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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
May 31 2010 04:01 GMT
#201
On May 31 2010 09:07 ret wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 06:57 RoMarX wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






this. because of the easier engine in sc2, strategy > mechanical monkeys. and thats great.




actually in theory it sucks because it turns the game into a guessing game since scouting is almost impossible early

great risks will pay off because they cant be battled with great mechanics

rock paper scissors build order picks


I like your analysis ret. I guess we'll find out what happens when the major korean "mechanical monkey's" as people so disparagingly call high-apm players like Lee Young Ho and Lee Jae Dong transition to sc2.
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Therapist
Profile Joined April 2010
United States97 Posts
May 31 2010 04:03 GMT
#202
Jeez so many things different events going on some people don't have time to watch them live. How hard is it to upload videos after casting ... just a few clicks and afk?
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
May 31 2010 04:13 GMT
#203
On May 31 2010 13:03 Therapist wrote:
Jeez so many things different events going on some people don't have time to watch them live. How hard is it to upload videos after casting ... just a few clicks and afk?


zatic does a heap for the community without any reward other than our gratitude. Also, he has a life outside of this site, as awesome as it is. Be patient
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caldazar
Profile Joined April 2010
United States38 Posts
May 31 2010 05:40 GMT
#204
I don't see how we can definitively say SC2 is mechanically easier until lots of players with pro-level mechanics play the game. Intuitively it makes great sense that mechanics are less important in SC2, because so many basic tasks require much lower APM. But as the metagame evolves, people learn the fundamentals, and competitive, talented players try to gain an edge over each other, I don't see why extra uses for that APM won't be found. I see the easier mechanics as freeing up a pool of APM that could perhaps be used on something else.
Smu
Profile Joined July 2009
Serbia164 Posts
May 31 2010 11:01 GMT
#205
Mechanics are once again going to be the overall game decider (along with ability to handle psychological pressure in competitions) for StarCraft 2 since mechanics have no skill cap - you can never be too fast or too good at multitasking. Other concepts like strategy, timing etc are not as hard to get a grasp of. It's the top quality of mechanics and steel cold nerves that made StarCraft's best players, and SC2 is not that much a different game.
Take us into orbit Mr. Malmsteen. We've seen enough.
towerranger
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria134 Posts
May 31 2010 11:51 GMT
#206
god i would kill for the vods to be up today :/
yann
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
119 Posts
May 31 2010 12:56 GMT
#207
On May 31 2010 20:51 towerranger wrote:
god i would kill for the vods to be up today :/



seconded!!! geeeez, chrono the vods guys
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
May 31 2010 15:21 GMT
#208
Still waiting for the vods I can't wait to see them
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RoMarX
Profile Joined April 2010
Argentina189 Posts
May 31 2010 16:23 GMT
#209
On May 31 2010 09:07 ret wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 06:57 RoMarX wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






this. because of the easier engine in sc2, strategy > mechanical monkeys. and thats great.




actually in theory it sucks because it turns the game into a guessing game since scouting is almost impossible early

great risks will pay off because they cant be battled with great mechanics

rock paper scissors build order picks


im not sure what you mean with rock paper scissors but i dont think this is a game where the luck is involved, but anyways the game wasnt even released and then with the patches, fixes, etc the gameplay will improve a lot.
Hellooo!!!!!!!
zenato
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden15 Posts
May 31 2010 16:30 GMT
#210
On May 31 2010 13:01 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 09:07 ret wrote:
On May 31 2010 06:57 RoMarX wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






this. because of the easier engine in sc2, strategy > mechanical monkeys. and thats great.




actually in theory it sucks because it turns the game into a guessing game since scouting is almost impossible early

great risks will pay off because they cant be battled with great mechanics

rock paper scissors build order picks


I like your analysis ret. I guess we'll find out what happens when the major korean "mechanical monkey's" as people so disparagingly call high-apm players like Lee Young Ho and Lee Jae Dong transition to sc2.


"Young Ho" is obviously a great name. Jay-Z would agree.
young people need church like a hole in the head
Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
May 31 2010 16:55 GMT
#211
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






My evidence would be that Ret and Idra were absolutely dominated at Blizzcon by Korean pros, who still train to play BW not SC2. That pretty much is as real as it gets.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
rAize
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany135 Posts
May 31 2010 17:01 GMT
#212
Vods are comming a bit late these days
"You may only set your birthday once, so make sure it's correct!"
rAize
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany135 Posts
May 31 2010 17:43 GMT
#213
On June 01 2010 01:23 RoMarX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2010 09:07 ret wrote:
On May 31 2010 06:57 RoMarX wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






this. because of the easier engine in sc2, strategy > mechanical monkeys. and thats great.




actually in theory it sucks because it turns the game into a guessing game since scouting is almost impossible early

great risks will pay off because they cant be battled with great mechanics

rock paper scissors build order picks


im not sure what you mean with rock paper scissors but i dont think this is a game where the luck is involved, but anyways the game wasnt even released and then with the patches, fixes, etc the gameplay will improve a lot.


Luck is of course in sc2? If someone else mismicro's whats that? luck for you.
If someone does a build that is gonna be owned by you, while no one knew, its luck.

Many games are so interessting because lil luck and bad luck happens here and there and can mix things up a bit like spotting a huge drop while you didnt intent to spot anything...
"You may only set your birthday once, so make sure it's correct!"
Boonesbane
Profile Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
May 31 2010 21:38 GMT
#214
Does anyone know when the VODs are going up and where to find them?
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Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
1237 Posts
May 31 2010 22:56 GMT
#215
On June 01 2010 01:55 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






My evidence would be that Ret and Idra were absolutely dominated at Blizzcon by Korean pros, who still train to play BW not SC2. That pretty much is as real as it gets.



So your evidence is some matches from when no one had even played the game yet, and your examples include losses by someone who doesn't practice any more and someone who is actually known for his mechanical play rather than his tactics. Ok. Cool.

Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-01 00:07:07
June 01 2010 00:05 GMT
#216
On June 01 2010 07:56 Wargizmo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 01:55 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






My evidence would be that Ret and Idra were absolutely dominated at Blizzcon by Korean pros, who still train to play BW not SC2. That pretty much is as real as it gets.



So your evidence is some matches from when no one had even played the game yet, and your examples include losses by someone who doesn't practice any more and someone who is actually known for his mechanical play rather than his tactics. Ok. Cool.




Its certainly more evidence than wishing that korean pros wont be the best players in the world because the game is "less mechinical and more tactical" for some delusional sense of hope that NA/Euros can compete. Nony was great at SC1, and is great at SC2, so why would Pros be any different? to think that Korean pros wont be able to play SC2 as the best players in the world because the game is less "mechanical" is naive. No need to get butthurt over it.

Not that im saying that NA/Euros wont be able to compete, but I am saying Korean pro's when they make the switch will in all likelyhood be dominating the scene.
"losers always whine about their best, Winners go home and fuck the prom queen"
Wargizmo
Profile Joined March 2010
1237 Posts
June 01 2010 00:55 GMT
#217
On June 01 2010 09:05 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 07:56 Wargizmo wrote:
On June 01 2010 01:55 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






My evidence would be that Ret and Idra were absolutely dominated at Blizzcon by Korean pros, who still train to play BW not SC2. That pretty much is as real as it gets.



So your evidence is some matches from when no one had even played the game yet, and your examples include losses by someone who doesn't practice any more and someone who is actually known for his mechanical play rather than his tactics. Ok. Cool.




Its certainly more evidence than wishing that korean pros wont be the best players in the world because the game is "less mechinical and more tactical" for some delusional sense of hope that NA/Euros can compete. Nony was great at SC1, and is great at SC2, so why would Pros be any different? to think that Korean pros wont be able to play SC2 as the best players in the world because the game is less "mechanical" is naive. No need to get butthurt over it.

Not that im saying that NA/Euros wont be able to compete, but I am saying Korean pro's when they make the switch will in all likelyhood be dominating the scene.


Where did I say Koreans weren't going to do well? My entire point was that you'll probably see older players doing better. Tester is Korean after all.


Smu
Profile Joined July 2009
Serbia164 Posts
June 01 2010 01:50 GMT
#218
Imo actually, once a scene develops and stuff like build orders settle down a bit, we will see younger players take over again.
Take us into orbit Mr. Malmsteen. We've seen enough.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
June 01 2010 01:53 GMT
#219
Will vods be up by June 2nd?
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urashimakt
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1591 Posts
June 01 2010 04:55 GMT
#220
On June 01 2010 09:05 Darpa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2010 07:56 Wargizmo wrote:
On June 01 2010 01:55 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:44 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:28 Darpa wrote:
On May 30 2010 08:15 Wargizmo wrote:
On May 30 2010 07:57 hacpee wrote:
I don't know if I said it in this thread but I'll say it again. Tester is the first SC2 player I enjoy watching. His mistakes were minimal and his multitasking was good. If a washed out x-progamer like tester can do this with SCII, imagine what Flash can do with it.


Or maybe because SC2 has less mechanical requirements the older players actually have an advantage over the 16 year olds and we'll see the old 'washed up' players doing better than the current SC1 pros. We don't know.



thats a pretty naive opinion if you ask me. The current pros are no where near the caliber of those players, they could pick up SC2 for 2 days and be better.


According to you, with no evidence. Your opinion is just as naive as mine is.

In my opinion we'll see more strategic geniuses (like Tester, who is a coach) and less 15 year old mechanical monkeys doing well in SC2 because it's a slower paced game with less mechanical requirements. Sounds like a logical argument to me.






My evidence would be that Ret and Idra were absolutely dominated at Blizzcon by Korean pros, who still train to play BW not SC2. That pretty much is as real as it gets.



So your evidence is some matches from when no one had even played the game yet, and your examples include losses by someone who doesn't practice any more and someone who is actually known for his mechanical play rather than his tactics. Ok. Cool.




Its certainly more evidence than wishing that korean pros wont be the best players in the world because the game is "less mechinical and more tactical" for some delusional sense of hope that NA/Euros can compete. Nony was great at SC1, and is great at SC2, so why would Pros be any different? to think that Korean pros wont be able to play SC2 as the best players in the world because the game is less "mechanical" is naive. No need to get butthurt over it.

Not that im saying that NA/Euros wont be able to compete, but I am saying Korean pro's when they make the switch will in all likelyhood be dominating the scene.


Your logic, it is flawed! Koreans aren't and won't be the best in the world because they have a knack for "mechanics", they were and are the best in the world at SC:BW specifically because they played the game day and night in living conditions similar to labor mills, whereas other countries haven't been plagued by this problem. If some organization akin to KeSPA were able to transition the pro players to SC2, they'd probably dominate that pretty soon as well. Until then, the people playing under sane conditions will be the best at SC2.
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