote location, Ret fended it off.

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The broodlords never got to see the light of day


As M pushed to Ret's main, Ret countered with a swarm of zerglings, forcing the Terran's 3rd to lift. Ret's broodlords did not finish in time, however, and the Terran was able to push into Ret's natural with the bulk of his army intact. Ret's natural fell, then his third while a drop in his main began taking out the tech. Maxed less than a minute ago and now under 100 food, Ret gg'd.



Next: TLAF-Liquid`HuK in Code A Quarterfinals!

The past week or so has been sad and disappointing for fans of foreigners in the GSL, as only one of six total foreigners are alive in the brackets. Liquid`HuK is our last remaining foreigner in the GSL March 2011, and we wish him luck in against IM.LosirA!
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Ursadon-n-Pals
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States928 Posts
March 04 2011 02:34 GMT
#2
:/ So Jinro has been having problems in TvP?
Nothing worth having comes easy.
Majynx
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1431 Posts
March 04 2011 02:36 GMT
#3
Sucks that Jinro is out, but he does remain Code S. I do hope that Ret does better next season. Nice write-up.
Nathyrra
Profile Joined September 2010
United States14 Posts
March 04 2011 02:37 GMT
#4
It appears Jinro is more serious about SC2 than ever, good for him! He's one of the best! GO JINRO!
staples2
Profile Joined December 2010
United States216 Posts
March 04 2011 02:38 GMT
#5
So sad for Ret and Jinro. MC and HuK need to show Jinro how to beat up on pheonix
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SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
March 04 2011 02:39 GMT
#6
On March 04 2011 11:34 Ursadon-n-Pals wrote:
:/ So Jinro has been having problems in TvP?


I think in general terran are having trouble in TvP. I wonder why he didnt mech since it work on oGsMC in the past. I guess it played around with it and it had flaws in it :/
I may not be the best, but i will be some day...
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
March 04 2011 02:41 GMT
#7
Wow had no idea that Jinro had so little confidence in his TvP. I just assumed it was a scouting error and if he had known in advance about the proxy Stargate he could have adapted to it.

It would be unfortunate if T was forced into some kind of Thor opening to death push a Phoenix opening because it's so easily stopped by a variety of other P tech trees.

The constant dropping thats required to stay in TvP is also really hard to do with Phoenixes on the map...will be interesting to see how players adapt to this, but if anybody can help Jinro with his TvP its MC. On a side note I have to agree with him, MC is looking solid to take this entire tournament.
(Spiff)
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada82 Posts
March 04 2011 02:42 GMT
#8
Too bad Jinro lost
HuK fighting!!!!!!! Code A winner right there!!!
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Bubble-T
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia105 Posts
March 04 2011 02:44 GMT
#9
On March 04 2011 11:34 Ursadon-n-Pals wrote:
:/ So Jinro has been having problems in TvP?

He said as much in an interview before the GSL started. Guess he didn't manage to figure it out in the meantime.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
March 04 2011 02:46 GMT
#10
Glad haypro and ret aren't giving up.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
March 04 2011 02:48 GMT
#11
so sad for jinro but it happens to the best of us.
gl hf and good for haypro and ret staying
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DibujEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Chile130 Posts
March 04 2011 02:48 GMT
#12
I can't believe Jinro lost, i'm so unhapy for him now ):! I hope he does better the next season ):!
;D!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
March 04 2011 02:50 GMT
#13
Lol why does it say SC2 Beta on the front page spotlight of this article?
OMGIllithan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States101 Posts
March 04 2011 02:51 GMT
#14
Poor Jinro :-/. I hope HuK and MC teach him how to deal with phoenixes so that he can reemerge dominant next season.
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Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
March 04 2011 02:52 GMT
#15
So.. any foreigners left?
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altered
Profile Joined March 2008
Switzerland646 Posts
March 04 2011 02:54 GMT
#16
We are all proud of you Jinro, you are a inspiration for all of us foreigners and liquidians especially the terrans.
I believe in you and will cheer for you whenever you play.
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WaZuP
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany487 Posts
March 04 2011 02:54 GMT
#17
Nicely written thw hole thing !
da two things im looking forward to are Huk scoring his place in code s and a boldheaded chinro ... that ll be awesome :D
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
March 04 2011 02:58 GMT
#18
On March 04 2011 11:52 Grend wrote:
So.. any foreigners left?


Opening article says Huk is still alive.
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 03:05:17
March 04 2011 03:05 GMT
#19
GO HUK *shock* Yeahhhhhh baby more ceremonies
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Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
March 04 2011 03:06 GMT
#20

They're faster than any Terran unit and they counter banshees and ravens. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.


Vikings Jinro! Vikings!
Ruyguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada988 Posts
March 04 2011 03:07 GMT
#21
Huk Hwaiting!!! sucks for jinro, Ret and Moonglade
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
March 04 2011 03:08 GMT
#22
On March 04 2011 12:06 Vorlik wrote:
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They're faster than any Terran unit and they counter banshees and ravens. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.


Vikings Jinro! Vikings!


Yeah or a thor just owns all phoenix and breaks force fields.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
numberThirtyOne
Profile Joined March 2008
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 03:20:19
March 04 2011 03:09 GMT
#23
On March 04 2011 11:41 ZasZ. wrote:
Wow had no idea that Jinro had so little confidence in his TvP. I just assumed it was a scouting error and if he had known in advance about the proxy Stargate he could have adapted to it.

It would be unfortunate if T was forced into some kind of Thor opening to death push a Phoenix opening because it's so easily stopped by a variety of other P tech trees.

The constant dropping thats required to stay in TvP is also really hard to do with Phoenixes on the map...will be interesting to see how players adapt to this, but if anybody can help Jinro with his TvP its MC. On a side note I have to agree with him, MC is looking solid to take this entire tournament.


Hmm, I was wondering why mixing in a little mech wouldn't have worked. It seems like if you have 1-2 thors beneath your vikings, the phoenix wouldn't survive long enough to chew through them like they could otherwise. Maybe the earlier economic harass was just too much and the midgame composition wasn't the problem. I dunno.

Edit:
I just don't think it forces "a thor opening" any more than mutas force a thor opening. You get the thor because it's amazing and you only need a small number of them, not because you're forced into something you don't want to do. My 2 cents.
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Darkkal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States60 Posts
March 04 2011 03:09 GMT
#24
(T)Jinro is wearing the razor starcraft 2 headset!!!! goddamnit i want one soooo bad.
JoeCrow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States167 Posts
March 04 2011 03:13 GMT
#25
Kinda dissappointed with Jinro's response. He lives in a house with some of the best protoss and a ton of talented people, but he has no idea what to do against a phoenix build? I feel like he has all of these resources to tap into and then turns around and says he had no game plan against a phonix build. A poor excuse imo.

I love jinro as much as the next guy, and have been cheering for him the whole way, but am I the only one who thinks this? (flame shield up)
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
March 04 2011 03:19 GMT
#26
On March 04 2011 12:06 Vorlik wrote:
Show nested quote +

They're faster than any Terran unit and they counter banshees and ravens. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.


Vikings Jinro! Vikings!

the damage was alrdy done by the time he could've gotten enough vikings out
CharlieBrownsc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada598 Posts
March 04 2011 03:23 GMT
#27
I really didn't enjoy the write-up style

it was too slangy and there were little play-on-words that just didn't translate. Not chirping, but I'd stick to a more regular style

also, first game of rets just started getting written about like 10 minutes in???
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Alphaes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States651 Posts
March 04 2011 03:23 GMT
#28
On March 04 2011 12:13 JoeCrow wrote:
Kinda dissappointed with Jinro's response. He lives in a house with some of the best protoss and a ton of talented people, but he has no idea what to do against a phoenix build? I feel like he has all of these resources to tap into and then turns around and says he had no game plan against a phonix build. A poor excuse imo.

I love jinro as much as the next guy, and have been cheering for him the whole way, but am I the only one who thinks this? (flame shield up)


Honestly, I think very few Terrans these days are very comfortable facing Protoss, especially if they want to play macro games.
What this
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
March 04 2011 03:26 GMT
#29
It's interesting to note how jinro's changed with the tone of this interview.
It feels like before we would be saying "Oh you shouldn't feel bad you did farily well and HongUn is a semifinalist..." now it's perfectly appropriate "Hongun? That **** **** Yeah better shave that hair and get shit done."

Champion's mentality.

It's nice to see someone else being allowed a chance to get to the Ro4
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Lori_ftw
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany286 Posts
March 04 2011 03:26 GMT
#30
TvP for Terran is as hard as ZvT for Zerg. Colossi/HTs are just too damn good against BioBalls.
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Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
March 04 2011 03:28 GMT
#31
haha jinro i proxy <3 love that comment
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beat farm
Profile Joined October 2010
United States478 Posts
March 04 2011 03:30 GMT
#32
jinro is such a boss. gets numbers while being to drunk to write them down.
Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
March 04 2011 03:31 GMT
#33
They all say code s round of 32 ret and moonglade went out in code a round of 32 and jinro was ro 16 code s
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
March 04 2011 03:34 GMT
#34
Is that everyone other than HuK out now? D:
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
March 04 2011 03:36 GMT
#35
You can sense the hurt and disappointment in the interview. But that is a good sign! It's the motivation for him to train even harder and do better next season!
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
March 04 2011 03:39 GMT
#36
On March 04 2011 12:34 MangoTango wrote:
Is that everyone other than HuK out now? D:

From Liquid yeah but there are still oGs guys in like MC, TheWind and NaDa ..
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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
March 04 2011 03:41 GMT
#37
On March 04 2011 12:08 skrzmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 12:06 Vorlik wrote:

They're faster than any Terran unit and they counter banshees and ravens. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.


Vikings Jinro! Vikings!


Yeah or a thor just owns all phoenix and breaks force fields.


Yeah because Im sure he hadnt thought of that. You guys should be playing in the GSL!

TvP Is a hard matchup to play, partly because protoss hard counters are really effective against terran units. (ex. Immortals, are much stronger vs thors and tanks, than against roaches, simply because losing a roach is no big deal, losing a thor or a couple tanks is hugely expensive.)Pheonixs are a really great unit and hard to play against. I really dont think giving obvious suggestions is really going to provide alot of help given the varying skill and unit composition involved.

Sad for Jinro though, He'll get that tvp solved soon and then we will have a foreign GSL champ! =D


"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
March 04 2011 03:44 GMT
#38
Pretty bummed that the foreigners haven't being doing well in the GSL this season, but at least we still have Huk to root for! I do feel confident that Jinro will be back and remain a contender though. Haypro and Moonglade I'm a bit more worried about, and while I feel confident that Ret could do well, I fear that he may be getting discouraged.

Stay in there guys!
For Aiur???
Phosgene
Profile Joined February 2011
United States187 Posts
March 04 2011 04:20 GMT
#39
Well at least he doesn't have to face MC. MC is looking so strong right now
Itsgosu
CountBarq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States45 Posts
March 04 2011 04:22 GMT
#40
I was really pulling for Ret : (
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lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
March 04 2011 04:25 GMT
#41
Hongun opening was very risky jinro waited to long and the risk paid off

imo the correct responce was to go to 4-6 racks asap (instead of teching up) pull a few scvs and do a stim timing push.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 12:49:43
March 04 2011 04:32 GMT
#42
Great read.
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blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
March 04 2011 04:36 GMT
#43
On March 04 2011 13:25 lim1017 wrote:
Hongun opening was very risky jinro waited to long and the risk paid off

imo the correct responce was to go to 4-6 racks asap (instead of teching up) pull a few scvs and do a stim timing push.


Something along those lines might have worked but I don't really think tht's Jinro's natural style. The phoenixes gave Hongun full control of the game and it was an uphill battle for Jinro to continue playing a macro game as he couldn't put any pressure on Hongun at all in the early stages. Jinro has made it publicly known tht he struggles in TvP but wait til next season, TvP will be his best matchup.
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iPood
Profile Joined January 2011
United States99 Posts
March 04 2011 04:43 GMT
#44
hahaha starcraft 2 beta
danl9rm
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States3111 Posts
March 04 2011 04:58 GMT
#45
On March 04 2011 12:13 JoeCrow wrote:
Kinda dissappointed with Jinro's response. He lives in a house with some of the best protoss and a ton of talented people, but he has no idea what to do against a phoenix build? I feel like he has all of these resources to tap into and then turns around and says he had no game plan against a phonix build. A poor excuse imo.

I love jinro as much as the next guy, and have been cheering for him the whole way, but am I the only one who thinks this? (flame shield up)


Most people on these boards can't fathom the level that these guys are playing at. Their builds and strategies, for the most part, are not thrown together haphazardly. You can't just say, "he should've made a couple thors" because he has to fit them into his build, or have them as a planned response. If he didn't practice making thors, he better not make them in the tourney on the fly, that's a sure way to lose, and hate yourself for it later.

Also, the reason he doesn't know how to fight phoenixes is because he has the best toss(es) to play against. They know how to use them correctly, and Jinro knows what the phoenix is capable of.
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ReaperX
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Hong Kong1758 Posts
March 04 2011 05:00 GMT
#46
Really depressing how there are no more westerners in Code S, but I am still hoping that HuK can revive the pride by qualifying for Code S next season... That would kill it having two Liquid's to represent for us at Code S. Nice try all.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9384 Posts
March 04 2011 05:04 GMT
#47
Dont you think Jinro has practiced a lot against phoenixs, and probably alot against protoss genereally? And yet he cant beat them in a macro games (even though he has much better mechanics than a player like Hongun). The HT nerf will help but late game TvP is still pretty protoss favored.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
March 04 2011 05:10 GMT
#48
aw so sad..
bounce back foreigners in korea!!! go go!
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Nicodemusher
Profile Joined November 2010
United States188 Posts
March 04 2011 05:25 GMT
#49
Damn, great read. Huk has to keep the foreigner hope alive!
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
March 04 2011 05:47 GMT
#50
Never give up. Never say die
I like it
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rift`
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia31 Posts
March 04 2011 05:53 GMT
#51
Jinro is the man, waiting for those toss nerfs.
Ganon-
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada68 Posts
March 04 2011 05:55 GMT
#52
Phoenix openings are definitely hard to deal with as it nullifies air plays from Terran. It hurts even more when the terran player doesn't know that it's coming and reacts too late when the damage is already done with scv/mule snipes (Forces turrets, slower economy).
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
March 04 2011 05:55 GMT
#53
Jinro shouldve just build Thors.

The fight vs MC his thors instant killed like 9 pheonixes.

Next time my swedish buddy!

Also drinking untill you get memory loss is the manly way to do it !
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Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 04 2011 05:59 GMT
#54
omg shave head I wanna see this.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
March 04 2011 06:22 GMT
#55
might wanna edit the starcraft 2 beta headline
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
Atlas247
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada318 Posts
March 04 2011 06:29 GMT
#56
I think all races are trouble with protoss at the moment, except of course protoss
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Kazzabiss
Profile Joined December 2010
1006 Posts
March 04 2011 06:37 GMT
#57
On March 04 2011 15:29 Atlas247 wrote:
I think all races are trouble with protoss at the moment, except of course protoss

Have you seen a PvP recently?
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 07:41:06
March 04 2011 07:36 GMT
#58
On March 04 2011 12:13 JoeCrow wrote:
Kinda dissappointed with Jinro's response. He lives in a house with some of the best protoss and a ton of talented people, but he has no idea what to do against a phoenix build? I feel like he has all of these resources to tap into and then turns around and says he had no game plan against a phonix build. A poor excuse imo.

I love jinro as much as the next guy, and have been cheering for him the whole way, but am I the only one who thinks this? (flame shield up)

Its not an excuse lol, I just dont know what to do vs phoenixes, its not like I didnt try stuff in practice. Phoenix are currently not that popular, because the new maps let you 1gate nexus so damn safely, so most of my prep was focused on playing vs other openings.

On March 04 2011 13:25 lim1017 wrote:
Hongun opening was very risky jinro waited to long and the risk paid off

imo the correct responce was to go to 4-6 racks asap (instead of teching up) pull a few scvs and do a stim timing push.

Too easy to force field on xelnaga I think. Never been able to get this to work in practice vs good Ps, they always manage to FF stall until they have colossus.

On March 04 2011 14:04 Hider wrote:
Dont you think Jinro has practiced a lot against phoenixs, and probably alot against protoss genereally? And yet he cant beat them in a macro games (even though he has much better mechanics than a player like Hongun). The HT nerf will help but late game TvP is still pretty protoss favored.

I m worse vs phoenix than other units too tho.
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AWakefield
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada420 Posts
March 04 2011 07:43 GMT
#59
Man If I was that girl, i'd be upset about Jinro not writing down her number

I was really sad this morning when you lost, but I will be cheering for you next season (like always). Go go Jinro
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 07:47:40
March 04 2011 07:45 GMT
#60
On March 04 2011 16:43 AWakefield wrote:
Man If I was that girl, i'd be upset about Jinro not writing down her number

I was really sad this morning when you lost, but I will be cheering for you next season (like always). Go go Jinro

Apparently its saved on huks phone (I forgot my phone yesterday t.t), but honestly I dont even remember what they looked like...

I also only remember about half this interview, but I do remember there being A LOT more spelling errors than this. Hot_Bid did a good job lol

People saying to make a thor, sure vs mass phoenix thats nice. But a fast thor? Dont really know about that, its quite expensive.... Meh, maybe?
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Noob3rt
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada114 Posts
March 04 2011 07:47 GMT
#61
It was entertaining games, and great games to watch. I felt Ret had that Terran in the palm of his hand the entire game.

He'll do it next time. They all will.

Go Go oGsTL.
"What is life without happiness?"
proot
Profile Joined June 2004
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 07:51:48
March 04 2011 07:50 GMT
#62
I really don't think there will be a terran that'll pass through an upper round if they have to fight a protoss. It took a while, but protoss finally learned how to beat MM efficiently and just stall until their higher tech is out. Once they have full tech, there really is nothing stopping the protoss from taking the entire map.

GSL maps are too big to fight a standard tvp on. As sad as it is, close distances are where terran got most of their tvp wins, so it'll be interesting to see just how the winrate shifts over the coming months. I'm posting because I really feel Jinro lost to a far worse player than himself.
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Doof
Profile Joined October 2010
United States204 Posts
March 04 2011 07:51 GMT
#63
Poor Ret. Do you think he's gonna leave Korea now?
Every day should be a good day to die
TheDominator
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
New Zealand336 Posts
March 04 2011 07:52 GMT
#64
This is actually really depressing. Every foreigner kicked out so early...except for Huk.
Huk FIGHTING!!!
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Bloodash
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands1384 Posts
March 04 2011 08:00 GMT
#65
lets see that new coupe of jinro!
I'll bite this hand that feeds me, and take it for my own!
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
March 04 2011 08:08 GMT
#66
On March 04 2011 12:08 skrzmark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 12:06 Vorlik wrote:

They're faster than any Terran unit and they counter banshees and ravens. I just don't know what I'm supposed to do.


Vikings Jinro! Vikings!


Yeah or a thor just owns all phoenix and breaks force fields.

No, problem here is how Protoss use Phoenix. HongUn just make 4 of them(proxy btw) Its not worth to get a Thor just to deal with 4 Phoenix, You also need a higher number of viking to defeat Phoenix.
4 phoenix's harrass the hell out of early Terran play. Just a build SCV here and there, a lone marine etc...force turrent and early EB--->weaker economy.
The most important thing is Phoenix throw the Terran out of sync, very annoying. I think after this GSL Phoenix openning against Terran will get really popular.
Jinro, Ret, Huk, Haypro fighting !!!
Terran
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 04 2011 08:08 GMT
#67
strange there isnt a question about his mouse problems at all
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 04 2011 08:31 GMT
#68
On March 04 2011 17:08 Geo.Rion wrote:
strange there isnt a question about his mouse problems at all

It wasnt anything special, the USB plug had just been almost yanked out, just on accident while i was moving my mouse. So I just plugged it back in properly and it worked fine again.
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Sleeping Drone
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden38 Posts
March 04 2011 08:39 GMT
#69
Jinro, its totally awesome that you actually answer questions from the fans. Its stuff like this that makes Starcraft so much more interessting than "normal" sports.
Lambertus
Profile Joined February 2010
South Africa975 Posts
March 04 2011 08:44 GMT
#70
I'm really a bit sad that you're out, Jonathan! Hope you crush these guys next season!
But I registered, that here at the IEM the Korean-Toss are playing a lot Phoenix in early game and winning a lot. Would you say that this is a general problem at the moment? How to defend early pressure phoenix properly?

And also, guys who are complaining about Jinro not proparly playing. dont forget, it was proxy stargate scouted late...so difficult to adapt!
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JoeCrow
Profile Joined March 2010
United States167 Posts
March 04 2011 09:01 GMT
#71
On March 04 2011 13:58 danl9rm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 12:13 JoeCrow wrote:
Kinda dissappointed with Jinro's response. He lives in a house with some of the best protoss and a ton of talented people, but he has no idea what to do against a phoenix build? I feel like he has all of these resources to tap into and then turns around and says he had no game plan against a phonix build. A poor excuse imo.

I love jinro as much as the next guy, and have been cheering for him the whole way, but am I the only one who thinks this? (flame shield up)


Most people on these boards can't fathom the level that these guys are playing at. Their builds and strategies, for the most part, are not thrown together haphazardly. You can't just say, "he should've made a couple thors" because he has to fit them into his build, or have them as a planned response. If he didn't practice making thors, he better not make them in the tourney on the fly, that's a sure way to lose, and hate yourself for it later.

Also, the reason he doesn't know how to fight phoenixes is because he has the best toss(es) to play against. They know how to use them correctly, and Jinro knows what the phoenix is capable of.

I agree completely. Thats why I refrained from "durr just do this!". Also, I may just have a poor understanding of how the training process works. Hypothetically, if you know the phoenix build is coming, then there must be some counter opening that works decently against it right? I guess that if he did a build that prepared for phoenix, it would make him weak to other P builds.

MC or some other P on ogs-liquid could tell jinro what builds/tactics they have trouble against when they go phoenix against a T right?


On March 04 2011 16:36 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2011 12:13 JoeCrow wrote:
Kinda dissappointed with Jinro's response. He lives in a house with some of the best protoss and a ton of talented people, but he has no idea what to do against a phoenix build? I feel like he has all of these resources to tap into and then turns around and says he had no game plan against a phonix build. A poor excuse imo.

I love jinro as much as the next guy, and have been cheering for him the whole way, but am I the only one who thinks this? (flame shield up)

Its not an excuse lol, I just dont know what to do vs phoenixes, its not like I didnt try stuff in practice. Phoenix are currently not that popular, because the new maps let you 1gate nexus so damn safely, so most of my prep was focused on playing vs other openings.

Thanks for the response, and now I feel bad about how I worded my OP - sorry if I came off as rude. I wonder if we will see phoenix builds become more popular in the metagame. Looking forward to watching your future games and gl!
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
March 04 2011 09:09 GMT
#72
Good to know that Ret and moonglade were in code S...
ccHaZaRd
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada1024 Posts
March 04 2011 09:13 GMT
#73
you still had a really good performance jinro, protosses like hong un are really hard to practice against. You should start practicing mech again
SupremeMe
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden227 Posts
March 04 2011 10:05 GMT
#74
Ahh, I want the replay of Jinro's first match vs Hongun. Would love to get that BO!
Anyone got it or knows where to get it?
Distributor of pain - Your loss becomes my gain
rickybobby
Profile Joined October 2010
United States405 Posts
March 04 2011 10:17 GMT
#75
the moral of the interview is that tvp is really hard right now
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 04 2011 10:37 GMT
#76
The build I did is like the 2nd best build vs phoenix, the hardest counter is 1 rax cc no gas but you cant do that on Xel Naga.
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 10:42:52
March 04 2011 10:40 GMT
#77
I'm glad that I'm not the only one having trouble against phoenix openings. Also phoenix + collossus is damn hard to beat. You can't drop and there is a very small timing very early in the game where you can crush the protoss, but it's so small that you will miss it very easy.

It would be awesome if mech would work against protoss, but every good T knows that it's almost impossible, especially on those big maps. Biomech has three weaknesses: immobility, low tank count (tanks are only awesome when you hit a critical mass) and friendly fire from the tanks. So the only thing that's left is MMM + viking + ghosts and maybe some thors.

Good luck jinro! I hope you find a sollution!
VonDarkmore
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia192 Posts
March 04 2011 11:32 GMT
#78
Great games from every one of them Especially Jinro, It seemed as though Jinro and Ret had more skill in their games but a few minor things worked against them and slowly turned the tide, that happens to everyone now and then, Best of luck to all of them in the next GSL they will only get better and go further.
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
March 04 2011 12:11 GMT
#79
Question for jinro: how do you think terrans will do after 1) the stim nerf, 2) the bunker nerf, 3) the zealot buff
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
March 04 2011 12:13 GMT
#80
Really looking forward to what tactics u come up vs P, and seeing u win GSL in the future. U have great talent, and it's always a pleasure watching u play, even if i am not a terran fan.

Keep up the great job!
U MAD BRO?
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 04 2011 12:15 GMT
#81
Die to allins a lot more, but the HT nerf should make them win lategame way more than now.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
adalcim
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany166 Posts
March 04 2011 12:27 GMT
#82
Jinro should not shave his head!
Good luck next time!
FIRETRUCK
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden78 Posts
March 04 2011 12:52 GMT
#83
Didn't Ret say that he would leave Korea if he didn't do well in this GSL?
( ' .') ('<_' )
Xayoz
Profile Joined December 2010
Estonia373 Posts
March 04 2011 13:21 GMT
#84
People saying to make a thor, sure vs mass phoenix thats nice. But a fast thor? Dont really know about that, its quite expensive.... Meh, maybe?

I suggest to give it a try at least. I feel like it's a pretty solid and secure opening no mather what the protoss is going for.
Can hold of any kind of 1base push, punish the protoss for FEing and help you secure you own expansion.
Toss wont have anything to take down the repairing SCVs early on and a quick 250mm will make immortals a wasted investment.
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Kar98
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia924 Posts
March 04 2011 13:52 GMT
#85
I was so sad that Jinro didn't get into at least the RO4, although this entire GSL has been a massive amount of upsets . I love your mech play jinro and hope to see it in the future
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
March 04 2011 13:59 GMT
#86
Hey I noticed that Jinro is using the Starcraft 2 headset. Are those actually good?
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 14:27:08
March 04 2011 14:25 GMT
#87
They upgraded their booths, everything is new in there now including the Razer SC2 Headsets.
I had one, but it broke (not the headsets fault, I dropped it a few times too many, I have a tendency to get the cord stuck in my chair while playing and then it gets dragged to the floor when I get up).

Its not bad at all, but I prefer my old Siberians.

On March 04 2011 21:27 adalcim wrote:
Jinro should not shave his head!
Good luck next time!

Its not gonna be a full shave, but somethign like hmmmmmmmmmm........

This:
http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000o91a_E6AJaU/s/750/Gegard-Mousasi-047.JPG
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
SC2Chaos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 14:39:32
March 04 2011 14:38 GMT
#88
What headphones is Jinro wearing in the above pic? Woops sorry, Jinro answered in his above post ty.
ChApFoU
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
France2982 Posts
March 04 2011 14:42 GMT
#89
Good luck Jinro

I've stopped playing random 1v1 almost excusively because of TvP but my heart is with you :p
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper in a genius" Kang Min
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
March 04 2011 14:55 GMT
#90
I find it awesome in so many ways seeing so many Jinro posts here. Sorry about the loss, you will always be our champion Only really exciting thing left is code A now (for me atleast).
really?
pHelix Equilibria
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1134 Posts
March 04 2011 15:04 GMT
#91
Jinro. "How disappointed are you? About losing to HongUn, not the phone number." =).
Well I hope with your new hair cut and a refreshing start, better luck next time! So many foreigners out so soon.


distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
March 04 2011 15:29 GMT
#92
no threat? JULYZERG
This is my truth, tell me yours!
hidiliho
Profile Joined September 2004
Canada685 Posts
March 04 2011 15:45 GMT
#93
If you could do the series over what would you do differently?

I'd proxy barracks him. Because he's Protoss. True story.



Shows you the state of Protoss right now.
I have a dream, that some day I wouldn't see any imba comments in GSL threads.
WizShaw
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada107 Posts
March 04 2011 16:23 GMT
#94
Right now, the toss need an adjustment to reduce the threat of their composition. They will be winning well into the future is something is not tweaked. And finally the players are starting to speak up.
Never Rub Another mans Rhubarb
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 04 2011 17:31 GMT
#95
On March 05 2011 00:45 hidiliho wrote:
Show nested quote +
If you could do the series over what would you do differently?

I'd proxy barracks him. Because he's Protoss. True story.



Shows you the state of Protoss right now.

Mostly shows you the state of my inebriation at the time, really!
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Vitozerm
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-04 18:38:25
March 04 2011 18:35 GMT
#96
Ret doesnt look too good in the booth. Is he sick? or did the koreans go nuts with the makeup TT;;


btw i hope huk cannon rushes losira like he always does on stream:3
MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
March 04 2011 18:58 GMT
#97
I think the main weakness in Jinro's game was lack of beanie. Look forwards to someone trying quick pheonix next GSL and you killing it with something funs.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
March 04 2011 21:11 GMT
#98
I've broken every headset i've owned within a month. Cords get tangled, i sit on them, all sorts. Hate.
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
DyEnasTy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3714 Posts
March 04 2011 21:59 GMT
#99
On March 04 2011 23:25 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
They upgraded their booths, everything is new in there now including the Razer SC2 Headsets.
I had one, but it broke (not the headsets fault, I dropped it a few times too many, I have a tendency to get the cord stuck in my chair while playing and then it gets dragged to the floor when I get up).

Its not bad at all, but I prefer my old Siberians.




Nice. I just bought a pair of Siberians on newegg for like 35 dollars. So awesome. I do though have the SC2 Marauder Keyboard. I like it alot, but I wanted the Blackwidow ultimate.
Much better to die an awesome Terran than to live as a magic wielding fairy or a mindless sac of biological goop. -Manifesto7
McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
March 04 2011 22:10 GMT
#100
haha i love this interview. Jinro you're a good man and a great player. Looking forward to more code S play next season!
If you can chill. chill. - Liquid'Tyler
DBrave
Profile Joined December 2010
Serbia379 Posts
March 04 2011 22:28 GMT
#101
I don't know on what he wants to focus most, but I hope he can visit next MLG. That would be awesome !!
gg wp
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
March 04 2011 22:36 GMT
#102
I really didn't like that first match report, the Jinro vs HongUn one. I thought it was really bad.
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
March 04 2011 22:47 GMT
#103
jinro you're a fuckin boss. Look forward to seeing you next season
jaedong imba
nenKilla
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines13 Posts
March 04 2011 23:03 GMT
#104
How do you counter Phoenix anyway?
guess Jinro lacks practice.
bring e-sports here in the Philippines
proot
Profile Joined June 2004
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-05 02:04:25
March 05 2011 02:03 GMT
#105
On March 05 2011 08:03 nenKilla wrote:
How do you counter Phoenix anyway?
guess Jinro lacks practice.

At that high a level, you can't unless you get away with a 1 rax FE or a 15 cc unscathed, strats that are really specific to maps. I guess a blind thor tech could mitigate the damage, but then you're giving protoss free reign on the map.

Phoenixes with good control really aren't used as much as they should. I guess it's because most protoss players aren't very harass oriented, so they haven't practiced using them as much.
.
Space Invader
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia291 Posts
March 05 2011 06:21 GMT
#106
i thought ret was moving back to euro?
I may be of thome athithtanthe if there ith a thudden crithith!
nenKilla
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines13 Posts
March 05 2011 09:51 GMT
#107
On March 05 2011 11:03 proot wrote:
At that high a level, you can't unless you get away with a 1 rax FE or a 15 cc unscathed, strats that are really specific to maps. I guess a blind thor tech could mitigate the damage, but then you're giving protoss free reign on the map.

Phoenixes with good control really aren't used as much as they should. I guess it's because most protoss players aren't very harass oriented, so they haven't practiced using them as much.


How about early turrets?
bring e-sports here in the Philippines
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 05 2011 17:07 GMT
#108
Jinro...I know you have trouble vs. Toss, but imagine being a Zerg ^.^ It's not so bad.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Micromnky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States262 Posts
March 05 2011 17:36 GMT
#109
Jinro, you rock. Nuff said.

As for pheonix, maybe a ghost?...They need energy to lift, wouldn't an emp knock that out? I'd imagine working an early ghost in would be easier than thors or anything. Or I dunno. lol, just trying to help a little.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
March 05 2011 19:02 GMT
#110
i was surprised jinro did not practice any strats vs phoenixes if he did not know how to counter .. seems odd to me
samboi
Profile Joined December 2010
England69 Posts
March 05 2011 20:33 GMT
#111
Regardless ret is a beast and a trooper and i hope he carry's on showing this in the future.
GG
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
March 05 2011 20:56 GMT
#112
On March 06 2011 02:36 Micromnky wrote:
Jinro, you rock. Nuff said.

As for pheonix, maybe a ghost?...They need energy to lift, wouldn't an emp knock that out? I'd imagine working an early ghost in would be easier than thors or anything. Or I dunno. lol, just trying to help a little.


Hey, log on to bnet -- you make a ghost, i'll make 3 phoenixes and let's see what happens first: You emp all 3 of my phoenixes, or me lift your ghost and kill it.



phoenixes are crazy fast (hard to target), aren't limited by terrain (can enter your base from any direction), and ghosts are [most likely] stationary (easy to target).
Happiness only real when shared.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
March 05 2011 22:40 GMT
#113
On March 05 2011 18:51 nenKilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2011 11:03 proot wrote:
At that high a level, you can't unless you get away with a 1 rax FE or a 15 cc unscathed, strats that are really specific to maps. I guess a blind thor tech could mitigate the damage, but then you're giving protoss free reign on the map.

Phoenixes with good control really aren't used as much as they should. I guess it's because most protoss players aren't very harass oriented, so they haven't practiced using them as much.


How about early turrets?

yap, be like flash and turret up, dont know why people are ignoring turrets so much..
One ring, to rule them all!
Kappa09
Profile Joined January 2011
United States149 Posts
March 06 2011 08:49 GMT
#114
I was very sad to see Jinro lose, but I have to admit I was a bit nervous going into the match because I knew that TvP was Jinro's worst matchup. His win over MC last season was more due to the fact that Jinro tried something new that MC was not expecting and it caught him off guard and led to a victory.

I really hope that Jinro practices his TvP and hopefully becomes the GSL champion soon! Great interview!
Darkong
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
March 06 2011 12:37 GMT
#115
Sucks for Jinro but he'll come back from this.

Gotta agree that MC is gonna win the GSL, unless he makes a lot of mistake or maybe gets cheesed out I think he's gonna crush through. But with that said there's been a lot of surprises this season, so anything could happen, but he's easily the favourite to win now.
Trolling the Battle.Net forums, the most fun you can have with your pants on.
Veasel
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden159 Posts
March 06 2011 16:02 GMT
#116
Ye the TvP Matchup is retarded atm i'd say. Even the best MvP struggling a bit with it haha :D
Rest in Piece
lim1017
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1278 Posts
March 06 2011 19:15 GMT
#117
bit of a slow responce but..

On March 04 2011 13:25 lim1017 wrote:
Hongun opening was very risky jinro waited to long and the risk paid off

imo the correct responce was to go to 4-6 racks asap (instead of teching up) pull a few scvs and do a stim timing push.


On March 04 2011 16:45 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Too easy to force field on xelnaga I think. Never been able to get this to work in practice vs good Ps, they always manage to FF stall until they have colossus.


I think the difference here is that Hongun opened proxy stargate and built like 4 pheonixes? thats 550 gas NOT spent on sentries. In addition he rushed colossus right after.. Thats insanely gas heavy. FF may be amzing but he has like 5 sentries less then a normal FE build, And people still pressure into those

The bottom line is that i think you waited to long to push and missed your timing. by the time you pushed i believe he was setting up his 3rd. Meaning his risky expo/tech had already paid off. If 5 racks stim bio push would be to easily FF maybe the correct responce was to tech instantly to medivacs and start droping and pushing? Sentries are incredibly weak when the main army is split up. Not sure if this timing would have come before colossus though.. if not i stand by the stim scv push..
Tektos
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1321 Posts
March 07 2011 04:16 GMT
#118
How fast can one rush a battle cruiser versus phoenix? lol
theboats
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1 Post
March 07 2011 05:33 GMT
#119
Surprised nobody has mentioned ravens / point-defence drone. Obviously not for the early rush but in the late game it would seem a good counter to a phoenix assisted death ball.
[Executor]
Profile Joined December 2010
Costa Rica35 Posts
March 07 2011 17:12 GMT
#120
Jinro such a baller... :D
FOR AIUR!
Kallen
Profile Joined December 2010
United States48 Posts
March 08 2011 08:27 GMT
#121
I love Jinro even more now that I see how unbearably patient he is with his fans. To be the most successful foreigner, and yet still patiently talking to his fans that are trying to give "HIM" advice on how to play Starcraft 2? I have to admit though that most of the advice is given from people who genuinely want to help. This man is a more that just a SC2 player, he is an example of what it means to be a good kindhearted person. I just hope that everyone else sees that.
IMmVP
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
March 08 2011 17:36 GMT
#122
On March 07 2011 14:33 theboats wrote:
Surprised nobody has mentioned ravens / point-defence drone. Obviously not for the early rush but in the late game it would seem a good counter to a phoenix assisted death ball.

Actually, you dont want to make ravens vs phoenix. First of all, they die too easily to phoenix (gonna get 1 shotted withoput a PDD there if he has but a handful), secondly the phoenix shoot so fast the PDDs mana is almost instantly drained.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
March 08 2011 18:28 GMT
#123
This has been said a million times already but Jinro, you are by far the most awesome Sc2 player atm! Not only are you Swedish(Yes this makes you even more awesome ofc) but you are a complete baller. You dont give up, you dont make excuses and you keep communicating with the fans. More sportsmen in all sports should take notes from you.

Also, I thinka shaved head would make you even more intimidating! ^^


Also, damnit I want Moonglade to make it over in Korea! He seems like such a nice guy and he does have some fun play. But I guess he has only been in Korea not so long as of yet?
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